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Steve Ballmer: Longhorn-Vista was the "single biggest mistake I made
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Default Steve Ballmer: Longhorn-Vista was the "single biggest mistake I made - 12-12-2013, 07:34 | posts: 21,139 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Mary Jo Foley conducted what may be Steve Ballmer's final press interview while he is still CEO of Microsoft in late November. The major parts of that chat were posted today at CNN's Fortune website...

Steve Ballmer: Longhorn-Vista was the "single biggest mistake I made
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 07:52 | posts: 4,927 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

No.

Sorry, but next to 7 and 8, I'd say Vista is another OS that Microsoft got right, but ruined it for themselves by not listing to there customers.

Vista like 8, needed people to just learn a few new things (UAC for eg) and just like 8 and its metro titles, Vista was just plain annoying until it (UAC) was switched off.

Once the performance issues were ironed out, Vista was a fully perfect OS and much needed upgrade to XP and i kinda wished MS just waited out the storm with all the complaints (as they're doing with 8) and spent more time on Vista, thus having Win7 come out at a later time and being an even more of an upgrade, rather than just being Vista with a few new bells and whistles.

Still have Vista installed on a second HDD, i go back to it every now and then if i cant be bothered reinstalling something on my 7 partition.

Vista was great, and far better than any previous version ms has released since before... once the kinks were ironed out, just like Win8.

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Default 12-12-2013, 09:03 | posts: 751 | Location: France

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No.

Sorry, but next to 7 and 8, I'd say Vista is another OS that Microsoft got right, but ruined it for themselves by not listing to there customers.

Vista like 8, needed people to just learn a few new things (UAC for eg) and just like 8 and its metro titles, Vista was just plain annoying until it (UAC) was switched off.

Once the performance issues were ironed out, Vista was a fully perfect OS and much needed upgrade to XP and i kinda wished MS just waited out the storm with all the complaints (as they're doing with 8) and spent more time on Vista, thus having Win7 come out at a later time and being an even more of an upgrade, rather than just being Vista with a few new bells and whistles.

Still have Vista installed on a second HDD, i go back to it every now and then if i cant be bothered reinstalling something on my 7 partition.

Vista was great, and far better than any previous version ms has released since before... once the kinks were ironed out, just like Win8.
+1. The problem was also that Vista was targeting new hardware and people running XP on old machine was disappointed by the performance.
I only used Vista on a new configuration at that time and nothing was wrong from performance point of view.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 09:42 | posts: 181 | Location: Singapore

For me, Xbox and Windows 8 were the biggest mistakes Microsoft ever made.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 09:44 | posts: 54 | Location: England

See all I remember Vista doing for the 3 odd years I was using it was crashing repeatedly and not being able to tab out of processes.

In fact I remember defending it to my friend who was still on XP, then upgrading to 7 and within 3 days messaging him to say that I was totally wrong and vista was so awfully terrible by comparison that I was probably wrong about it being better than XP by extension.

But then again, it's been so damn long since I used XP I can't remember if that was any good as well, all I can think about is how much better 7 is than vista.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 09:58 | posts: 571 | Location: UK

Vista was fine, never had a problem with it as ive had decent hardware. 7 was essentially Servicepack 3 for Vista.

I think Ballmers biggest mistake was taking windows 8 and not giving users the choice on their interface. The OS is nice but forcing the tablet specific UI parts and everything down everyones throat was a mistake, theyve rectified that partly with 8.1 but theres still alot of annoyances in win 8.1 that just shouldnt be there.

Nothing Ballmer did will ever be as bad as Windows ME.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 10:06 | posts: 4,927 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

windows me. holly crap.

I remember making dbz music video on ME using movie maker. The audio would pop after a few replays when testing vid/audio sync and the only way too fix was to save, exit and reload.

ME, wow, got into q3a along with mods for it(bid for power, anyone?) and playing snes games for the first time. IBM 667mhz intel celeron and 64mb of ram, 20gb hdd.

The memories.

ME was ****.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 10:26 | posts: 3,798 | Location: The Netherlands

I had Vista 64-Bit XtremeGamer Version for quite a while, never caused problems.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 10:39 | posts: 24,039 | Location: NZ

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Mary Jo Foley conducted what may be Steve Ballmer's final press interview while he is still CEO of Microsoft in late November. The major parts of that chat were posted today at CNN's Fortune website...

Steve Ballmer: Longhorn-Vista was the "single biggest mistake I made
This is true, Longhorn was his biggest mistake
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Vista 32 chugged along like a slow moving train. Longhorn also lacked decent driver support from hardware vendors....

