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What are the CONS of buying a "closed loop CPU coolers"
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Default What are the CONS of buying a "closed loop CPU coolers" - 07-13-2014, 23:25 | posts: 119 | Location: N.Y.C.



My brother told me something that I did not know, he said that being that these things are closed looped coolers you can't replace the water in them cause they can't be opened that debris builds up inside of them over time.

An because of this, you would have to replace the of cooling unit (between a 2-3 yr periord) being you cannot get at the solution inside to change it.

I personally don't think it's worth it to but one of these CPU coolers with the intentions of having to replace it every two or three yr, being some are like over $100 bucks a pop! :shock:

Can I get some feed back on this?
   
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Default 07-13-2014, 23:33 | posts: 4,743 | Location: Not Far North Enough (England)

My H100i randomly died on me after about 2 months. Never getting another one after that.
   
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Default 07-13-2014, 23:38 | posts: 119 | Location: N.Y.C.

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My H100i randomly died on me after about 2 months. Never getting another one after that.
Why? What happened? An did you get your money back?
   
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Default 07-13-2014, 23:44 | posts: 4,743 | Location: Not Far North Enough (England)

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Why? What happened? An did you get your money back?
Yeah got a replacement, ebayed that sealed. Went back to my old NH-D14.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 01:04 | posts: 311 | Location: England

All of the Corsair Hydro Series come with a 5 year guarantee so even if this is true then you can just send it back and get a new one.

Pretty sure it's not true though.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 01:33 | posts: 16,325 | Location: US East Coast

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My brother told me something that I did not know, he said that being that these things are closed looped coolers you can't replace the water in them cause they can't be opened that debris builds up inside of them over time.

An because of this, you would have to replace the of cooling unit (between a 2-3 yr periord) being you cannot get at the solution inside to change it.

I personally don't think it's worth it to but one of these CPU coolers with the intentions of having to replace it every two or three yr, being some are like over $100 bucks a pop! :shock:

Can I get some feed back on this?
Yes, most of them are completely sealed and can't be refilled. They don't have to be replaced every 2-3 years though....that's a myth. Debris does not build up in closed loop systems....and if it does, the pump came apart.

There are some "closed loop" water cooling systems that are fully serviceable. The Coolermaster Glacer 204L is an expandable "closed loop" system that can be easily refilled at any time as well as having other components added to it.

The only CON of the Glacer 240L, is the waterblock fitment.... You need a motherboard with a lot of open space around the CPU socket.


   
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Default 07-14-2014, 01:36 | posts: 6,161 | Location: 127.0.0.1

iirc the Swiftech H220/H320 can be disconnected / expanded

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The H220 differentiates differentiates itself from other AIO's by its ability to support additional liquid cooled components such as graphics cards, chipset, and/or additional radiator(s).
  • From a practical standpoint, this is possible thanks to:
    • The presence of a reservoir including a fill-port built into the radiator so that the system can be easily emptied or refilled by the user at will,
    • Enthusiast grade 5/8” OD black PVC tubing fastened to swivel fittings with an elegant clamping system that users can easily remove and safely re-install.
  • From a thermal performance standpoint, this is made possible by:
    • The high thermal capacity of the dual 120mm copper and brass radiator
    • The powerful high-pressure pump capable of driving sufficient flow to cool multiple devices in the loop.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 01:38 | posts: 119 | Location: N.Y.C.

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All of the Corsair Hydro Series come with a 5 year guarantee so even if this is true then you can just send it back and get a new one.

Pretty sure it's not true though.
Well with all open custom loop systems it's recommended that you swap out the reservoir an bleed the system every 2 or 3 yrs (an that's also with non-corrosive solutions) with the buildup of nickel an mineral deposits an such, so I do see that happening with a closed looped system.

I just found out that some single unit water blocks do come with some swappable reservoirs (like the swiftech h220) but it kinda makes you think is it really worth the price in investing a single loop design being you are extremely limited compared to a custom loop.

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Sorry! did not see you above guys that replied when I wrote this


Thanx! sykozis! That Cooler Master Glacer 240L Liquid CPU Cooler looks like a real deal

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103196
(an it's maintainable) compared to tthe swifttech h220 which looks like it's really over priced.

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Default 07-14-2014, 02:04 | posts: 16,325 | Location: US East Coast

The Glacer 240L is the same as the H220....just Coolermaster branded.


   
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Default 07-14-2014, 02:14 | posts: 2,128 | Location: USA, Pennsylvania

I have a friend who has been using a cheap cooler master closed loop water cooler for about 4 years now, no issues.

