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Default NSA has access to internal Google and Yahoo networks - 11-01-2013, 07:08 | posts: 20,525 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Its and endless story as new documentsreveal more NSA snoops on the Internet. The Washington Post writes the agency operates a program called MUSCULAR, which reportedly copies "entire data flows...

NSA has access to internal Google and Yahoo networks
   
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Won't be long before they go rogue entirely
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 09:20 | posts: 23,251 | Location: Hoek van Holland, Netherlands

Well they are spying on everything, people at home and governments. Their main motives are 911. heard the boss just say it on TV.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 09:29 | posts: 6,575 | Location: Dubai

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Well they are spying on everything, people at home and governments. Their main motives are 911. heard the boss just say it on TV.
Who? The Illusive Man?
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 10:44 | posts: 102

**** this NSA organisation to hell. What gives this ****ing US organisation the RIGHT to snoop on the rest of the planet? Big brother and its like ALWAYS has an excuse for being above the law. Similar to the gestapos excuse or their russian equivalent years ago - the excuse of terrorism and national security. They can snoop on all Americans who gave them the power all they want but nobody in the rest of the world wants ANYTHING to do with these mother****ers.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 14:28 | posts: 1,383 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

/a bit off topic

When a kid is raped, killed, lost, or those happens to a human being either friend, family, relative, or your kid is talking to an online predator or something, when it happens to us we wish we could have done something to prevent it. Anything.

E.g given my kid gets lost in the mall or even worse, TAKEN. I would give ANYTHING to had a tracking device on it or something. A watch, a phone, a chip(too scifi?). Anything.

Or a teenager gets lost/abducted or about to be raped and doesn't answer calls, and the police manages to track down the teenager just before something happens.

Does it really have to happen to someone before people know it feels and take precautions and wish for a better/safer or at least a bit more controlled world?

I'm not talking iRobot or Demolition Man like control, but something better/safer at least.

I get way to worked up over this things. I hope you get my point. I meant it in a good way.

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Default 11-01-2013, 14:32 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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**** this NSA organisation to hell. What gives this ****ing US organisation the RIGHT to snoop on the rest of the planet? Big brother and its like ALWAYS has an excuse for being above the law. Similar to the gestapos excuse or their russian equivalent years ago - the excuse of terrorism and national security. They can snoop on all Americans who gave them the power all they want but nobody in the rest of the world wants ANYTHING to do with these mother****ers.
You could always hide in a bunker? Who cares? Really I mean it makes no difference to your life at all. Unless you plan on doing bad things to counties, then you should be very worried.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 14:41 | posts: 1,383 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

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You could always hide in a bunker? Who cares? Really I mean it makes no difference to your life at all. Unless you plan on doing bad things to counties, then you should be very worried.
EXACTLY. It affects no one's everydays life's. Not in the SLIGHTEST. If 60 years passed from now and people didn't know that they were doing it, it wouldn't affect their lives at ALL.

I dont support them ofcourse but if good things can come out of it, then be my guest. E.g like prevent a bombing, attack, killed, murder or something.

Do people really want a 911 again? A bombing, a mass killing? There will always be very bad people trying to do very bad things. They were always around and they will be around for quite a while. It's in the human nature unfortunately.

People should just concentrate on their lives and family or work or whatever and how to improve them, being happier/better humans being, concentrate on this planet/environment and how to make this place a little better first and then the rest.

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Default 11-01-2013, 14:55 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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EXACTLY. It affects no one's everydays life's. Not in the SLIGHTEST. If 60 years passed from now and people didn't know that they were doing it, it wouldn't affect their lives at ALL.

I dont support them ofcourse but if good things can come out of it, then be my guest. E.g like prevent a bombing, attack, killed, murder or something.

Do people really want a 911 again? A bombing, a mass killing? There will always be very bad people trying to do very bad things. They were always around and they will be around for quite a while. It's in the human nature unfortunately.

People should just concentrate on their lives and family or work or whatever and how to improve them, being happier/better humans being, concentrate on this planet/environment and how to make this place a little better first and then the rest.
People should be more scared of how easy it is to spy on anyone via Facebook, yet I see no one complaining about it.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 16:30 | posts: 1,130 | Location: UK

The most effective pwn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 16:39 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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The most effective pwn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard.
Or the 'enlightened' pwn knows he is used as a puppet but doesn't care.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 16:41 | posts: 1,696 | Location: BBQ Capital of the World

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/a bit off topic

When a kid is raped, killed, lost, or those happens to a human being either friend, family, relative, or your kid is talking to an online predator or something, when it happens to us we wish we could have done something to prevent it. Anything.

E.g given my kid gets lost in the mall or even worse, TAKEN. I would give ANYTHING to had a tracking device on it or something. A watch, a phone, a chip(too scifi?). Anything.

Or a teenager gets lost/abducted or about to be raped and doesn't answer calls, and the police manages to track down the teenager just before something happens.

Does it really have to happen to someone before people know it feels and take precautions and wish for a better/safer or at least a bit more controlled world?

I'm not talking iRobot or Demolition Man control, but something better/safer at least.

