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AMD To Show Radeon RX VEGA at Computex - But no availability
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Default AMD To Show Radeon RX VEGA at Computex - But no availability - 05-19-2017, 06:56 | posts: 28,663 | Location: Guru3D testlab

In a post on reddit AMDs Raja Koduri made an interesting comment, well multiple interesting comments really. AMD will show Radeon RX VEGA for consumers at Computex, but there will be no availability...

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Default 05-19-2017, 07:36 | posts: 2,682 | Location: Ibaraki, Japan

tltr; "Suddenly, GPUs are difficult. Giff time."


   
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Default 05-19-2017, 08:11 | posts: 655 | Location: Finland

I guess they are too polite to say directly that Hynix is too incompetent to get the HBM2 production working properly.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 10:29 | posts: 2,636 | Location: Netherlands

Looks more like they're trying to close the deal on that IKEA endorsement...
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 11:04 | posts: 7,058

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Developing products with billions of transistors and forward-thinking architecture is extremely difficult -- but extremely rewarding -- work. And some of Vega’s features, like our High Bandwidth Cache Controller, HBM2, Rapid-Packed Math, or the new geometry pipeline, have the potential to really break new ground and fundamentally improve game development. These aren’t things that can be mastered overnight. It takes time for developers to adapt and adopt new techniques that make your gaming experience better than ever. We believe those experiences are worth waiting for and shouldn’t be rushed out the door. We’re working as hard as we can to bring you Radeon RX Vega.
Other than terms like "extremely difficult - but "extremely rewarding" to justify the delay and worth the wait message, have a feeling this will be another 'product for the future'. The game devs may need time to showcase Vegas fuller potential. So if initial benches are not too exciting, it will then be another AMD product you ought to buy for the future.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 11:31 | posts: 691 | Location: Out There!

just seems to me HBM2 is being more than a little awkward to produce and what little of it is available is being put on high margin low volume GFx cards of both NVidia and AMD for the professional segment.

After all trying to launch before supplies are sorted out properly to the gaming market will just get them a tonne of flack due to lack of availability and damage their public perception Far more than launching later.

I'm not honestly in much of a rush due to currently playing older games mostly, but still excited for the launch when it finally arrives.
At least it is starting to sound like it really can be faster than the 1080Ti, looking forward to that upgrade after so long. Fury is not so great with more demanding/newer titles at 4k....
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 12:16 | posts: 3,444 | Location: Imagine...

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Other than terms like "extremely difficult - but "extremely rewarding" to justify the delay and worth the wait message, have a feeling this will be another 'product for the future'. The game devs may need time to showcase Vegas fuller potential. So if initial benches are not too exciting, it will then be another AMD product you ought to buy for the future.
I agree, this look bad even at hype stage.A déjà vu.

If AMD advantage in DX12 is not enough to make their GPUs more appealing for customers: Real game performance AT LAUNCH,not marketing BS, slideshows or next years performance against TODAY competition...

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It takes time for developers to adapt and adopt new techniques that make your gaming experience better than ever.
...Devs are not going to make a special ACTIVE effort to support the GPUs with less market share if that means GPUs with more market share lost optimization.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 13:54 | posts: 71 | Location: UK

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...Devs are not going to make a special ACTIVE effort to support the GPUs with less market share if that means GPUs with more market share lost optimization.
It shouldn't be much longer. I reckon the ball will start rolling when MS Scorpio drops. Devs just need a more platforms to develop games with DX12 or a variant of it.

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Default 05-19-2017, 14:22 | posts: 6,618

It's already rolling. Vega will be even more efficient with triangle throughput and graphics bottleneck, so things will be much better from the get go. I still bet it will take them a bit of time to tweak this (as it should be expected actually).
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 14:25 | posts: 71 | Location: UK

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It's already rolling. Vega will be even more efficient with triangle throughput and graphics bottleneck, so things will be much better from the get go. I still bet it will take them a bit of time to tweak this (as it should be expected actually).
".....have the potential to really break new ground and fundamentally improve game development."

