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Default AMD out of CPU business!? - 12-04-2013, 01:19 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

http://www.techpowerup.com/195355/vi...s-roadmap.html


We'd feared something like this would happen for some time now, but leaked AMD product roadmaps confirmed it that AMD FX "Vishera" is the last line of CPUs from AMD. The company will only focus on APUs from here onward, and at the very most, one could expect CPU core counts to go up from their current quad-core stale-meat since A-series "Llano," which will continue into the 2014 A-Series "Kaveri," too.

The alleged AMD roadmap slide leaked to the web by ProHardver.hu points out that socket AM3+ "Vishera" will exist on AMD's product stack for as far as AMD's eye can see - looking deep into even 2015. Unless AMD is planning on hanging its towel with AM3+, it wouldn't mark its roadmap slide out in this way. 2015 will see the introduction of "Carrizo," an APU that succeeds "Kaveri," which will be based on future-generation "Excavator" CPU micro-architecture, and a future-generation GPU architecture, along with full HSA programming model implementation. "Kabini" will have its spell running into mid-2014, at which point "Beema" will succeed it.


Unless AMD is planning on 6-core, and 8-core APUs with "Carrizo," (we know that "Kaveri" is neither,) the roadmap reveals that AMD has given up on making processors that are pricier than $150. The company could focus its client products division onto APUs and GPUs, while multi-core processors could be kept alive by the enterprise products division under the Opteron banner, although we've not seen roadmaps to back that theory.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:24 | posts: 10,727 | Location: Finland

They are probably waiting for DDR4 before they out their next high end CPUs. They will probably end up using only one socket in the future.

Majority of Intel CPUs have integrated GPU too. Next high end AMD CPUs might too.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:32 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

Honestly I can see them leaving the CPU market and focusing on APU market also GPU's as well.

But we all know the down side that will or could come with that.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:37 | posts: 8,844 | Location: The Zone

I wouldn't say they're quitting the CPU business just because their conventional "high end" processor line is being phased out. It's not like an APU always has to be a low end product. Take the 4770K for example, it has integrated graphics and is an amazing CPU on top of that.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:39 | posts: 12,871 | Location: USA

There is no downside. Intel hasn't had any competition in the desktop market in over 7 years. They've had ample opportunity to raise CPU prices and haven't done so. So If AMD did drop out, I can pretty much guarantee prices are going to remain the same.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:42 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

^ your right ,there really has not been any competition for a good while now.
   
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could be bad intel will be only cpu company left in the game that makes desktop cpu this would be bad for prices, and even worse for R&D
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:48 | posts: 8,844 | Location: The Zone

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could be bad intel will be only cpu company left in the game that makes desktop cpu this would be bad for prices, and even worse for R&D
Not true. Intel is in a race against ARM right now, so the pace of technology isn't going to slow down one bit. However, the traditional "enthusiast market" might certainly become neglected.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 01:52 | posts: 6,861 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Why?

I see SteamRoller, Excavator.. Its just in hybrid form kinda like intel is been doing since Sb in mainstream..

Guess they saw a big interest in huma and that needs extra igpu for it. I just hope those Rollers and Excavators are gonna be 8core cpus.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 02:23 | posts: 336

Bulldozer was supposed to be the last solo cpu from AMD. Komodo was supposed to be released in 2012 with integrated DX 11 graphics. So AMD is two years late in offering nothing but an apu. This was from November of2010.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,2790-7.html

Edit: This just states that they were able to garner more cash flow from the "plain" cpu market longer than expected.

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Default 12-04-2013, 02:26 | posts: 5,128 | Location: FLA,USA

I don't see this as a big deal AMD has not really had anything with the FX line. Now imagine an APU with 8 steamroller "cores" and 12-16 GCN cores (768-1024 shaders) that would be a killer setup and able to hybrid CF with a discreet GPU. The APU department is much more promising at the moment for AMD than the CPU department.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 04:24 | posts: 2,905 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

I am not really surprised by this, and its pretty much what I feared. Good thing I jumped on the 8320 while it was on sale lol. No point in wasting time waiting for Steamroller to roll around

For me to have any interest in Steamroller or beyond, it would have to be 6 cores or more. I doubt the IPC of the SR modules will be good enough to make them blaze like a strong i5 can. It is the multi-threading that makes this architecture perform and with 4 cores or less, I don't see it breaking any records.