I get way to worked up over this things. I hope you get my point. I meant it in a good way.
you can't prevent everything. it's called reality and it hurts, is cruel and not covered in bubblewrap.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 16:45 | posts: 982 | Location: milkyway/earth

all it takes is expense, great company with checks included then you're off the hook.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 16:57 | posts: 8,905 | Location: The Zone

Information = power. Anyone who thinks this is harmless and won't be abused is a bit naive. I'm not a conspiracy believer by any means, but I think it's pretty clear the Western World is letting its rights slip away one at a time, piece by piece and setting themselves up for something quite terrifying.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 17:02 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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Information = power. Anyone who thinks this is harmless and won't be abused is a bit naive. I'm not a conspiracy believer by any means, but I think it's pretty clear the Western World is letting its rights slip away one at a time, piece by piece and setting themselves up for something quite terrifying.
If you really started thinking about it, you would start to become scared. Why do we get paid so much money? Just what do we spend the money on? Why technology of course! Slowly we are becoming machines.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 17:09 | posts: 503 | Location: France

they said it is for a better security, then why they never use it in case of child missing?...

you said that if you have nothing to hide you doesn't have to be worried... then imagine that most people in the world have oposite interest than the USA... are we criminal if we don't have the same vision of the world?

And most of all why spy alied country as Germany, France...

the NSA program is only for intelligence and control mases.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 17:12 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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they said it is for a better security, then why they never use it in case of child missing?...

you said that if you have nothing to hide you doesn't have to be worried... then imagine that most people in the world have oposite interest than the USA... are we criminal if we don't have the same vision of the world?

And most of all why spy alied country as Germany, France...

the NSA program is only for intelligence and control mases.
Don't believe everything you see or hear. No country is a saint, they all do exactly the same the US does, just on a smaller scale. It's all about power and, who has the most of it. China and Russia are in a massive power struggle with the US to see who comes out top dog.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 17:20 | posts: 8,905 | Location: The Zone

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If you really started thinking about it, you would start to become scared. Why do we get paid so much money? Just what do we spend the money on? Why technology of course! Slowly we are becoming machines.
I'm fine with our ultimate machine integration phase Ala Deus Ex, but only if we get to the stage where all cultures are integrated peacefully and not subverted by who has the most power (Aka the scenario we're headed for currently). Otherwise it's not unlikely there won't be some "mysterious plague" that kills 2/3rds of the population of the planet while mysteriously leaving a certain country mostly intact. It sounds ridiculous now, but once again, information is power. It's not like similar things haven't happened in the past. We're all heavily Mongolian as a result of the first instance.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 17:23 | posts: 3,211 | Location: UK

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I'm fine with our ultimate machine integration phase Ala Deus Ex, but only if we get to the stage where all cultures are integrated peacefully and not subverted by who has the most power (Aka the scenario we're headed for currently). Otherwise it's not unlikely there won't be some "mysterious plague" that kills 2/3rds of the population of the planet while mysteriously leaving a certain country mostly intact. It sounds ridiculous now, but once again, information is power. It's not like similar things haven't happened in the past. We're all heavily Mongolian as a result of the first instance.
We are either all going to kill each other (likely) or something happens that will create peace in the world. I know which one I'm going for.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 18:30 | posts: 1,696 | Location: BBQ Capital of the World

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We are either all going to kill each other (likely) or something happens that will create peace in the world. I know which one I'm going for.
i know which one is going to happen first.
   
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Information = power. Anyone who thinks this is harmless and won't be abused is a bit naive. I'm not a conspiracy believer by any means, but I think it's pretty clear the Western World is letting its rights slip away one at a time, piece by piece and setting themselves up for something quite terrifying.
Conversely, the opposite is also true. Fully anonymity only benefits the corrupt or dangerous. If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.
   
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Conversely, the opposite is also true. Fully anonymity only benefits the corrupt or dangerous. If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about.
both are equally bad.
   
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Default 11-01-2013, 19:20 | posts: 439 | Location: Xylanthia

if yahoo AND google work cooperatively.....whist ebay too....and amongst others..... i dnt think it's a threat.....

Lodge No. ??????
   
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Default 11-02-2013, 02:45 | posts: 790

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When a kid is raped, killed, lost, or those happens to a human being either friend, family, relative, or your kid is talking to an online predator or something, when it happens to us we wish we could have done something to prevent it.
And the NSA activities have what to do with something separate entirely? What, you think they're going to actively watch people's chatlogs and be able to send out a swat team minutes before an abduction to stop it? Assuming the case of an online predator, it's not like the victim's pc wouldn't have a ton of chatlogs and web cache to be recovered from the hard drive. And it's not like they don't have other measures in place for this type of stuff.

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Don't believe everything you see or hear. No country is a saint, they all do exactly the same the US does, just on a smaller scale. It's all about power and, who has the most of it. China and Russia are in a massive power struggle with the US to see who comes out top dog.
^ Yep.
   
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Default 11-02-2013, 19:27 | posts: 142 | Location: Portugal

Just this: Cloud computing for the win...
   
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