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Canonical Introduces Ubuntu 13.10
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Default Canonical Introduces Ubuntu 13.10 - 10-18-2013, 22:42 | posts: 1,172

Canonical recently announced the availability of Ubuntu 13.10 for desktop and smartphone. Ubuntu's first true mobile release delivers the streamlined core OS and mobile user interface that pave the w...

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Default 10-19-2013, 08:40 | posts: 6 | Location: Israel

Really nice to see you guys writing about Linux, maybe so benchmarks and tests for Linux would also come one day
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 11:04 | posts: 2,855 | Location: Barrie, ON Canada

Do you think they'll come up with a Crobuntu version soon for Chromebooks?
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 11:19 | posts: 142

Try it today
Not for average user
score for the OS 3/10
the big problem with UI
stupid ubuntu bar on left side that cannot move, unless you do some hacking
when window maximize, control menu jump top of the window
cannot change scroll speed, unless you do some typing in console
and another 20 other problems
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 11:38 | posts: 5,874 | Location: Dubai

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Try it today
Not for average user
score for the OS 3/10
the big problem with UI
stupid ubuntu bar on left side that cannot move, unless you do some hacking
when window maximize, control menu jump top of the window
cannot change scroll speed, unless you do some typing in console
and another 20 other problems
The reliance on terminal sure is annoying!
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 12:35 | posts: 106 | Location: Poland

my problems with ubuntu: installation and partitioning process is stupid (win8 uses 1 partition), no drivers or raw drivers without any options (no equalizer etc), grub is stupid, using terminal for any small change is just wrong, whole UI is just unusable - file explorer is horrible, lack of good software like i don't know a comfortable MUSIC PLAYER, annoying password input when installing software

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Default 10-19-2013, 12:48 | posts: 3,695

And still no Mir/XMir until probably next year due to "outstanding issues", at least on desktop.

No wonder Wayland people were so pissed when Canonical devs said they (Wayland devs) were slow to make Wayland works properly.
Karma's a b!tch, eh?




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Default 10-19-2013, 13:01 | posts: 948 | Location: Somewhere in Scotland

So the Salamander isn't all that Saucy, by the looks of it.
The last version I tried was 9.10 (Kooki Koala, or something like that).
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 13:44 | posts: 106 | Location: Poland

i tried to install 13.10 - at start ubuntu did "not detect any OS" installed itself and after reboot no ubuntu no grub, win8 booted - what a piece of ****
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 16:34 | posts: 497 | Location: Denmark

This version is not a big upgrade from 13.04 or even 12.10. The apps are updated and it's running on a new kernel. It does feel a bit more stable than 13.04 but that's pretty much it.
   
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Default 10-19-2013, 17:38 | posts: 3,695

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This version is not a big upgrade from 13.04 or even 12.10. The apps are updated and it's running on a new kernel. It does feel a bit more stable than 13.04 but that's pretty much it.
Mir/XMir was originally planned to be on this release.
It was the only thing worth the wait for 13.10 and then they pushed it back (again), so 13.10 is almost just like a 'Patch Tuesday' for 13.04.

Well at least they have their monetizing tool updated into Smart Scopes so...yay?

I personally use Ubuntu just for academical purposes these days, not a day-to-day Linux desktop.
That role has been exclusively reserved for Mint for almost a year now.




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Default 10-19-2013, 18:39 | posts: 15,602 | Location: US East Coast

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my problems with ubuntu: installation and partitioning process is stupid (win8 uses 1 partition), no drivers or raw drivers without any options (no equalizer etc), grub is stupid, using terminal for any small change is just wrong, whole UI is just unusable - file explorer is horrible, lack of good software like i don't know a comfortable MUSIC PLAYER, annoying password input when installing software
None of those "problems" are unique to Ubuntu. That's Linux in general....

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i tried to install 13.10 - at start ubuntu did "not detect any OS" installed itself and after reboot no ubuntu no grub, win8 booted - what a piece of ****
Do you have SecureBoot enabled by chance?


   
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Default 10-19-2013, 23:40 | posts: 106 | Location: Poland

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Default 10-20-2013, 06:34 | posts: 5,355

Sound blaster z and recon3d cards have no working linux drivers till now. So any avid linux users buying these sound cards may be stuck without sound for a long time by the looks of it.
   
