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Default EIZO FORIS FG2421 240 Hz Gaming Monitor - 10-30-2013, 08:39 | posts: 21,698 | Location: Guru3D testlab

EIZO Corporation today announced the 23.5-inch FORIS FG2421, the world's first gaming monitor with a 240 Hz refresh rate. The FORIS FG2421 also features a low input lag and gaming preset modes that w...

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Default 10-30-2013, 09:02 | posts: 10,068 | Location: Sweden

So it's a 120Hz that uses some trick to effectively double that so it looks like 240Hz?

No idea what VN panel is either, I guess this is still a sort of TN though but I don't know these things all that well.

Will be nice to see IPS or better with 120Hz though, one day.
(LED, OLED or whatever might be around by then.)
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 09:51 | posts: 3,840 | Location: The Netherlands

VA is very sensitive to pressure and heat.

Anyways, i need to get rid of my EIZO EV2436W because the IPS Glow is distracting in Games with dark areas. I will probably end up getting the CX240 depending on the noise of the cooling fans.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 10:32 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

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So it's a 120Hz that uses some trick to effectively double that so it looks like 240Hz?

No idea what VN panel is either, I guess this is still a sort of TN though but I don't know these things all that well.

Will be nice to see IPS or better with 120Hz though, one day.
(LED, OLED or whatever might be around by then.)
I hate IPS panels , i had one and quickly swaped it for PVA display.
IPS have this horrible glow(bulish kinda).

In my oponion IPS panels are not suitable for gams or watching movies because of terrible black which glows , someone who had IPS will know what i'm talking about.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 10:46 | posts: 10,068 | Location: Sweden

The panel shouldn't have that effect from what little I know at least (And there's various types of IPS too.) so that should have been more about it's calibration and such but again my knowledge about these things is pretty limited.

Seems I was wrong with that previous post as well, monitor does look to be quite good actually, at least according to this.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1383107475

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Default 10-30-2013, 11:03 | posts: 2,387 | Location: Netherlands

For about €500 this is a really nice EIZO monitor.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 11:22 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

I my self have EIZO screen, no doubt about their quality but i rather have worse panel latency than bad black colour , for me this is top priority.

This panel is VA , my FS2331 has VA panel and it's excellent , in this one they improved latency(this is ONLY flaw i found in my monitor) so its even better.

I would never trade VA/PVA for IPS panel, belieave it will have glow , i seen at least couple monitors with IPS, different types.

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Black depth was one of the parameters that we were excited to examine on FG2421 because VA panels are known to produce very deep blacks compared to TN panels and especially IPS panels that generally produce very weak blacks. So it came as no big surprise to us that that we measured black depth to 0.03 cd/m2, but we are still thrilled about the result. Compare that to the best IPS panels or 120 Hz TN panels that hover around 0.12 - 0.20 cd/m2.

You might think that it is a minor difference, but in practical use it is very significant. Especially when working in a dark room or watching dim and scary movies or games. The very impressive black depth adds dimension and vividness to pictures. It really does improve picture quality and we think that a lot of gamers will appreciate this in certain types of games, for example role playing games. The FG2421 is not the first monitor to reach these levels of black depth, far from, but it is the first to combine it with 120 Hz for gaming. It truly is a small revolution in gaming monitors.
Sums it up very well

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Default 10-30-2013, 11:39 | posts: 8,522 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Well I have FS2333 model and its not bad.

But I agree there is a difference, (P)VA has better contrast/darks. My old monitor was s-pva and its the first thing I noticed.



I wish Eizo would have released this monitor 1 year ago, I would pick this FG2421, well probably.. 500€ is a bit expensive

HDMI: 15 - 100 kHz, 23 - 122 Hz
DVI: 31 - 138 kHz, 59 - 122 Hz
DisplayPort: 31 - 138 kHz, 49 - 122 Hz

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Default 10-30-2013, 12:02 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

What happens when you play on 120Hz flat screen and have lets say 80FPS ?
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 12:08 | posts: 8,522 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Nothing, I guess less tearing with vsync off... At least that's what i see if fps drop ~40-50fps vs ~62-67fps
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 12:10 | posts: 3,840 | Location: The Netherlands

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I would never trade VA/PVA for IPS panel, belieave it will have glow , i seen at least couple monitors with IPS, different types.
That's what i experience myself at the moment with my EV2436W. The IPS Glow in corners is extremely distracting.

