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Radeon RX Vega to be Air and Liquid Cooled - XL XT and XTX models
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Default Radeon RX Vega to be Air and Liquid Cooled - XL XT and XTX models - 07-17-2017, 07:52 | posts: 29,207 | Location: Guru3D testlab

So the title it actually nothing new, everybody knows that*Radeon RX Vega will see air and liquid cooled parts, but over the weekend some new data surfaced on the web, detailing the different SKUs a...

Radeon RX Vega to be Air and Liquid Cooled - XL XT and XTX models
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 09:11 | posts: 13,129 | Location: Sweden

So XT and XTX remains reference and the XL is the one getting third party designs but it will be a bit cut down (Unless it can be re-activated again.) with possibly different memory amounts as well, interesting.

Basically a improved Fury then, voltage or power limitations might lower the max attainable clock speeds though on all but the water cooled edition but even that might require some tweaking. (Increasing voltage wasn't all that effective on the Fury after a certain point though.)


EDIT: Will be interesting to see what the reviews for these will be, will also be fun to read what overclockers might try with them and if they can be modified at all when it comes to things like bios editing and what not.

The XL and the XT are probably going to be throttled by the reduced power configuration compared to the XTX but by how much and how that will hit performance remains to be seen. (And how the cuts to the XL compare to the XT in terms of performance.)

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Default 07-17-2017, 09:49 | posts: 468

Hopefully the XT and XTX variants will be physically identical, apart from the coolers.
that way if there is any BIOS limitations, it should be possible to flash an XT into an XTX (and slap a Waterblock on it )
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 09:59 | posts: 906 | Location: Stockholm, Sweden

How come AMD always insist on putting liquid cooling on their high powered frying pans?
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 10:35 | posts: 105

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How come AMD always insist on putting liquid cooling on their high powered frying pans?
Because they apparently can't make an air cooler powerful enough to run their power hungry cards without cutting them down.

Having two designs like this with different power and therefore performance profiles was always kinda dumb.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 10:55 | posts: 718 | Location: Cluj-Napoca, Romania

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Because they apparently can't make an air cooler powerful enough to run their power hungry cards without cutting them down.

Having two designs like this with different power and therefore performance profiles was always kinda dumb.
Like Nvidia's reference coolers are any less sh1t. Almost all reference coolers are garbage.
Nvidia's were especially bad during the Fermi period while AMD's during the 200 series. Hence the Thermi and 290x airplane/fryingpan/whatever jokes.

The only actually good one was the cooler on the Fury X, but you could say that it's technically not reference since it wasn't AMD who designed it.

Realistically, you usually get reference if you intend to watercool. AMD putting a watercooler on their high-end is a smart move, it saves you the trouble and you should pay less overall since they already have a contract with the cooling company, so they buy in bulk.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 11:18 | posts: 308

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How come AMD always insist on putting liquid cooling on their high powered frying pans?
Its not like using liquid cooling is a bad thing. The most advanced computers are liquid cooled.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 11:52 | posts: 1,233

Cannot wait to see the performance of the XTX vs 1080Ti, both OC'ed to the max stable clocks in 4K. That is where these will shine.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 12:27 | posts: 8,293 | Location: FLA,USA

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Like Nvidia's reference coolers are any less sh1t. Almost all reference coolers are garbage.
Nvidia's were especially bad during the Fermi period while AMD's during the 200 series. Hence the Thermi and 290x airplane/fryingpan/whatever jokes.

The only actually good one was the cooler on the Fury X, but you could say that it's technically not reference since it wasn't AMD who designed it.

Realistically, you usually get reference if you intend to watercool. AMD putting a watercooler on their high-end is a smart move, it saves you the trouble and you should pay less overall since they already have a contract with the cooling company, so they buy in bulk.
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Its not like using liquid cooling is a bad thing. The most advanced computers are liquid cooled.
They better improve VRM cooling this time around. FuryX had horrid VRM cooling when compared to GPU cooling.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 12:32 | posts: 574 | Location: Moscow, Russia

Well, at least some dumb AMD fanboys can't now deny 300W usage.

Still don't expect miracles from these cards, too hot, to hungry, requires HBM2.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 12:50 | posts: 308

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They better improve VRM cooling this time around. FuryX had horrid VRM cooling when compared to GPU cooling.
I was speaking generally about liquid cooling.

Tbh i dont really know of many consumer GPUs that have excellent VRM cooling. It usually seems like an afterthought in most designs, despite it being a common point of failure.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 13:03 | posts: 8,293 | Location: FLA,USA

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I was speaking generally about liquid cooling.

Tbh i dont really know of many consumer GPUs that have excellent VRM cooling. It usually seems like an afterthought in most designs, despite it being a common point of failure.
Yeah, it just annoyed me on the FuryX seeing how compact the whole PCB was it would have been nice had the water block covered the VRM not just stick a pipe over it with some thermal tape (honestly passive cooling may have worked better.)
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 13:59 | posts: 468

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Yeah, it just annoyed me on the FuryX seeing how compact the whole PCB was it would have been nice had the water block covered the VRM not just stick a pipe over it with some thermal tape (honestly passive cooling may have worked better.)
I thought the Fury X had a heatpipe over the VRM's that connected to the Waterblock ? It should have been pretty cool, I would have thought...
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 14:18 | posts: 1,836 | Location: Canada

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Well, at least some dumb AMD fanboys can't now deny 300W usage.