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Default 10-20-2013, 06:45 | posts: 5,874 | Location: Dubai

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That role has been exclusively reserved for Mint for almost a year now.
I like Mint cinnamon because it resembles Windows 7 which makes it easy to use but I just can't get it to be stable for some reason
   
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Default 10-20-2013, 18:42 | posts: 251 | Location: Iran

For some reason I always wanted to install ubuntu but always ended up with Kubuntu on my systems that have Linux.
I don't knew why but always it was easier for me to understand and use Kubuntu
   
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Default 10-20-2013, 19:28 | posts: 3,695

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I like Mint cinnamon because it resembles Windows 7 which makes it easy to use but I just can't get it to be stable for some reason
It's probably the kernel's fault. =b

From my not-so-many experience with Linux distros, most of them will be rather unstable when being installed on a system with relatively new hardware generation.
Linux distros are usually more rock stable on systems with last-gen hardware or older.
If you want hardware support more than the generic one for the latest hardware, you usually have to compile the kernel yourself from nightlies. =b

If you have Nvidia cards, use the closed-source driver, not Noveau (the open-source alternative).
If you have AMD cards, use the open-source driver, not Catalyst.

Most distros, like Ubuntu-based ones such as Mint, use open-source drivers as a default.
So it usually trips out Nvidia users on the first few sessions until they figure it out, but works out of the box for AMD users.




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Default 10-20-2013, 19:34 | posts: 837 | Location: Kennesaw, GA

I was using 12.04 on my machines at home until I discovered Elementary OS. It is ubuntu at the core, but the UI makes more sense and it is far less bloated.

http://elementaryos.org/

It needs a few tweaks out of the box but once that is down the OS is downright speedy and fantastic.

http://elementaryupdate.com
   
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Default 10-20-2013, 22:57 | posts: 39 | Location: Coleman, OK

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I was using 12.04 on my machines at home until I discovered Elementary OS. It is ubuntu at the core, but the UI makes more sense and it is far less bloated.

http://elementaryos.org/

It needs a few tweaks out of the box but once that is down the OS is downright speedy and fantastic.

http://elementaryupdate.com
Nice I have to check it out
   
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I just wish they would scrap all useless distros and make one really good that could be used by beginners and professionals.
   
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Default 10-20-2013, 23:26 | posts: 4,818 | Location: 127.0.0.1

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I was using 12.04 on my machines at home until I discovered Elementary OS. It is ubuntu at the core, but the UI makes more sense and it is far less bloated.

http://elementaryos.org/

It needs a few tweaks out of the box but once that is down the OS is downright speedy and fantastic.

http://elementaryupdate.com
My Dear Watson!

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I like the installer look, reminds me of iOS a lot though

Actually it looks pretty nice once booted too, well polished

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I just wish they would scrap all useless distros and make one really good that could be used by beginners and professionals.
There are no "useless" distros.....except Linspire and Xandros...


   
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There are no "useless" distros.....except Linspire and Xandros...
That not true there are all useless after all there multiple distributions versions and other big problem is because of multiple distributions versions you end up with multiple application distributions installer versions with no common characteristics.
Don't get me wrong it has come long ways when I first play with it back in late 90's just before Slackware "96" 3.1 thank god it come out on CD I hated the Floppy ver 70+ disc.
   
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Default 10-21-2013, 02:43 | posts: 5,874 | Location: Dubai

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It's probably the kernel's fault. =b

From my not-so-many experience with Linux distros, most of them will be rather unstable when being installed on a system with relatively new hardware generation.
Linux distros are usually more rock stable on systems with last-gen hardware or older.
If you want hardware support more than the generic one for the latest hardware, you usually have to compile the kernel yourself from nightlies. =b

If you have Nvidia cards, use the closed-source driver, not Noveau (the open-source alternative).
If you have AMD cards, use the open-source driver, not Catalyst.

Most distros, like Ubuntu-based ones such as Mint, use open-source drivers as a default.
So it usually trips out Nvidia users on the first few sessions until they figure it out, but works out of the box for AMD users.
But i always install them in vmware player. I don't think my hardware makes any difference and Ubuntu did not have any stability issues. Mint would do strange things like not boot at all after updates or lock up completely without any errors.
   
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Default 10-21-2013, 10:27 | posts: 3,695

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But i always install them in vmware player. I don't think my hardware makes any difference and Ubuntu did not have any stability issues. Mint would do strange things like not boot at all after updates or lock up completely without any errors.
Like I said, probably due to having different kernel employed and/or default driver sets.
Doesn't matter if you're using VMWare or not, because it's still a case of two distros being installed on the same hardware config but one of them is rather unstable.

Just because Mint is based on Ubuntu doesn't mean they'd behave the same.
If anything both of them have their roots on Debian, and it's not a guarantee they'd both be as rock-solid as Debian.




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