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Should I upgrade from a recon3d to a Zxr?
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Default Should I upgrade from a recon3d to a Zxr? - 07-27-2014, 18:31 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Would that be a big jump? Mainly for games.
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 20:37 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Really? 56 views and no responses?
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 20:47 | posts: 10,183 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

Waiting 2 hours, what did you expect, it will come from people browsing the recent posts and not knowing about this or search engine crawlers.

Generally expect 1 post to 100 views.
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:10 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Ok. You responded, no opinion?
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:13 | posts: 10,183 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

Nope, I was browsing the recent post list and saw you complaining.

I'm half deaf so I don't pay attention to audio cards.
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:18 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

That sucks, sorry to hear that
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:21 | posts: 906 | Location: New Zealand

I had a recon3d for two days and hated it, sold it and got a Zx to my ears it was the difference between night and day especially in games.
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:42 | posts: 338 | Location: Portugal

From what I been seing the new Asus Essence II is somewhat better than the SBZ ZXR
   
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Default 07-27-2014, 21:45 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

I think I'll go buy it right now and compare the 2. Recon 3d and zxr. The stx 2 isnt out and way too expensive.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 03:44 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

I picked up the Zxr today. Honestly, its not worth the upgrade. The Zxr sounds a little better with music but with games, I can't tell the difference. I doubt I'll keep it.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 05:36 | posts: 5,433 | Location: Michigan,usa

The main thing the ZXR has over the Recon3D is the stronger headphone amp which would only benefit you if you had headphones that req far more power then what the Recon3D can give, and the Z/ZX uses the same maximum headphone amp chip that the recon3D uses, just a different sound signature. Then the ZXR option to change the sound signature for swapping the op-amp's which you can't do on the Recon3D.

Also your titanium HD also have the same op-amp rolling options which give you the option to improve the titanium HD sound signature by changing out the jrc's that are in the I/V's into a pair of LME49720NA,LT1364 or OPA2107 just to name a few. The I/V is what used when the headphone output of the titanium HD where both I/V and buffer op-amp is used when the RCA out is used.

I hope you wasn't running optical into the Z-5500 from your ZXR instead of using analog out, as when your using optical the features of the ZXR's are passed to the Z-5500 which makes it all pointless, As the ZXR will just be acting like a Digital transport device if the optical was used. Also the gear that is used will effect the final result of the source as well, different gear will have different results then each other on even on the same source, So results will vary between people.

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Default 07-28-2014, 14:33 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Thanks for the reply Claymore. I sold the Titanium HD a long time ago. The DT770's are driven just fine by the recon. I was actually using the optical out on the recon so I could switch between the z5500's, 770's and Roccat Kaves. Worked great, I could have all 3 hooked up all at once. I understand about the optical tho. I'm not going to swap out op amps either. Personally, I just dont hear enough of a difference to justify spending $200.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 20:12 | posts: 7,810

You're not going to hear a difference using optical out.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 20:25 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

I know dark,I was talking about headphones. I'll test some more stuff with the ZXR,then put the recon back in and see,but I doubt its a $200 upgrade..

PS.. I like how the recon's jacks are color coded,the Z's aren't.

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Default 07-28-2014, 20:31 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

What's the deal with the Asus Phoebus? Is it garbage?
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 21:15 | posts: 236

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What's the deal with the Asus Phoebus? Is it garbage?
Nonexistant support and pretty much nonexistant driver updates. Yes, MUCH worse than Creative (yes that's possible).
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 21:30 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Its funny how people bag on Creative. I've never owned an Asus card. I've had about 5 or more Creative cards,all my friends had them and none of us have ever had a problem. In fact,I've never had one fail. I had a razer barracuda,which I still own and never had a problem with that one either.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 22:08 | posts: 4,543 | Location: Israel

i'll post my own review tomorrow about the STXII which i used to replace my SBZ. luckily in my country it's expensive as much as outside, cause usually some hardware here cost 3 times more... yes STXII is expensive but it's LIGHT YEARS better than SBZ on my Z906.

People told me the difference would be small cause my system is high end pc speakers, which means low end home theater, however difference is big and easy to notice...

I'll say to u if u can try the STXII before buying, would be good.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 22:36 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

Light years? I doubt it,but I'm eager to read your review. There is only so much you can do with a sound card. This is just a shot in the dark,but I'm guessing your not much of a sound blaster guy. I bet your card before the ZXR was the STX..
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 22:39 | posts: 4,543 | Location: Israel

My first sound card was Audigy SE back in 2008, then D1 in 2010, 2013 the Phoebus, 2014 SBZ and now STXII. out of all those the phoebus and audigy se were the worst, phoebus specially. it sounds ok but it got bad software tied to good hardware.

What i meant by light years is a lot, yes there is always a botteleneck, the the STXII is super amazing.
   
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Default 07-28-2014, 22:50 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

What's super amazing about it? I don't see anything that tells me the card is revolutionary. Honestly,I think my Razer Barracuda AC-1 was the best of all the cards I've had,it had some cool stuff on it. I don't like Dolby headphone,which is what the STX 2 has. I just don't see any specs that just blow the ZXR out of the water.
   
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Default 07-29-2014, 02:39 | posts: 5,420 | Location: FLA,USA

The Phoebus is not a bad card I've been very pleased with mine it drives my DT770's beautifully and looks really nice in my case. I have a SBz in my living room rig and it's good too but the headphone amp is mediocre at best. The driver support from ASUS is not that great but since the card works flawlessly for me I have no reason to update them anyway.
   
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Default 07-29-2014, 07:31 | posts: 4,543 | Location: Israel

well Phoebus is not bad but neither good. i use equalizer a lot on my speakers, i barely use headphones and the sbz blows phoebus out of water, less in games more in movies.

STXII blows both of them in all terms, now GOAT1 STXII is pretty much improved STX I version, which was already awesome. you can read the guru3d review about it, mind you i came from SBZ/Phoebus and it does sounds way better.
   
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Default 07-29-2014, 18:40 | posts: 1,386 | Location: Minnesota

I did read the review. I just don't see how its going to blow the ZXR out of the water. Better maybe,leagues better,I doubt it. Plus the price on that thing is way too much. I mostly used the Sound card for games. But,I was listening to music thru the 770's last night and WOW! Forgot how good those sound. I'm gonna throw my Recon back in tonight and see the difference. Another thing,you almost need to hear the difference side by side at the same time. Both cards have different settings. Are the op amps in the STX 2 better or different? At any rate,I'm not paying that much for the sound card.
   
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Default 07-29-2014, 20:29 | posts: 5,420 | Location: FLA,USA

As the ZxR uses the exact same headphone amp as the Phoebus I know what you mean. With my lower end 5.1 Logitech speakers there was only a slight improvement over onboard audio but when using proper cans the sound processor really shines. The SBz uses a budget headphone amp compared to the ZxR and Phoebus.
   
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