No Optimization for Kepler (GTX780 - GTX780TI - TITAN etc. ) Banchmarks inside !

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  1. bigosik

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    SAD, the TITAN/780/780TI were so expensive and now the cheap GTX970 is faster.

    PROJECT CARS

    Link :

    http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/project-cars-guide-grafikkarte-prozessor-vergleich/2/
    Link :

    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Project-CARS-PC-238576/Specials/Benchmark-Test-1158026/

    No optimization for Kepler since Maxwell release, thx !


    ...gtx970 way faster than GTX780 TI !?! Laughable, sry.
    Everybody knows that GTX780TI is a way more powerful card than GTX970


    GTA5


    Link:


    http://www.pcgameshardware.de/GTA-5...219948/Tests/GTA-5-PC-Test-Benchmark-1156215/

    Link :
    http://www.computerbase.de/2015-04/...ozessoren-und-kantenglaettung-im-vergleich/2/

    I can post many many other examples. Not nice NV.
    Project Cars runs horrible on my GTX780
    ...i need to reduce so many details.:puke2:

    Sry for my english.
     
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    skacikpl Maha Guru

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    Well, it was to be expected TBH.
    What would be their benefit if they wouldn't keep pushing people to buy newer cards, regardless of their pure horsepower.
     
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    There is some truth to this.
    Of course NV would focus on their latest products, but the problem here is that the previous gen is still very capable.
     
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    I think it is more a case when new chips come out, for first yr or so they are able to optimize on the new HW driver wise, so you see good improvement over first yr or so but as HW gets older there not much they can improve .
    So with older HW when next gen gets released it always looks like that .

    If newer HW wasn't better no one would buy it , so a mid to high level card is as fast as last gen highest tier card .

    Yes, you need broad range of test games to get good avg improvement % .
     
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    Goodwill. Kepler users won't be eager to buy a new Nvidia card if they know that Nvidia stops optimizing for its older architectures as soon as its latest architecture is released.

    Kepler is also supposedly similar to Fermi, so some optimizations can supposedly carry over even to those GPUs.
     
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    and maxwell is like 8 months now, so their lifetime is ending now and 980ti is coming so prepare for new cards, everything past 6 months is old in PC realms, gg everyone
     
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    Titan has cost over 1200€ and the card isnt very old.:mad:

    More opimization for Kepler GPU´S in upcoming games please.
     

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    OTOH you could look at this as Maxwell cards not being fully optimized at launch

    You don't really expect that they can extract as much improvements from old arch, as from new one
     
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    He has a point, new architectures are never fully optimized at launch and older hardware usually is by the time new hardware comes along.
    There'll still be optimisations carried over, just not as great.
     
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    AMDs next generation are for the most part rebrands.
    Maxwell is not a Rebrand, completely new !

    I think the 290 will destroy the GTX780ti in almost every game 2016 if
    nv optimized only maxwell.
    That's my concern :look:


    ....and yes GTX780Ti is faster than 290 generally, at least at the moment.


    Sry for my english guys.
     
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    900€ for 780Ti?
    What about those who payed 1000€ for 290/X during mining craze? and what budget has anything to do with the reality?

    You can't extract as much from old arch as you can from the new one.
    That's a fact, not an opinion.
    I don't care about (buyers) emotions and certainly not about Titan buyers emotions

    Bottom line: We can't tell how much of this is coming from focus on Maxwell(i.e. neglect of Kepler), and which part is early Maxwell lessons.
    And conspiracy if any, is stvpid. They want to get rid of Kepler inventory, not pile it up.
     

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    290 was always way cheaper than GTX780Ti

    Why you are in this thread ? I know what you want to achieve (No Optimizations for Kepler)
    That would make you very happy , right ?:flip2:

    AMD Fanboy, please stay out. :)
    This thread is not for you.

    Nobody need such dumb comments :


    ....because you have a 290 !

    Everyone with a Titan or GTX780/780Ti has as a very different opinion than you and lets hope NV too :)
     
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    i hope they sort it out with a driver, if u watch 980 and titan x have same performance, AMD are so under performing

    isn't that wierd that nvidia didn't release driver for that game, nor for the old blood??? probably w8 for witcher 3.
     
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    that or they probably like some reviewers, didnt have access to the game.
     
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    A new driver for Ryse would be nice too. The performance on NV cards are horrible.

    http://www.computerbase.de/2014-10/ryse-benchmark-grafikkarten-vergleich-test/

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    Another example how NV neglected Kepler

    Metro - Last Light Redux (The way its mean to be played)

    http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/.../3/#diagramm-metro-last-light-redux-1920-1080

    290x laughs about 780Ti.
    970 not.

    Dirty trick nv, dirty trick.
    The cards are intentionally slowed.


    I post everything in the NV forum too, maybe it helps.
     
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    it might be, i remember in 2012 AMD was caught cheating with it's FPS special with crossfire, that why the frametime has been invented, at least one of the reasons.

    I don't trust any benchmarks, i run the game see how it works and then check the benches.

    Metro worked perfect on GTX680 and 780, way better than my friend 7970 and later 290x, so don't always believe that.

    There is no reason for nvidia to neglect kepler, it won't help sell more maxwells and if it comes true, it might hurt them.
     

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