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dave_reap
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
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PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Unhappy 4770k + 7990 really bad performance - 05-28-2014, 15:34 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

Hi All,

Upgraded my pc around Jan and got an i7 Haswell 4770k and 7990 MSI card.

The computer works generally without issue but I seem to be getting nowhere near the performance I should be getting out of this setup.

Ie Furmark 60 fps on 1080p res
Heaven 1600 score on extreme settings.

The final straw has came when I got Watchdogs and I am getting sub 20 fps standing around in corridors (all settings maxxed). Youtube ppl are posting vids of similar setups to mine and are getting 60-70 fps outside with everything maxxed out.

I would consider myself an advanced computer user and have tried a wide and varied range of to try and diagnose the problem but nothing is making the performance improve.

I am not overclocking and everything is on stock settings

Full spec as follows:

Corsair 850HX PSU
gigabyte z87x-oc
Haswell i7 4770k
MSI 7990 - 6gb
16GB DDR3 2400MHz HyperX XMP Beast Series
OCZ 240gb ssd
Creative SB Recon3d sound card
Windows 8 pro 64

The only obvious thing I have not tested is a more powerful Power supply - but surely 850 Watt should be enough?

This computer should be tearing any game to pieces but while it is fast it should be much better than what it is. Has anyone any idea what could be wrong with this?

Thanks,
Dave

ps. I dont want replies along the following
Have you tried updating drivers - yes I have
Have you tried reinstalling windows - yes I have
Are you sure crossfire is on - yes it is
Have you updated the Bios - Yes I have
I am also not experiencing any BSOD or instability... the computer is rock solid
   
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-Tj-
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Videocard: ZOTAC GTX780 OC AmpFan
Processor: i7 4770K OC 4.7GHz @1.28v
Mainboard: ASUS Z87 Deluxe
Memory: Crucial BLE 16GB 2400MHz
Soundcard: Creative X-Fi Titanium HD
PSU: Chieftec NTRO88+ 650W
Default 05-28-2014, 15:46 | posts: 8,343 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Hi,

Furmark obviously throttles your gpu, not really a performance indicator. Try something like 3dmark Vantage or 3dmark11 or 3dmark Firestrike or more cpu bound HitmanAbsolution or Metro LL benchmark, but again be careful maxing out AA, that will kill any gpu.


Heaven 4 maxedout is huge tessellation bottleneck and 7000 doesnt really shine there, although it improved a lot vs AMD 5000& 6000 series.



Watchdogs again maxed out its killing your gpu, you're running out of vram (3gb mirrored, its not true 6gb) with ultra textures and max 8xmsaa

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keep ultra textures and lower AA to postAA - ie FXAA or SMAA

Last edited by -Tj-; 05-28-2014 at 15:50.
   
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eclap
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Mainboard: Asus P8Z77-V Pro
Memory: 8GB G-Skill RipjawsX 1600
Soundcard: Aune T1. AD700. DT880
PSU: XFX Black 750W 80+ Gold
Default 05-28-2014, 16:05 | posts: 26,812 | Location: Hampshire, UK

Run 3dmark 11 and fire strike and post back with results. Forget about maxing out W_D, no pc is capable of that.
   
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Memory: 12GB 6-6-6-18 @ 1333MHz
Soundcard: 5.1 Klipsch
PSU: 850W Corsair
Default 05-28-2014, 19:24 | posts: 326 | Location: Texas

As mentioned, Watch Dogs eats up VRAM real fast on video cards. Some people were reporting over 4GB used with their Titans! That's more VRAM than a 290, or 290X has... The solution seems to lower AA, not use Ultra textures, and lower MSAA (I think it was MSAA, I don't have the game yet).
   
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dave_reap
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Default 05-28-2014, 19:53 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

Thanks for the quick reply... requested info below...


Firestrike default settings - 11676 with AMD Radeon HD 7990(2x) and Intel Core i7-4770K


3DMark Score

11676


Graphics Score

14971


Physics Score

10900


Combined Score

4590


Graphics Test 1

70.69 fps


Graphics Test 2

60.32 fps


Physics Test

34.61 fps


Combined Test

21.35 fps


3dmark11 default settings - 15189 with AMD Radeon HD 7990(2x) and Intel Core i7-4770K


3DMark Score

15189


Graphics Score

18912


Physics Score

10088


Combined Score

8842


Graphics Test 1

84.12 fps


Graphics Test 2

94.51 fps


Graphics Test 3

126.87 fps


Graphics Test 4

54.66 fps


Physics Test

32.03 fps


Combined Test

41.13 fps
   
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Processor: i5-2500k@4.5GHz NH-D14
Mainboard: MSI Z68A-GD80[g3]
Memory: 4x4GB 1600MHz 9,9,9,24
Soundcard: Essence ST / AKG K-701
PSU: FSP Gold series 750W
Default 05-28-2014, 19:56 | posts: 1,613 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

You know how it is, people set everything max in game while having CCC profile limiting AA/Tesselation/textures.

You'll never notice difference on YT unless AA is off completely.
   
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Videocard: R9 290 @ 1100/1400
Processor: i7 4770k @ 4400Mhz
Mainboard: Gigabyte Sniper M5 Z87
Memory: Avexir 2x4Gb 1600mhz
Soundcard: Creative Soundcore3D
PSU: Corsair TX850W
Default 05-28-2014, 20:09 | posts: 83 | Location: Portugal

Your score is a bit low.

