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Default AMD Kaveri FX-7600P Mobile APU Vs. ULV Haswell Benchmark mini-review - 05-09-2014, 09:34 | posts: 21,699 | Location: Guru3D testlab

A little while ago specs on AMD's new mobile platform found its way onto the web. Basically the¬*Kaveri APU linelup entails seven parts. Six quad cores APUS and one dual core APU.¬*The leader of the ...

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APUs are finally exiting the territory of HTPC-only setups and entering the realm of true gaming power...

Gotta be $hitting me right? This isn't something you wrote Hilbert or is it? I know it's a copied stuff off WCCFTech but still..Seriously? AMD charts and all
   
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APUs are finally exiting the territory of HTPC-only setups and entering the realm of true gaming power...

Gotta be $hitting me right? This isn't something you wrote Hilbert or is it? I know it's a copied stuff off WCCFTech but still..Seriously? AMD charts and all
You highlight a clearly quoted paragraph from them buddy.


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Default 05-09-2014, 12:16 | posts: 207 | Location: Dublin

I should have been more accurate.I know you would never write that down and I know that it is copied text. I just don't understand why would you just copy stuff without giving your own opinion. People who don't come here often might think that it's you telling all this stuff. I get it that this is probably not your full time job, but still I would rather see 1 post a day with your ideas and tests than be reading copied stuff of other websites or copied product launches which are full of crap info and are misleading. But maybe it's just me. I come here because I like your posts,ideas,testing methods and I dont like that copied stuff most sites do.Basically I don't think you need to be doing this just to create more posts. People who come here come for a reason. Anyway keep it up. Didn't mean to annoy you Hilbert
   
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4 cores, 512 shaders in a 35 W TDP, yes please
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 14:26 | posts: 994 | Location: Miami

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I should have been more accurate.I know you would never write that down and I know that it is copied text. I just don't understand why would you just copy stuff without giving your own opinion. People who don't come here often might think that it's you telling all this stuff. I get it that this is probably not your full time job, but still I would rather see 1 post a day with your ideas and tests than be reading copied stuff of other websites or copied product launches which are full of crap info and are misleading. But maybe it's just me. I come here because I like your posts,ideas,testing methods and I dont like that copied stuff most sites do.Basically I don't think you need to be doing this just to create more posts. People who come here come for a reason. Anyway keep it up. Didn't mean to annoy you Hilbert

Sir, Please calm down. As he said, the section you are talking about here is straight from "their" quotes, this is what they commented. even in that comment they said:
"there should be quite a few games out there that run well at low-medium settings and considering the low power consumption. That is definitely a bargain."
which is true. Dota2 should run okay with this hardware with medium-low settings. If you know about this game, its one of the most played games in the world right now.


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Default 05-09-2014, 14:39 | posts: 581 | Location: France

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AMD charts and all
yes, they can now they have abandoned the professional market lol.
exept the arm server nothing exiting in there.

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4 cores, 512 shaders in a 35 W TDP, yes please
why so few cores and shaders and so high TDP... we want more and less W
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 14:43 | posts: 21 | Location: Thailand

i plan to get new laptop but may be waiting for this one and let's see is it better than i7-4500u . This may be good i hope it faster and cooler
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 16:01 | posts: 466 | Location: MA, USA

I think their FX series should have smaller GPUs and more cores. Ideally, it wouldn't have any GPU.
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 16:21 | posts: 1,389 | Location: Caracas, Venezuela

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APUs are finally exiting the territory of HTPC-only setups and entering the realm of true gaming power...

Gotta be $hitting me right? This isn't something you wrote Hilbert or is it? I know it's a copied stuff off WCCFTech but still..Seriously? AMD charts and all
Well, I have an AMD A8-4500m and it runs League of Legends, WoW and Rust very well(two od them being the most played games on PC), so I guess this new APU will make an even better job.

Its "True gaming power" because 70% of the world computers use Intel HD GPU which is a POS, so yeah.. think about it next time..
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 17:06 | posts: 4,979 | Location: London

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why so few cores and shaders and so high TDP... we want more and less W
35 W is not bad for a chip with discrete glass GPU, 4 cores and 2133 MHz memory controller. Not bad at all.
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 17:27 | posts: 264 | Location: canada

more cpu cores in a laptop is useless when it comes to gaming most laptops are limited to their crap gpus. whats the point of having a laptop with an i7 that costs double and no dedicated gpu when the amd offering will destroy it with its igp.
   