This doesn't sound like the ball is rolling yet
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 15:00 | posts: 148 | Location: South Africa

All of a sudden it feels like Rx Vega is standing on our doorsteps and about to knock the door off.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 15:15 | posts: 7

I can wait and it'll be worth it. My 2 Furys can rip through every game that's been made so far at 4k 60+fps so there's no rush for me.
   
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I can wait and it'll be worth it. My 2 Furys can rip through every game that's been made so far at 4k 60+fps.
Your two fury's can hit 4K 60FPS in every single game that's been made? You must have magical furies sent by some alien civilization.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 15:24 | posts: 6,618

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Other than terms like "extremely difficult - but "extremely rewarding" to justify the delay and worth the wait message, have a feeling this will be another 'product for the future'. The game devs may need time to showcase Vegas fuller potential. So if initial benches are not too exciting, it will then be another AMD product you ought to buy for the future.
I know that I don't reflect most people here, and I understand them, but if I get a Vega part and I manage to keep it five years like I've kept my Tahiti I will be extremely happy.

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".....have the potential to really break new ground and fundamentally improve game development."

This doesn't sound like the ball is rolling yet
The first mainstream console to have parts of Vega will appear around November. This is essentially the same time windows as Tahiti had with the PS4.
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 15:56 | posts: 5 | Location: East coast USA

Anyone else spot the intel sticker in the test bench photo, always funny
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 16:07 | posts: 5,236 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

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I guess they are too polite to say directly that Hynix is too incompetent to get the HBM2 production working properly.
I think that Vega has sufficient compute performance to be released in profi market.

But driver for Gaming still needs work to use properly all new features, and AMD does not want to have another Borked Gaming launch.
GCN 1.0 got like 15% performance boost within 1 month.
GCN 1.1 got 10% within 1 month.
GCN 1.2 got even 30% in some games, and it tool like 3 months.
As for Polaris initial hickup, I really do not know, but pattern of new stuff and need to do driver work...
   
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Default 05-19-2017, 16:08 | posts: 291

Apparently Asus will be showing off a Ryzen+Vega Rog laptop at Computex.
Really interested in these Ryzen laptops.

Edit: Hype link
http://www.techspot.com/news/69385-a...en-laptop.html

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Apparently Asus will be showing off a Ryzen+Vega Rog laptop at Computex.
Really interested in these Ryzen laptops.
I hope it is Ryzen APU and it has 12~13.3" screen
   
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Your two fury's can hit 4K 60FPS in every single game that's been made? You must have magical furies sent by some alien civilization.
Maybe he has 2 furries.

   
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I hope it is Ryzen APU and it has 12~13.3" screen
+1 and can last for more than 30 minutes on battery.
   
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Totally BS from AMD side. They just like hold customers, to keep waiting on their product, not buy other.
Fury X was "unpolished" as well as Ryzen is, and most of thier products are.
ohh dear.. I don't buy this marketing BS.
   
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if I get a Vega part and I manage to keep it five years like I've kept my Tahiti I will be extremely happy.
I don't really count having to bake your card to keep using it as a positive tbh and certainly not as part of 5yrs of use. How long did it last before it broke the first time? That's actually how long it lasted you.
   
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I don't really count having to bake your card to keep using it as a positive tbh and certainly not as part of 5yrs of use. How long did it last before it broke the first time? That's actually how long it lasted you.
I baked my card because Sapphire did a sh*tty job soldering. I know two people with even older cards from Sapphire and other brands that still work fine. Hell, my backup card is a GeForce 7900GT which is ten years old. The only thing I need to do is to make sure that I get a card with a proper warranty.
   
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I baked my card because Sapphire did a sh*tty job soldering. I know two people with even older cards from Sapphire and other brands that still work fine. Hell, my backup card is a GeForce 7900GT which is ten years old. The only thing I need to do is to make sure that I get a card with a proper warranty.
Mine was 1st batch of reference ones and soon after I modded hell out of it.
Wife of my cousin is still playing on it like it was new and no problems.
But I really tend to do overkill cooling stuff.
   
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