Ive also had a 7990 with my 4770k and in 3dmark 11 it gave me 17233 (with 4770 at 4500 and 7990 at 1160/6600).

In firestrike it was around 12XXX.
   
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Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Default 05-29-2014, 01:31 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

I put my old 5870 into the machine and im instantly seeing performance increases across the board on all games (obviously in newer gpu intensive games its worse, but not much)...

The card 7990 I couldn't even touch it for a few minutes on attempting to remove it as it was so hot.

Im gonna test the card in another machine tomorrow but at this moment in time im fairly convinced ive got a bad card.
   
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Videocard: Acc7970 XL2420T @120Hz
Processor: i5-2500k@4.5GHz NH-D14
Mainboard: MSI Z68A-GD80[g3]
Memory: 4x4GB 1600MHz 9,9,9,24
Soundcard: Essence ST / AKG K-701
PSU: FSP Gold series 750W
Default 05-29-2014, 07:17 | posts: 1,613 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

Well, my 7970 does not thermal throttle if overheated, it just goes slowly to the point where it triggers thermal shut down.

Maybe 7990 BIOS has that function. But even so, before you get it to 90C you should have normal performance.
You should try to increase TDP (Power limit in CCC Performance Tab), no need to OC anything, especially not memory as bandwidth there is higher than GPUs need already.
If I take TDP limit down by 20% I end up losing around 50% performance.
   
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Memory: 8GB G-Skill RipjawsX 1600
Soundcard: Aune T1. AD700. DT880
PSU: XFX Black 750W 80+ Gold
Default 05-29-2014, 08:28 | posts: 26,812 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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Your score is a bit low.

Ive also had a 7990 with my 4770k and in 3dmark 11 it gave me 17233 (with 4770 at 4500 and 7990 at 1160/6600).

In firestrike it was around 12XXX.
he probably runs at stock or lower clocks than you. He's score is fine for a 7990. So there's no problem there, really. His PC performs as it should.

EDIT: I score 11.6k in fire strike too, scoring 16.5k ish in graphics score. So yeah, his graphics score is a bit down, but not majorly, I probably run higher clocks than him.

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Default 05-29-2014, 20:01 | posts: 94

Did you disable ULPS?
Can you check out GPU core clock behavior during the games using Afterburner software?
   
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Default 06-10-2014, 20:34 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

managed to get it tested in a different computer with an msi z87-g45 gaming board...

seems to be working fine... much higher fps... benchmarks scores

im suspecting a problem with my board / psu...

My psu is 4 years old... it has all of the modern connections and is a corsair hx850 but im starting to suspect it might just be causing the issue
   
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Memory: 8GB G-Skill RipjawsX 1600
Soundcard: Aune T1. AD700. DT880
PSU: XFX Black 750W 80+ Gold
Default 06-11-2014, 01:48 | posts: 26,812 | Location: Hampshire, UK

what scores exactly did you get in the other rig? Your scores were about right (give or take) for a stock 7990.
   
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
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Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Default 06-11-2014, 11:01 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

The other computer was running an i5 4670k - no overclock

Heavan was getting 250 more in benchmark score
furmark was getting roughly around an extra 15 fps

tested new game wildstar... my pc 15-25 fps... test pc 40-60 fps

something is definitely not right

Unfortunately I was limited for time so I didnt have time to test it in 3dmark etc

Im borrowing a new powercool 750 watt psu later I can test in my own machine later
   
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Thumbs down update... - 06-13-2014, 00:15 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

After a long time diagnosing this - I had initially thought it was the psu but the card turned out to be faulty as confirmed by retailer...

Last edited by dave_reap; 10-21-2014 at 14:02. Reason: answer not correct
   
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Videocard: MSI ATI 7990
Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K
Mainboard: Gigabyte Z87X-OC
Memory: 16gb Kingston 2400 beast
Soundcard: SB Recon3d Pro 5.1
PSU: Corsair HX850 Modular
Default 06-13-2014, 00:15 | posts: 7 | Location: Northern Ireland

I suppose while im here can anyone recommend a decent psu for my system?
   
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Videocard: R9 290 Tri-x
Processor: i7 4790k @ 4.4ghz
Mainboard: Asus Z97 Pro
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Default 06-13-2014, 01:14 | posts: 1,748 | Location: Pennsylvania

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I suppose while im here can anyone recommend a decent psu for my system?
SeaSonic makes good PSUs.
   
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Videocard: ASUS R9 290x DCU II OC
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Mainboard: ASUS Z87-A
Memory: Kingston Hyperx 4x4GB
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PSU: XFX 650W
Default 06-19-2014, 21:30 | posts: 24 | Location: Finland

corsair has usually good PSUs
   
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PSU: OCZ ZS 550w
Default 06-19-2014, 21:47 | posts: 7,857

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I suppose while im here can anyone recommend a decent psu for my system?
In the UK I wouldn't buy anything other than a Superflower unit at the moment to be honest, EVGA use them as the OEM for their supplies also if it helps. The price / performance of them is fantastic, came very close to buying this supply myself a few weeks back:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=CA-005-SF
   
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