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Default 12-12-2013, 10:47 | posts: 1,746 | Location: Northampton, United Kingdom

When I first got my Q6600 and 4GB of RAM, I went over to Vista x64 and I had zero problems with it. It was faster in my opinion than XP and never crashed or suffered performance issues. I never understood the hate, mainly by those who upgraded from XP to it. Either they did it wrong or they did it on older spec XP machines. I always thought Vista was designed for new PCs at the time?
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 10:53 | posts: 24,039 | Location: NZ

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When I first got my Q6600 and 4GB of RAM, I went over to Vista x64 and I had zero problems with it. It was faster in my opinion than XP and never crashed or suffered performance issues. I never understood the hate, mainly by those who upgraded from XP to it. Either they did it wrong or they did it on older spec XP machines. I always thought Vista was designed for new PCs at the time?
Yeah the 64bit version wasn't too bad but most systems (nearly all OEM) had Vista 32. And it was a DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG.

The other single biggest complaint from users was UAC.
I've personally witnessed office workers jumping from high rise buildings after the "do you wish to allow this change" dialogue box appeared one time too many.

True story. And very sad.

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Default 12-12-2013, 12:03 | posts: 1,568

GFWL is a bigger mistake.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 12:28 | posts: 7,131 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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For me, Xbox and Windows 8 were the biggest mistakes Microsoft ever made.
Xbox was able to compete with rival consoles within 2 generations. It also spurred a number of significant changes in terms of multiplayer interface design on the consoles. Something tells me Ballmer is probably pretty happy with xbox.

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GFWL is a bigger mistake.
Yeah a minor annoyance with a product that probably effects less than hundred million people is a bigger mistake than Microsoft's multi-billion dollar product having god awful sales and tarnishing brand reputation.

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Default 12-12-2013, 12:34 | posts: 6,802 | Location: 127.0.0.1

That interview was months ago, I remember reading he said that way before November

EDIT - August
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-c...-windows-vista
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 14:04 | posts: 366 | Location: Lithuania

He is The biggest mistake.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 15:18 | posts: 428 | Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia

Vista was an absolute piece of junk until SP1 came out which fixed a ton of the issues. Those of you who liked vista had obviously not used the unpatched original version.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 16:56 | posts: 4,786 | Location: Washington DC

The unpatched original version was not that bad if you had a powerful machine.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 17:05 | posts: 16,495 | Location: US East Coast

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Vista was an absolute piece of junk until SP1 came out which fixed a ton of the issues. Those of you who liked vista had obviously not used the unpatched original version.
I had Vista installed on launch day and had fewer issues with it than I did from XP at launch. My memory of XP may be a bit tainted due to my overall experience with it though.


   
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Default 12-12-2013, 17:24 | posts: 6,802 | Location: 127.0.0.1

I had problems with Vista from start to finish, hated that OS with a passion

Same machine with Windows 7, no issues

In fact, the pre-release leaks of Win 7 solved 90% of the issues I had with Vista
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 17:33 | posts: 1,573

He is wrong the big mistake is windows 8 8.1
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 17:39 | posts: 1,509 | Location: Pennsylvania

To Be Honest Mr Ballmer your biggest mistake was not Windows Vista its Windows 8. Also The problem with Vista was the lack of drivers. And performance issues which SP1 fixed.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 17:47 | posts: 244 | Location: Southern Cal

Um no. Vista was buggy, but it wasn't plain ridiculous the way that 8 is. You can fix bugs, you can't fix the whole UI system of Win 8. It needs to be trashed
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 18:00 | posts: 2,140 | Location: far,far from home

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Yeah the 64bit version wasn't too bad but most systems (nearly all OEM) had Vista 32. And it was a DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG.
Add to that mix old hardware and piss poor drivers support and you can have half office staff commiting suicide.
Anyone fixed a sharing printer between Xp and Vista problem?You will understand

Yeah,anything above x32 HomePremium was better.
Had x64 Vista Bussines Edition and it was good,until upgraded to W 7
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 18:13 | posts: 1,509 | Location: Pennsylvania

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GFWL is a bigger mistake.
You got that right man. I bought the 2 Batman Games (Arkham Aslyum and City) for PC on steam and turns out to huge mistake on my part because the games refuse to save my progress.
   
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Default 12-12-2013, 21:32 | posts: 136 | Location: Istanbul

wow, I still use Vista. And you have a lot of choices within Vista. You can enable/disable welcome window, turn on/off sidebar and UAC, use aero with or without tranparency or classic theme, you can use classic start menu or the new one and so on. It was really "Windows reimagined" after XP with calendar, gadgets, defender, sidebar, 64-bit, a new theme, new icons, superfetch, readyboost etc. I think gfwl is the biggest mistake undoubtedly and win. 8.1 start button is teh second. oh man that button or "thing" is really fake. even if you change the place of the taskbar it's still there :S

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