I came from a EIZO S2231W which was S-PVA - CCFL.

Just a shame this FORIS ain't 16:10.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 12:15 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

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That's what i experience myself at the moment with my EV2436W. The IPS Glow in corners is extremely distracting.

I came from a EIZO S2231W which was S-PVA - CCFL.

Just a shame this FORIS ain't 16:10.
Not a problem for me but i can imagine it's a problem for some people.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 14:23 | posts: 3,840 | Location: The Netherlands

After reading the FlatPanel review i guess it can be compared to my old EIZO S2231W which uses an S-PVA Panel?

No annoying Glow like IPS right?
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 15:08 | posts: 3,642 | Location: Poland

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After reading the FlatPanel review i guess it can be compared to my old EIZO S2231W which uses an S-PVA Panel?

No annoying Glow like IPS right?
Nope , you wont see that on VA(and variations) panels.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 15:54 | posts: 1,373 | Location: Australia, QLD

At least things are finally moving away from horrible TN panels! All this needs is 27" and 1440p and it would be absolutely incredible.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 17:58 | posts: 5,542 | Location: Belgium

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What happens when you play on 120Hz flat screen and have lets say 80FPS ?
Not ideal but it still feels better then 80 fps on a 60 Hz monitor.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 18:16 | posts: 1,401 | Location: Portugal

Hum this is more of a marketing scheme. The truth is the human eye still can see the downfall of interlaced video, particularly half the lines missing on a refresh when looking at fast moving objects on the screen. So, if (i didnīt read the story btw) this monitor is intended for gaming it kind of shots himself in the foot to those who know the basics about how hardware works. Sure, a not so knowledge kid who thinks that bigger is better will look at this and think itīs the best thing ever but oh well ignorance is a easy way to exploit some dollars.
   
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Default 10-30-2013, 18:42 | posts: 1,322 | Location: UK

Basically priced themselves out of the very market they are trying to attract.

It's analogous to being a politician and condoning legalizing hemp for personal usage. The people who would vote for this, unfortunately cannot be bothered to leave the confines of their living room and probably don't even register to vote in the first place.

The politician loses votes on both sides as a result.

So here Eizo are; trying to make a high-refresh gaming monitor by pricing themselves out of reach.

Srsly...

Gimme the option for a decent panel and high refresh rate and then make it too expensive and not even proper 24" or 27" to boot.

'Grats on screwing this up royally, because looking at the competition you got no chance Eizo...
   
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Until patents are lifted we'll always face unsatisfactory results, how can innovation progress when every tech is tightly locked down..
   
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Default 10-31-2013, 01:44 | posts: 19

All monitors will totally inferior as soon as the first g-sync one comes out... gonna be so epic.... no more page tearing EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   
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All monitors will totally inferior as soon as the first g-sync one comes out... gonna be so epic.... no more page tearing EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praying for a good 1440p (more than 60hz) with g-sync mahself.
   
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Default 10-31-2013, 15:54 | posts: 46 | Location: TX

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I hate IPS panels , i had one and quickly swaped it for PVA display.
IPS have this horrible glow(bulish kinda).

In my oponion IPS panels are not suitable for gams or watching movies because of terrible black which glows , someone who had IPS will know what i'm talking about.
my korean IPS has no weird glow to it at all,I mean there is a tad backlight bleed on the edges,but its not anything you notice in game or browsing the web
   
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Default 10-31-2013, 18:43 | posts: 504

Must have been lucky. My ASUS PA248Q monitor does not have this bluish glow mentioned earlier. Would have to agree, it is all in the calibration.
   
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Must have been lucky. My ASUS PA248Q monitor does not have this bluish glow mentioned earlier. Would have to agree, it is all in the calibration.
No amount of Calibration can fix IPS Glow.
   
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Default 11-02-2013, 07:45 | posts: 3,696 | Location: UK

Viewing angles are something that should not bother gamers. They sit right in front of the panel.

But what does concern me is the input lag. What is the input lag on this monitor please? With or without black frames being added makes a difference?

Also if it is 10ms is that even noticeable?

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/monit...o-foris-fg2421
Lastly the review above stated "The FG2421 uses a VA panel, and VA panels typically display less accurate colours than other types of panel technology, but much deeper blacks. "

The colours are not as good as IPS? I thought the colours were meant to be great on these types of monitors. As good as IPS but much better than TN. Now I'm confused.
   
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