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Default New HDD thoughts.. - 12-18-2013, 18:25 | posts: 3,489 | Location: USA

So i currently have Seagate 7200.12 barracuda 500gb, Not issue with it after 23157 of power on time which is around 3 years of one time at this point and 12 relocated sectors. It still works as good as the day I got it. And to this date have always used a seagate HDD and have been for 25+ years.


Now since I made this my Backup drive/Games HDD I have started to run out of space on it. So i started looking around for 1 or 2 TB HDD Any recommendations? A HDD that is quieter or just as quiet as what I have and Faster if possible would be great I get about 75-95 read/write and 230~290 random iops read/write speeds off of Sata II.

Was looking at the WD new Black drives and at the seagate desktop hdd .15
   
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Default 12-19-2013, 00:18 | posts: 1,583 | Location: Earth

i have a pair of seagate 2tb st2000dm001 drives, read write at peak is ~190 MB/s

but look around for the dual platter ones (they also come in triple platter which is slower)

http://www.techenclave.com/community...-sizes.138435/
   
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Default 12-19-2013, 01:03 | posts: 26,634 | Location: Hampshire UK

just got this the other day, super quiet, great performance, bargain http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...a%20dt01aca200
   
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Default 12-19-2013, 17:34 | posts: 3,489 | Location: USA

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i have a pair of seagate 2tb st2000dm001 drives, read write at peak is ~190 MB/s

but look around for the dual platter ones (they also come in triple platter which is slower)

http://www.techenclave.com/community...-sizes.138435/
Im gathering 1tb and 2tb are roughly the same speed then?
   
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Default 12-19-2013, 18:12 | posts: 24,205 | Location: NZ

I just bought a 2TB ST2000DM001 and it's great, I'm pretty sure it's the fastest 2TB drive available.
There are 2 versions of the drive though, make sure you get the one with indents like shown in the picture.

Indented.



Not indented.


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Default 12-19-2013, 20:15 | posts: 1,583 | Location: Earth

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Im gathering 1tb and 2tb are roughly the same speed then?
if they are within the same generation, then yes, the model of the newest gen is ST1000DM003
   
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I just bought a 2TB ST2000DM001 and it's great, I'm pretty sure it's the fastest 2TB drive available.
There are 2 versions of the drive though, make sure you get the one with indents like shown in the picture.

Indented.



Not indented.

I've had several ST2000DM001 drives (all indented versions), and I still have two. The first lot I bought them I must have had a bad batch, because two out of three were faulty. I posted about this on here a while back . I gave them a second try a bit later and had no issues with them.

I believe they are the second best standard drive to get at the moment, but of course it's also a personal preference thing.

I think the best ones are the Toshiba's, as Eclap has mentioned. I have the 3 TB versions (DT01ACA300).

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just got this the other day, super quiet, great performance, bargain http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...a%20dt01aca200
I say best and second best standard drive, as there are better drives around, they just cost a lot more! (Enterprise drives)

Apparently Seagate are bringing out drives with 1.3 TB /platter this year using a new recording technology, so the favour may tip back to Seagates advantage when these are released.
   
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Default 12-19-2013, 20:17 | posts: 1,583 | Location: Earth

yo pill, check out my post higher up, the new one comes in 2 and 3 platter, both have the indents but one is a deeper indent, and the faster one (2 platter) has an engraved square barcode. thats the one you want to go for
   
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Default 12-20-2013, 06:11 | posts: 3,489 | Location: USA

I thinking one of these 2
WD1003FZEX

ST1000DM003

Might go for 2TB verison of one of the 2, Shall see after while of look around, if I stick with seagate or try something new
   
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Default 12-21-2013, 09:48 | posts: 24,205 | Location: NZ

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yo pill, check out my post higher up, the new one comes in 2 and 3 platter, both have the indents but one is a deeper indent, and the faster one (2 platter) has an engraved square barcode. thats the one you want to go for
Afaik the only non-enterprise 2TB HDD available is the ST2000DM001 which is 3 platter:







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I thinking one of these 2
WD1003FZEX

ST1000DM003

Might go for 2TB verison of one of the 2, Shall see after while of look around, if I stick with seagate or try something new
ST1000DM003 is 1TB, that's what the ST1000DM003 part means....

I think there were a few problems with the 3TB drives, no idea if they've been sorted out.

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Hi, ive been running a sata2 1.5tb Seagate baracuda since 2010 maybe earlier, was used as storage and also ran my games off it...never had any issues and it still runs like new although i now run my games off my WD velociraptor sata3 1tb drive which is also a fantastic drive although expensive but you get what you pay for
   
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Default 12-21-2013, 12:25 | posts: 24,205 | Location: NZ

After looking at Clawedge's link I realized I posted a pic of the 3TB Constellation when it should have been this one;

Indented





Sorry about that..

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yo pill, check out my post higher up, the new one comes in 2 and 3 platter, both have the indents but one is a deeper indent, and the faster one (2 platter) has an engraved square barcode. thats the one you want to go for
Hi you're right there are 2&3 platter versions but according to the datasheet they have the same density and transfer speed......

   
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I say best and second best standard drive, as there are better drives around, they just cost a lot more! (Enterprise drives)
Imo a great drive for 60.
   
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I think the best ones are the Toshiba's, as Eclap has mentioned. I have the 3 TB versions (DT01ACA300).



