AMD Enduro or PowerXpress™ technologies are currently not supported by Mantle

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  1. LeeKM

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  2. Espionage724

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    "are currently not supported"
    currently

    Give it some time maybe? Maybe I'm just giving AMD the benefit of doubt, but they probably have to work out mobility support still, and don't really want to delay this driver any longer than they have to (why should desktop owners have to wait?).
     
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    Yes this is a mess and really idiotic. We have to wait even longer...

    Hopefully Starswarm will support Enduro...
     
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    enduro support giving by mantle ???

    or enduro support giving by mantle api usable software....

    if this controlling by software this is only bull****...
    amd only preparing this technology to its own cpu + gpu....

    mantle:

    amd + amd === yes

    amd cpu + nvidia gpu =no

    intel desktop cpu + amd gpu = yes but low performance

    intel + amd enduro/powexpress = yes or no if application support.

    intel + nvidia : no
    intel : no

    directx : all of them :D:D:D:D



    this technology totaly preparing for amd cpu + amd gpu.......

    mantle will losing battle at start to directx. :D


    intel cpu + amd gpu configirations generaly giving higher performance then amd cpu + amd gpu combination....

    amd cannot dominate video editing software or 3d render softwares. trying to dominate game area. because amd was good at gaming.

    mantle can not dominate gaming.... because not universal.
     
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    As far as i know there's no BF4 mantle Swarm mantle... Mantle is the same for all GCN cards and it's the driver what need to support all the cards...


    The performance gains are limited from the CPU previous bottleneck in DX, so it you have a low end CPU (Intel) or just a low IPC AMD CPU then Mantle will remove the bottleneck and reduce the overhead quite a lot letting you gain a good amount of frames.

    If you have a High-end i7 CPU then you have less gain cause there's no room to improvements when all is working fine... (that should change in Crossfire situations that would benefit in some cases)

    Other than AMD GCN Gpus are not supported yet (and it's going to be hard to see other vendors supporting it).

    AMD will hopefully add support for all GCN cards soon but paraphrasing one of the devgurus amd staff "you may be in for a disappointment".

    Note that the "you may be in for a disappointment." thing was from another bug that they're going to fix like almost two years ago and is still broken (Opencl with Big Kernels).
     
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    mantle if not solution for sli
    if not solution for enduro... who care ???

    only good for amd cpu + amd gpu :D very small area using amd cpu on notebook... mantle like bull****...
     
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    I like how you have absolutely no knowledge about Mantle:3eyes:

    what do you mean?
     
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    Well mantle is just like D3D ... you are not going to write a Directx 9 game and made it work only with a small set of DirectX9 capable cards... cause you can't.

    When you write with mantle (or any other api) you are going to support all the hardware that support that api, so if enduro is not working is cause enduro can't support Mantle yet (Driver issue) not cause the game can't support mantle.

    Actually i have one of the Mantle capable cards and i can't use Mantle cause lack of driver... it seems that 14.1 are not going to fix mantle for enduro... but amd could add support latter 14.2? 15.1?

    I edited one of my posts above so i added quite a few things:
    http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4755340&postcount=5
     
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    I know but the list of known issues just said BF4, not Mantle generally. Also:

    https://twitter.com/cavemanjim/status/428915494222323713

    Sadly he didn't answered my most important question so we will be clueless again. But if you go by this tweet, Mantle already does support Notebooks, just not with BF4. Maybe because BF4 is just a fast patch? If so, Starswarm demo would run with Mantle because it was build from the ground up
     
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    ... we'll see... but it sounds weird that you can write mantle software without supporting a subset of mantle hardware....
     

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    if amd saying we are not supporting manlte for powerxpress or enduro its mean mantle notebook support is broken...

    ea or dice is not api builder. they can not select its runs on desktop its cant run on notebook. its amds platform choice....


    enduro or optimus like discrete graphisc cards can not connect display directly. they are sending data to igpu. ( amd or intel cpu internal gpu )

    it can be blocking mantle low level hardware api functions. because mantle is builded for use more of gpu amd gpu limits.

    may be they are tried mantle for enduro/powerxpress but performance result worst then directx. and they are closed this support.

