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User review kinda shows GeForce GTX TITAN-Z against R9 295x2
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Default User review kinda shows GeForce GTX TITAN-Z against R9 295x2 - 05-13-2014, 08:47 | posts: 21,532 | Location: Guru3D testlab

As you guys know the Nvidia GeForce GTX TITAN-Z launched at a $2,999 price-point, the Dual-GPU monster was announced a good month ago, yet there is simply no availability. And it was only time before ...

User review kinda shows GeForce GTX TITAN-Z against R9 295x2
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 09:07 | posts: 178

Well this is a clear win for AMD in my eyes, especially given the half price value! This is also assuming that there is not horrendous frame pacing issues with AMD, but they've been resolved now for the most part in 2 way crossfire as far as I'm aware.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 09:09 | posts: 21,532 | Location: Guru3D testlab

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Well this is a clear win for AMD in my eyes, especially given the half price value! This is also assuming that there is not horrendous frame pacing issues with AMD, but they've been resolved now for the most part in 2 way crossfire as far as I'm aware.
We addressed that in our review my man:

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Default 05-13-2014, 09:12 | posts: 178

Cheers for the link Hilbert. I did read that article, this card was a "Top Pick" for you then, and by reading your conclusion I can see that frame pacing is no longer a concern, although you say NVidia is just slightly ahead in that respect. Yes, clear win for AMD with this card so far.

And your article related to Project FreeSync is another arrow in AMD's quiver that might make this purchase more attractive too:
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/ves..._standard.html

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Default 05-13-2014, 09:14 | posts: 4,614 | Location: Israel

Ever since nvidia announced this titanz, before 295X and even after it was released, nvidia main enemy is NVIDIA.

2 titan black equal or even better than titanz, 780TI is ever way better then both and 295X. the price of titanz is really not even funny at 1 april.

But i believe nvidia wanted to poke AMD so they release the card before the Z, but they didn't think that hawaii will explode like that(pon intent)
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 09:51 | posts: 549 | Location: France

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Ever since nvidia announced this titanz, before 295X and even after it was released, nvidia main enemy is NVIDIA.

2 titan black equal or even better than titanz, 780TI is ever way better then both and 295X. the price of titanz is really not even funny at 1 april.

But i believe nvidia wanted to poke AMD so they release the card before the Z, but they didn't think that hawaii will explode like that(pon intent)
agree,
Now more and more config accept tripleSLI or 4SLI.
so why buy a TITAN Z with 2 lower clock kepler at 3000 when you can buy 3 titan black full clocked at the same price (and have even some left to go to restaurant and nightclub with your GF/BF/Dog etc)...

despite that i still prefer the chameleon right now... to work with, you have better results than with AMD (price is just a data here).
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 10:09 | posts: 4,614 | Location: Israel

if i would buy into that, i would go only for 780TI SLI or double titan black IF u need the DP. best option all around, this titan Z need to CTRL+Z and then redo it so it justify the 1500$ price(yeah i think 3000$ won't work even if card was 50% faster than 295X, price is INSANE)
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 10:44 | posts: 112

I wouldn't be surprised if they would cancel the titan z all together, only someone who is either brain dead or has unlimited funds would buy a product thats almost the same performance but two times as expensive, i hope not a single sample of that card gets sold, nvidia has finally shot themselves in the foot with 3000buck price, i bet they were hoping amd wont have their card ready yet and milk the costumers, didnt quite work out as the titan did lol
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 10:58 | posts: 361

The specs of the Titan Z destroy the Radeon on paper....except for the clock. You simply can't beat that. Clock a basically inferior product significally higher and it will beat the theoretically better but lower clocked product.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 11:09 | posts: 76 | Location: Portugal

This days for comparing competing graphics cards one of the main points for me is performance per watt, the price is ruled by the market sooner or later. Like the new GTX750/Ti is a master piece of engineering, although this being a Maxwell core and this Titan's are still Kepler. But when the TDP of this card is known is a better time to judge them, until that day I only see this massive 500W for the 295x2.

By the way I'm a happy owner of GTX 750Ti in my car simulator rig, guess what, does the same as my GTX 560Ti without requiring a PCIe power connector, when was the last time we saw something like this?
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 12:26 | posts: 48 | Location: Bulgaria

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But when the TDP of this card is known is a better time to judge them, until that day I only see this massive 500W for the 295x2.
A pair of 780 Ti in SLI also drain around 500 W. Unfortunately there aren't any top tier cards with low power consumption
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 12:38 | posts: 76 | Location: Portugal

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A pair of 780 Ti in SLI also drain around 500 W. Unfortunately there aren't any top tier cards with low power consumption
I hope for some sort of optimization when PCB is shared for both chipset instead of separated graphics. The clock is also lower compared to 780Ti and Titan Black. Also the heat generated from AMD requiring a liquid cooling also increases the consumption, this is only speculation because I don't really know the real impact with this solution, although being a good one keeping th card cool, but again if the technology was good there is no need for that fancy colling.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 13:24 | posts: 1,569 | Location: Sweden

Embarassing nVidia. Please have meetings regarding important stuff like...um, I don't know...maybe MAXWELL High end cards??? Could be *slightly* more important than this PR marketing trick. I mean really...
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 13:38 | posts: 26,803 | Location: Hampshire, UK

$3k for that? Phahahahaha, what a fail. Completely devoid of common sense. Who do Nvidia think they are?
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 13:43 | posts: 415

Yea...