I say best and second best standard drive, as there are better drives around, they just cost a lot more! (Enterprise drives)
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Imo a great drive for 60.
Hate to tell you guys but I think your Toshiba's are actually rebranded Hitachi Deskstars which have a very high fail rate.

That may be why they were cheap.

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Most hard drives have similar fail rates. Seagate seem to produce the most unreliable drives atm. I've been rocking a Hitachi Deskstar 500gb drive for some years now, not a single problem. Do you have any proof/figures with these fail rates pill?

Edit: I could've had a 2tb Seagate for similar money, but I chose Toshiba.

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Most hard drives have similar fail rates. Seagate seem to produce the most unreliable drives atm. I've been rocking a Hitachi Deskstar 500gb drive for some years now, not a single problem. Do you have any proof/figures with these fail rates pill?
Yeah

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Eclap even your own newegg link tells the story...look at the reviews. Sorry mate.

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Default 12-21-2013, 19:36 | posts: 1,583 | Location: Earth

2 platter


3 platter


this should be called "plattergate"

more here
http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Desktop.../161924/page/5
   
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one more

   
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Got 2 of these suckers:



Any HDD with 1tb platters would be fastest in market today.
   
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Yeah

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Eclap even your own newegg link tells the story...look at the reviews. Sorry mate.
Newegg reviews what's next? Tech syndicate? Toms hardware? Newegg means nothing. Look up some Seagate drives on there, you'll get a lot of bad reviews. In fact, Seagate seems to be getting a lot of negative feedback everywhere you look. More so than other drives?
   
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Rough indicator of HDD reliability (component return rates):

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http://translate.googleusercontent.c...ques-durs.html

- Toshiba 1.15%
- Seagate 1.44% (against 1.65%)
- Western 1.55% (against 1.44%)
- Samsung 2.24% (against 1.30%)
- Hitachi 2.40% (against 3.45%)

We mixed all formats of hard drives, which allows the passage integrate Toshiba despite still low volume on 3.5 ". Latter ranks first. We also note the sharp rise in the rate of Samsung, and . contrario a beautiful fall Hitachi Here are 5 discs with the highest rate of return:

- 5.04% 1.5 TB WD Caviar Black (WD1502FAEX)
- 4.94% Hitachi 1TB 7K1000.C (HDS721010CLA332)
- 4.87% Hitachi 7K3000 2TB (HDS723020BLA642)
- 3.57% Seagate Barracuda 320GB (ST320DM001)
- 3.51% Red 2TB WD Caviar (WD20EFRX)

If we look more specifically the 2 TB drives are the figures obtained:

- 4.87% Hitachi 7K3000 (HDS723020BLA642)
- 3.51% WD Caviar Red (WD20EFRX)
- Samsung SpinPoint F4 3.01% (HD201UI)
- 2.12% WD Caviar RE4 (WD2003FYYS)
- 1.97% WD Caviar Black (WD2002FAEX)
- 1.95% Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST2000DM001)
- 1.30% WD Caviar Green (WD20EARX)
- 1.01% WD AV-GP (WD20EURS)

And 3 To:

- 2.85% WD Caviar Green (WD30EZRX)
- 2.71% Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (ST3000DM001)
- 1.89% WD Caviar Red (WD30EFRX)
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Statistics by brand based on a minimum sample of 500 sales by those models on a minimum sample of 100 sales, the largest volumes involving tens of thousands of parts by brand and thousands of pieces per model. Each time, we compared the rates obtained by the manufacturers to those of our previous article on the subject published in October 2012 .
Seagate did have a bad rep for reliability a few years back mainly due to faulty firmware that bricked certain models, but I think they're past that now.
   
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Newegg reviews what's next? Tech syndicate? Toms hardware? Newegg means nothing. Look up some Seagate drives on there, you'll get a lot of bad reviews. In fact, Seagate seems to be getting a lot of negative feedback everywhere you look. More so than other drives?
Well anyone who has ever worked in IT can tell you how bad Hitachi drives are, they have quite a reputation. Almost as bad as Maxtor. I've seen more dead DS drives than I can remember.
But anyway you asked for proof so I gave u the LMGTFY Deathstar link partly in jest....then on a whim I checked out your NewEgg link.

Now normally I take those reviews with a grain of salt but there's a limit to how much bad feedback one can ignore, even on newegg. lol
I mean jeez man nearly half the drives were either DOA or died prematurely. HALF! That says something....

I'm not trying to rub it in at all, just letting u know for next time... I understand that it sucks.


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one more
Just looked at those benchmarks again and I have to say they are totally skewed mate. The only time the speed dropped was when the r/w heads moved to a different platter, which takes a matter of milliseconds - 9999.99999% of the drive is well over 100MB/s.

So whoever posted those results either doesn't know how to interpret the data or else they're spreading FUD. There is nothing wrong with the transfer speed.

*PS can u plze reduce the size of your screeenshots.







@alanm: I meant to ask u this ages ago but forgot....are you from Seagate by any chance?

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Got 2 of these suckers:



Any HDD with 1tb platters would be fastest in market today.
Okay so according to AIDA64 my 2TB Seagate has 3 platters, however the read speed is normal.
Yes the min transfer rate was 88MB/s, but that was only for the last 100GB of the drive. The other 90% of the test it stayed between 100MB/s -210MB/s, so maybe the platters are smaller or maybe AIDA is wrong.

I'm happy though (and relieved lol).





I should add that I have 8 Seagate drives installed, oldest is 7yr old 7200.8 which still purrs....also got the infamous 7200.11, FW was updated when new so all good.

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