I've got myself a cheap Thermaltake one, been loving it.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 02:48 | posts: 8,685 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Yea... you're not going to really get any "build-up" of stuff in a closed loop... simply because it's a closed loop. There isn't anywhere for dust or anything to get into it, so that's not a concern... and i'm pretty sure they're going to use a similar metal in the block that's in the radiator to eliminate the possibility of any funky stuff that could go on with mixed metals.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 02:59 | posts: 7,373 | Location: Urban`Jungle

I have Corsair H90 with custom 2x PP fans and its been ok for over a good year now.

Although kinda wish I had a 280mm now, had a chance back then but decided not to.. lol would have a much bigger temp. headroom, at least 6-7 °C
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 03:38 | posts: 3,909 | Location: Australia

It's more likely debris will build up in open systems than closed systems. The assumption seems to be that closed systems use water as the coolant, I believe they actually use a special coolant with anti corrosion and anti fungal/bacteria solution in it. Although this slightly reduces the cooling ability of the water, it does mean it protects the system and the water lasts much longer. I believe they also add a wetting solution, like you can get for cars, that reduces the surface tension of the water and improves cooling capability.

Having just water in the system means higher system corrosion, resulting in higher amounts of dissolved metal crap. The temperature that computer chopping systems operate at is also highly conducive to fungal and bacterial growth, further crapifying the water.

It's not that open lol is bad, it's just they're enthusiast products. This level of enthusiast probably wouldn't go a few years without replacing the cooling system and other disassemble/assemble tasks.

A good closed loop system does last, but like with anything it doesn't mean there isn't the occasional issue.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 06:31 | posts: 926 | Location: London

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All of the Corsair Hydro Series come with a 5 year guarantee so even if this is true then you can just send it back and get a new one.

Pretty sure it's not true though.
I've had two H100i's in a year first one the LED died (Pre 4Pin fans) and second one the Y splitter ports came out both where replaced with brand new units they also gave me a damages claims form due to it pulling my CPU out the socket and damaging the pins.

Corsairs H80i/H100i the software what they use known as corsair link is basically garbage and rarely works correctly sorry but all reviews daisy coat this side of the coolers. The software works but is extremely buggy example last version no longer shows the correct cpu temperature on AMD chips.
   
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My brother told me something that I did not know, he said that being that these things are closed looped coolers you can't replace the water in them cause they can't be opened that debris builds up inside of them over time.

An because of this, you would have to replace the of cooling unit (between a 2-3 yr periord) being you cannot get at the solution inside to change it.

I personally don't think it's worth it to but one of these CPU coolers with the intentions of having to replace it every two or three yr, being some are like over $100 bucks a pop! :shock:
Can I get some feed back on this?
They are still way cheaper than a custom water cooling setup and anyway a lot of people would most likely upgrade the cooler to a newer model before they get that old perhaps?
   
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If you don't like the Corsair series, you can always go an NZXT Kraken X61 or Coolermaster Nepton 240L.
   
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The Swiftech H220X is the one I'm waiting for. Should be on sale any day now. Check here http://www.swiftech.com/ Scroll down to the Video.
   
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Also there are some closed looped coolers that are customizable where you can add your own tubing, but I forget the brands that do this. I am planning on getting an h110 with my new rig because I want a less intrusive cooler that does not interfere with my RAM slots.
   
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There are cons with every closed looped AIO. The main one being that it has the possibility of leaking.
   
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Default 07-14-2014, 13:54 | posts: 1,951 | Location: Sault Ste. Marie Ont. CA

There are cons with EVERY cpu cooler period. The new AIO coolers are no more likely to leak than a custom loop. Probably even less likely. These days,the quality of AIO units are excellent and ruggedly built.
   
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I own an Antec 620 with two Sycthe Gentle Typhoons, and my opinion is that is meh. Not bad but not great either. I paid around £60 for it and I suspect a similar priced Air Cooler could get the same, if not better temps. Of course, I think my 3570K isn't a good clocker (hits 70 sometimes at 4.4GHZ, 1.28v).

Unless your going all in (H110i level), I don't think they are worth it. Next time, I am getting High End air.
   
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The Swiftech H220X is the one I'm waiting for. Should be on sale any day now. Check here http://www.swiftech.com/ Scroll down to the Video.
wtf? designed in the USA but not available in the USA.
   
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wtf? designed in the USA but not available in the USA.
Due to patient infringements.
   
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