Glad I have my TI's rather than that.

Even if it was priced lower, I'd still go for the AMD personally if I wanted a dual GPU card, as I'm quite a fan of it & its cooling.

Exactly what nvidia can do about this now...(considering the cards are made and shipped to atleast some suppliers...) - A driver fix is doubtful to make a huge difference?
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 14:31 | posts: 9,428 | Location: UK

They'll probably re-market it to keep the high price, or make it a Limited Edition, as i just can't see them releasing it at a much lower price, like around the 295x2s, they'll launch the faster 790 for that.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 14:37 | posts: 12,209 | Location: England

I find it shocking that NVIDIA are selling the Titan Z for $3,000. I thought the 900 Titan was obscenely priced but the fact that AMD have a card that is just as fast as the Titan Z for half the price just shows how ridiculous NVIDIA's pricing really is..and that's taking into account that AMD's card is also a tad overpriced!!!
   
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I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia don't change the cooler for a water cooling loop like the and card. That way they could increase clocks to give better performance to put some distance in front of amd card.

The price is still obscene and clearly they are better options out there.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 14:44 | posts: 916 | Location: Greece/Australia

$2,999!!!! for the GTX TITAN-Z against R9 295x2 at $1,500?
What the hell is Nvidia thinking? they must be crazy to launch the TITAN-Z at that price point when the AMD R9 295x2 is going for only $1,500 with similar performance.
You must be crazy to invest that kind of money for a gaming GPU.
Even if there is someone who needs that kind of performance along with the 6gb of memory it's only logical they will invest $2,000 for 2 GTX TITANS (which what the TITAN-Z basically is) and save $1,000.
Maybe Nvidia will surprise us with the GTX TITAN-Z and will turn out to be triple GPU card with 3 GK110 GPUs.
   
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$2,999!!!! for the GTX TITAN-Z against R9 295x2 at $1,500?
What the hell is Nvidia thinking? they must be crazy to launch the TITAN-Z at that price point when the AMD R9 295x2 is going for only $1,500 with similar performance.
You must be crazy to invest that kind of money for a gaming GPU.
Even if there is someone who needs that kind of performance along with the 6gb of memory it's only logical they will invest $2,000 for 2 GTX TITANS (which what the TITAN-Z basically is) and save $1,000.
Maybe Nvidia will surprise us with the GTX TITAN-Z and will turn out to be triple GPU card with 3 GK110 GPUs.
$3,000 is a lot considering the Titan black goes for $1,000 but it also comes with nearly double the DP of the 295x2 and that's what Titan's are, DP cards.
Rather see NVidia working on the 790 or Maxwell tbh.
   
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Default 05-13-2014, 14:57 | posts: 1,377 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

Regardless of the TitanZ and a bit offtopic, personally for me its either top tier Maxwell or a second Ti.

Thankfully I'm pretty sure the 780Ti prices will go down a lot by then so I'm more inclined at the latter.
   
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Regardless of the TitanZ and a bit offtopic, personally for me its either too tier Maxwell or a second Ti.

Thankfully I'm pretty sure the 780Ti prices will go down a lot by then.
so around five and a half thousand shaders on your TI sli, but only 3gb?
screw that, I've seen a 760 with just over a thousand shaders use 3gb.
   
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Can already buy the Titan Z at 4K.
   
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Regardless of the TitanZ and a bit offtopic, personally for me its either top tier Maxwell or a second Ti.

Thankfully I'm pretty sure the 780Ti prices will go down a lot by then so I'm more inclined at the latter.
You should probably just get a second Ti. Maxwell isn't going to bring much to the table in terms of a single card. There are basically no new marquee features and the focus of the architecture was lower power usage. With die size and pricing constraints I can't see nvidia producing a much bigger card than a Ti anyway so there isn't going to be some version of maxwell with twice as many shaders. Maybe 20% more at most and a second Ti will simply outclass that. So unless you plan on buying 2 Maxwell cards a second Ti is the way to go.

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so around five and a half thousand shaders on your TI sli, but only 3gb?
screw that, I've seen a 760 with just over a thousand shaders use 3gb.
So what is his option? Spending $700 to sidegrade in 90% of cases except for the one game that uses more than 3gb of ram? I mean seriously how many games out there actually use that? I've run into like two with my 690, Skyrim fully modded out and BF4 with everything including res scale thingy turned to max.

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Default 05-13-2014, 15:16 | posts: 4,956 | Location: London

The TDP of these cards is getting ridiculous now. I thought my 300W 5970 was bad back in the day, but nearing 600W now, jeez.
   
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