Still don't expect miracles from these cards, too hot, to hungry, requires HBM2.

Well thank god my GTX 1080TI only runs at 278 watts undervolted,and not frigging 300 watts I would never buy that card.

   
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All of these crybabies crying about TDP.

We are enthusiast, not green power users..

Crying about the power usuage of a gpu, but many of you have a heavily overclocked CPU. Yes while the power usuage is lower on a cpu, i find it hilarious irony.


And the Fury X had a heatpipe over the VRM that was part of the AIO.
There was no VRM issues on the Fury X. I had one.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 14:42 | posts: 1,896 | Location: Mars

Having high TDP is bad but not a deal breaker, at least for me. What really matters are the performance and the price of those things.

Also i really dislike the naming of them, what the hell are XL, TX and XTX supposed to mean??? Was somebody from AMD marketing watching a porn flick and thought those names are cool?...
   
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Also i really dislike the naming of them, what the hell are XL, TX and XTX supposed to mean??? Was somebody from AMD marketing watching a porn flick and thought those names are cool?...
It's a throwback from the original naming convention used by ATi, XTX being the top tier model, followed by XT and the XL being the value version of the top card.

Remember the 9800XT? X800XT or X800XL? Or the X1950XTX etc.
   
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I thought the Fury X had a heatpipe over the VRM's that connected to the Waterblock ? It should have been pretty cool, I would have thought...
Because it was just the return pipe from the water block flattened on one side and taped to the VRM's the water was moving over it too fast to do any real heat transfer. VRM temps where reported in the 90's at default in some reviews. While that is within safe temperatures for the VRM it does seem very high for a water cooled card. In fact most AIO cooled hybrid cards with a blower fan going across the VRM's do good as well.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 14:58 | posts: 11,488 | Location: UK

Lets just hope the AIO doesn't suffer from the whine the Fury X one suffered from, as everyone will be going for that, instead of the one with that crappy FE blower cooler on it
   
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Lets just hope the AIO doesn't suffer from the whine the Fury X one suffered from, as everyone will be going for that, instead of the one with that crappy FE blower cooler on it
I'd go for the blower cooler and slap a full cover on it personally.

BTW what happened to that nice small PCB that Fiji had. This card is as big as a GP102.
   
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All of these crybabies crying about TDP.

We are enthusiast, not green power users..

Crying about the power usuage of a gpu, but many of you have a heavily overclocked CPU. Yes while the power usuage is lower on a cpu, i find it hilarious irony.


And the Fury X had a heatpipe over the VRM that was part of the AIO.
There was no VRM issues on the Fury X. I had one.
The power usage is important when in context to the rest of the chip. If RX Vega performs 20-30% faster than 1080Ti across the board, I don't think anyone would care about the power usage. But so far all FE testing indicates Vega will perform roughly between a 1070/1080 and using almost double the power to get that. And what's even more troubling is that Nvidia claims Volta is getting an additional 50% perf/w increase. Which means a GV104 with the same specs as a 1080 would be like 120w, vs the 350w of the Vega FE WC that only hits 1080 performance in like 1-2 games.

And I get obviously that a lot of this is subject to change with driver updates, bios changes, potential hardware changes with RX Vega - but so far it doesn't look good for the architecture. It also doesn't look good for AMD's margins - having to drop a liquid cooler onto a card you can only sell for ~$500 at the most while also having more expensive HBM2, definitely isn't ideal.
   
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It's a throwback from the original naming convention used by ATi, XTX being the top tier model, followed by XT and the XL being the value version of the top card.

Remember the 9800XT? X800XT or X800XL? Or the X1950XTX etc.
Youre right! I completely forgot about them... Feel free to mock me for this stupid mistake... Still i dislike the naming scheme and i wish they used something better.
Also if they are found of the past, them bring back the ATI name instead of AMD graphics...
   
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Because it was just the return pipe from the water block flattened on one side and taped to the VRM's the water was moving over it too fast to do any real heat transfer. VRM temps where reported in the 90's at default in some reviews. While that is within safe temperatures for the VRM it does seem very high for a water cooled card. In fact most AIO cooled hybrid cards with a blower fan going across the VRM's do good as well.
OK, I am now going back to elementary to see why I do not think that this statement is from our universe.

And just fyi, there wes report claiming that liquid itself reached 100 degrees Celsius. IIRC we laughed at that too.
   
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Well thank god my GTX 1080TI only runs at 278 watts undervolted,and not frigging 300 watts I would never buy that card.
I don't think anyone really cares about power usage alone.

If it uses more power than Ti but is significantly slower, that's the issue.

Poor perf/watt
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 15:20 | posts: 7,121

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It's a throwback from the original naming convention used by ATi, XTX being the top tier model, followed by XT and the XL being the value version of the top card.

Remember the 9800XT? X800XT or X800XL? Or the X1950XTX etc.
Yep, some of these were kings of the hill, where Nvidias own flagships could not touch (9800XT and x1950XTX). I can understand AMD trying to recapture the old ATI glory days with the new naming scheme.
   
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