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Default 12-04-2013, 05:14 | posts: 16,059 | Location: US East Coast

AMD isn't giving up on CPUs....lol. An APU is still a CPU. Just ask Intel.


   
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Default 12-04-2013, 11:47 | posts: 20,451 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Blimey you guys stop panicking ...

Intel essentially has got an APU ever since Sandy Bridge, these are just named processors.

Yes AMD is shifting away from 'raw' processors without an IGP, but they are intensifying processors with an IGP. So both Intel and AMD have APUs now. The challenge for AMD will be to get the processor side of the APU faster though.


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Default 12-04-2013, 11:55 | posts: 4,616 | Location: Not Far North Enough (England)

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Blimey you guys stop panicking ...

Intel essentially has got an APU ever since Sandy Bridge, these are just named processors.

Yes AMD is shifting away from 'raw' processors without an IGP, but they are intensifying processors with an IGP. So both Intel and AMD have APUs now. The challenge for AMD will be to get the processor side of the APU faster though.
Aren't we expecting a significant jump in performance with Kabini?
   
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Aren't we expecting a significant jump in performance with Kabini?
It is (should be) significant, but Intel is 2x as fast per core right now in the i7 segment. Then again, on the IGP side, AMD hauls azzz.


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Default 12-04-2013, 12:22 | posts: 8,692 | Location: UK

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There is no downside. Intel hasn't had any competition in the desktop market in over 7 years. They've had ample opportunity to raise CPU prices and haven't done so. So If AMD did drop out, I can pretty much guarantee prices are going to remain the same.
Yeah, since the core 2 duos came out all them years ago, AMD have been out of it, so can't see this making a difference, as if Intel were going to move, by jacking up prices etc...., they would have done it long before now.
   
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Default 12-04-2013, 12:42 | posts: 772 | Location: UK

All this about no competition is simply not true!

Lots of people on these forums have AMD cpus. Lots of people everywhere have AMD cpus. Why? Because they do compete in a certain sector of the market.

If AMD stop making CPUs, the speed of new CPU development by Intel will slow to a crawl and prices of CPUS will go up, absolutely no question about it.

If AMD drop out, the next rival to Intel will come from the East.
   
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Default 12-05-2013, 02:54 | posts: 558 | Location: The GWN

I have both an FX-8350 and an A10-5800k + 7790.
The FX was to be my main rig and the A10 a multipurpose server.
I've found myself running the A10 as my main machine 24/7 and the FX is shut down.
   
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Default 12-05-2013, 03:04 | posts: 4,645 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

Seems smart imo, i mean whats intel released of late thats of any real perf increase, sure you can pack some new features in there, but really.


2600k represent!!!

In saying that though, ive never read into api's so dont really have a clue as to what im talking about.

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Default 12-05-2013, 04:06 | posts: 3,715 | Location: Australia

The excavator architecture looks very promising, AMD just needs to improve the process tech, which is possibly in the works currently under that alliance. Excavator needs to be, at worst, 20 nm, although 16 nm is possible and be better. With the better process you could realistically do 8 or even 10 cores, and have gpu. DDR4, PCIE-4, SATA express built in and the ability to mix gpu's, even in the spirit of lucid MVP style, they'd have a real winner. Unfortunately I wouldn't see them doing this, or having access yet to AVX3.2.
   
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Default 12-08-2013, 22:59 | posts: 501 | Location: France

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could be bad intel will be only cpu company left in the game that makes desktop cpu this would be bad for prices, and even worse for R&D
not necessary the world have changed a lot since this vision of economy...

if consumer have 200$ in the pocket if you sell a 250$ product then you won't sell it and earn 0$.

main exemple is car a General Motorist (GM lol) who sell a car around 3000$ in emergent country and sell the same car at 12000$ in my country, just because we might be more rich (both come the factory in the emergent country of course).
   
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This on ASUS site....

   
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Default 12-09-2013, 03:20 | posts: 621

AMD has been fighting a two sided battle for quite some time with both of their competitors being bigger entities than they are. Overall they have been doing a pretty darn good job considering they are in the GPU and CPU market while Nividia and Intel solely(with a few exceptions) concentrate either in one or the other. Now, considering AMD have been contracted by all three Console makers, Im sure their growth as a company will be bright.
   
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If AMD stop making CPUs, the speed of new CPU development by Intel will slow to a crawl and prices of CPUS will go up, absolutely no question about it..
Intel scientist are on molecular level that amd cant catch...(scientist never stop)....
   
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