    or we are know truth. amd can not build good notebook gpu like nvidia :D
     
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    Performance will be just like the desktop versions, BUT Mantle is needed to program that way to speak directly to the GCN GPUs, only the picture itself is send to the iGPU, Programs still have 100% access to the dedicated graphics. To optimize Mantle for that maybe takes a while longer.... we will have to wait with our laptops :(
     
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    if mantle not supporting enduro or powerexpress this is totaly scandal.

    if dice ea saying we are not build bf4 mantle edition for notebook/enduro/poweexpress
    its different scandal

    and frostbyte 3 first mantle supporter. if bf4 not support enduro/powerxpress more of them will be not support mantle for enduro gcn

    im waiting... amd will say only "r7 r9 mobile will support mantle." wait and seee....

    leekm u are right. u are cleaning amd driver division poor work. because amd totaly rubbish
     
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    The AMD Radeon™ R9 M200 Series of GPUs provide a potent combination of immersive features and performance that you deserve for all your games, applications, and entertainment; while also providing intelligent power features to extend battery life. A powerful, portable graphics solution – ready for all your needs.

    AMD Graphics Core Next Architecture
    AMD GCN architecture has been designed to deliver outstanding graphics performance and outstanding image quality – the top choice for gamers who expect the best.1

    Mantle API
    Games enabled with Mantle speak the language of Graphics Core Next to unlock revolutionary performance and image quality. It’s a game-changing innovation developed by AMD for Radeon™ GPUs.2

    AMD Enduro Technology
    A flexible power solution that adapts to you, optimizing notebook power based on your usage, extending battery life when you want and delivering outstanding graphics when you need.3

    AMD App Acceleration
    Let your AMD Radeon™ GPU take over some of your workload. AMD App Acceleration enables improved performance in every day applications, utilities and other demanding system tasks, allowing you to do more in less time.4

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/r9/Pages/amd-radeon-r9-m200-series.aspx

    R9 m290x = Enduro + Mantle API support??

    AMD sales strategy? Once Upon sale ...END (Purchase occurs the victim)
     
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    That just means that the R9 M will get Mantle, which is the case for all GCN mobile GPUs. But just not yet.

    Our Enduro GPUs WILL support Mantle, but just not yet. AMD said that already a couple of times. But I really hate it to stand in the waiting line just because I own a laptop.

    Mantle API is writed in R9/R7M website because they have new registers on the website. Older GPUs were announced with no Mantle so no Mantle is wrote. All our GPUs will get Mantle no worries ;)
     
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    So what was the question allready ? why CFX between APU GPU + Discrete GPU on netbook is not yet supported with a driver non released..

    Its the first release of Mantle, again in beta and release phase.

    The 14.1 driver is not even there, if they need more time for the mobile driver, yes.... maybe.. for the rest no problem.
     
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    im not need knowledge. im knowing amd. im guessed :D
     
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    Sorry LeeKM, your thread is kind of pointless from start. They are rolling Mantle 1st for biggest part of market.
    This only attracts raging, crying part of cummunity.

    I personally believe you would be able to make it work if you just could disable iGP in CPU. MSI GX60 "Hello".
     
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    Okay to clean this **** up:

    If you have a laptop with a Intel CPU and every dedicated GCN GPU on the mobile market, you will get Mantle later.

    If you have a Laptop with a Intel CPU and a dedicated non GCN GPU, you won't ever get Mantle.

    If you have a AMD APU laptop and every dedicated GCN GPU on the market, you will get Mantle later.

    If you have a AMD APU laptop and a non dedicated GCN GPU, you won't ever get Mantle.

    If you have a Desktop PC with an Intel CPU and a GCN GPU, you will get Mantle NOW.

    If you have a Desktop PC with a Intel CPU and a non GCN GPU, you won't get ever Mantle.

    If you have a Desktop PC with a AMD CPU/APU and a GCN GPU, you will get Mantle NOW, if no GCN then no Mantle. If you have a Kaveri APU and no dedicated GPU, you will get Mantle. If you have a Richland/Trinity APU and no dedicated GCN GPU, wont get Mantle.

    Is that clear? These are the facts straight from AMD ;)

    But eitherway I'm still disappointed that laptop users have to wait for Mantle.
     
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    when nvidia converted aegean physx for old 8600gt and never builds ( 16 or 32 cuda core and mores ) can support it. realy wide range of gpus.

    im buyed amd. because nvidias linux support broked. linus torvals saying "fu" to nvidia but. is torvals see amd ????
     

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