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more cpu cores in a laptop is useless when it comes to gaming most laptops are limited to their crap gpus. whats the point of having a laptop with an i7 that costs double and no dedicated gpu when the amd offering will destroy it with its igp.
I hope you realize that many, if not most laptop i7s are dual cores with HT
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 17:34 | posts: 4,979 | Location: London

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I hope you realize that many, if not most laptop i7s are dual cores with HT
Not any more. The first gen were, about 4 years ago. Now they're mostly true quads, at least the 4700 series, with a mix of GT2 and GT3 graphics and a 50 % higher TDP than the AMD chips.

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Default 05-09-2014, 17:41 | posts: 466 | Location: MA, USA

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Not any more. The first gen were, about 4 years ago. Now they're mostly true quads, at least the 4700 series, with a mix of GT2 and GT3 graphics and a 50 % higher TDP than the AMD chips.
I've seen plenty of sandy bridge, ivy bridge, and haswell laptops with dual core i7s. I guess it depends how much you're willing to spend.
   
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I've seen plenty of sandy bridge, ivy bridge, and haswell laptops with dual core i7s. I guess it depends how much you're willing to spend.
The lower end ones, certainly. You can pay some stupid money for laptops if you want to.
   
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why so few cores and shaders and so high TDP... we want more and less W
They should make one more CPU with:
4cores: 3.0~3.8GHz; 640 shaders; 45W
It would just fit 13/14" notebooks and would rule over any other solution there.

I have my eye on a10 micro-6700t and FX-7600p for now.
And I hope they get some micros around 400$ out + FX-7600p around 700-800$.

A lot of people say that x86 tablets can't compete with android. It's absolutely stupid thing to say.
I had Tegra 2 netbook, good device a lot of fun, but Android itself let it down.
Android cellphone, yes, it works as designed. No it's not that useful other than having modified wifi driver for packet injection and monitoring.
My last tablet? 4 cores, good graphics 2048x1536? Games I like run between 20-35fps, not very good experience. Only good for browsing/reading, watching movies on the go. Android let it down in any productivity.

No more android other than cellphones for me, because it will not evolve in next 5 years to useful shape.

But even slowest of AMD/intel x84 tablets can run any desktop application including open office, flash, gimp.
And biggest thing for me is developing x86 code on x86 platform, that is something you can't do with android.

As far as performance goes, a10 micro-6700t is capable to play a lot of new PC games on low details in 25+ fps. Older games can go fluent even on medium. But who really needs extreme details on 1366x768 10" tablet since it has nearly twice the pixel density to 1080p 24"?

As for FX-7600p, it is fully sufficient for playing any modern game 25+ fps, not that I would play BF4 on it which would be case of this lowest fps.
I had i7-720qm OC to 3.4GHz + HD5870. That CPU could not feed GPU in many of games. But it could play most of games on medium to max details @1080p back then. 512 shaders in FX-7600p should do bit better than 800 vliw5 shaders in HD5870 only thing which may hinder it is memory bandwidth, but that looks like taken care of too.

I really want HSA capable CPU to play with, but that tablet performance/watt is so tempting. No idea which I get this year, maybe both.
Likely depends if they make FX-7600p into 13/14" notebook before a10 micro-6700t hits with tablet+detachable keyboard (including 2nd battery) like HP slatebook x2.
   
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Default 05-09-2014, 23:22 | posts: 162 | Location: Portugal

Boring, starting to miss high TDP's and lots of heat. No need for fancy cooling solutions. That's sad for a mechanical engineer. j/k Cool computing, no pun intended is always a good thing on many levels.
   
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more cpu cores in a laptop is useless when it comes to gaming most laptops are limited to their crap gpus. whats the point of having a laptop with an i7 that costs double and no dedicated gpu when the amd offering will destroy it with its igp.
laptops are also limited by battery. What's the point of a laptop that has to be plugged in to be used?


   
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big emphasis on mini
   
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Well, to be honest, the gains in 3DMark seem that it is barely faster than the already severely hindered HD4400 in those ULV Haswells (they are working within a 15W TDP). From the graph, I'll say it's roughly 20~30% faster? That's not a really huge gain since the HD4400 is pretty slow in general... I think gamers will still opt for an Intel quad core + dedicated GPU.

I'm slightly disappointed with AMD's APUs in general though, I have an A8-5600K in a living room PC and even though its nice to have a semi-competent iGPU, it really can't do all that much. It can't play SC2 at medium, nor BF3/4 smoothly on low @ 1080/60fps. That, plus the weak IPC (and wonky temperature sensors), makes me wishing I had bought a non-K i5 and just slapped something like a GTX750 or one of my 7950s onto it. I mean, its great for the price, but I'm thinking either AMD needs to make a 8 core version or seriously up the speed on the GPU part. As it stands right now, they are all kind stuck in limbo, jack of all trades and master of none... Plus, some of the A10s are creeping into i5 price territories.
   
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Default 05-10-2014, 04:21 | posts: 264 | Location: canada

the lano apu's were ok i came from an a6 3650 to and a10 5800k the 5800k can play sc2 max and d3 mid/high at decent frames. they are very dependant on memory cant wait till they get ddr4 on these.
   
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I'm slightly disappointed with AMD's APUs in general though, I have an A8-5600K in a living room PC and even though its nice to have a semi-competent iGPU, it really can't do all that much. It can't play SC2 at medium, nor BF3/4 smoothly on low @ 1080/60fps. That, plus the weak IPC (and wonky temperature sensors), makes me wishing I had bought a non-K i5 and just slapped something like a GTX750 or one of my 7950s onto it.
Well, you got 256 shaders with your 5600K. That's half of what you get now.
Back then you could have had 384 which is +50% bonus. It was your decision. And even those 256 should play a lot on low details 1080p. And yes, there are games which will not work good enough.
I agree that IPC on Trinity was not very good and it is not that much better now, but you could have opted for 5800K if you intended to use it for occasional gaming as price of entire mini pc would be like 5-10% higher only.

And in all honesty that FX-7600P can crush your HTPC in gaming and show many benefits in productivity.
Therefore surpassing in performance 1.5year old trinity and going from 100W desktop envelope to 35W notebook is quite a feat while bringing things like HSA.
   
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Well, you got 256 shaders with your 5600K. That's half of what you get now.
Back then you could have had 384 which is +50% bonus. It was your decision. And even those 256 should play a lot on low details 1080p. And yes, there are games which will not work good enough.
I agree that IPC on Trinity was not very good and it is not that much better now, but you could have opted for 5800K if you intended to use it for occasional gaming as price of entire mini pc would be like 5-10% higher only.

And in all honesty that FX-7600P can crush your HTPC in gaming and show many benefits in productivity.
Therefore surpassing in performance 1.5year old trinity and going from 100W desktop envelope to 35W notebook is quite a feat while bringing things like HSA.
Yeah, the HTPC wasn't meant for games, so I didn't think an A10 would be needed. I simply ran some games on it to test out how fast the integrated was as compared to say, my dedicated cards and my laptop. 256 vs 384 however, the A8 wasn't very fast to begin with, 50% may or may not help especially at 1080P (when for example BF3 ran at ~20-30FPS in 64p games, 50% still doesn't hit 60. I have 1866 RAM on it so I think that is probably the maximum performance I can get out of it.). I agree that it is slightly expecting too much from something that was only ~$100, but I mean, the entire concept of it is slightly botched due to the low IPC as well as only have 4 cores (With BF3/4 + a 7950, FPS is still low due to the CPU). If AMD releases it with 8/6 cores, then it'll be much more interesting as their FX6 series can compete fairly well with i5s and FX8s sometimes with i7s in multithreaded programs. As it stands now, I think the performance gained in GPU is largely too small to warrant the low IPC, low core count in the APUs.

Regarding the FX7600P though, most mobile APUs AMD released in the past were severely hindered by TDP and hence clock speeds. I wonder if these would still be, same process and all?
   
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