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Default Steam Machines Prototype Details Revealed - 10-05-2013, 09:46 | posts: 20,517 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Valve has announced the specs of their 300 Prototypes they are sending out.The 300 prototype units will ship with the following components: GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760...

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Default 10-05-2013, 12:17 | posts: 126 | Location: on planet earth

The question is, how expensive it will be, considering those are all new graphics cards and some of the cpus
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 12:35 | posts: 1,266 | Location: Portugal

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The question is, how expensive it will be, considering those are all new graphics cards and some of the cpus
I can´t see a unit with a titan being cheap. I´m actually surprised to see a titan on this thing.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 12:36 | posts: 3,209 | Location: UK

The price needs to attractive for people to buy. So something in the region of £200/$300 price point, otherwise it's not going to sell.
   
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The price needs to attractive for people to buy. So something in the region of £200/$300 price point, otherwise it's not going to sell.
I'd be surprised if they get even anywhere close to £200/$300 for these things given the specs. I reckon all of the examples mentioned will be over £600.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 12:46 | posts: 263 | Location: far away from u

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The price needs to attractive for people to buy. So something in the region of £200/$300 price point, otherwise it's not going to sell.
As far as i remember it is supposed to be standard PC under Steam logo. I doubt that the weakest options will cost less than £300 just to play some indy games.
I would not invest my money in this.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 12:56 | posts: 795 | Location: ND - US

I'm surprised that they're using full sized video cards. A Titan has to be pretty close to the size of a compact HTPC just on it's own.

I take it this means that we can expect a Steambox that is slightly larger than an fat style 360? Unless of course they manage to shrink down all that horsepower into something closer to a Wii/WiiU. Then again, maybe I'm clueless and this was never supposed to be a compact PC.

I'm guessing in the $800 range as well for the Titan equivalent. Unless they made one hell of a deal with Nvidia. Maybe $500 for a less powerful model. I guess it all comes down to how much they can talk the manufacturers down.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 13:29 | posts: 1,529 | Location: shropshire,UK

Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high...considering that they have to fit a psu in there aswell(unless its external) its gonna be mini itx or similar or maybe a titan m chip for laptops.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 13:54 | posts: 106

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I'm surprised that they're using full sized video cards. A Titan has to be pretty close to the size of a compact HTPC just on it's own.

I take it this means that we can expect a Steambox that is slightly larger than an fat style 360? Unless of course they manage to shrink down all that horsepower into something closer to a Wii/WiiU. Then again, maybe I'm clueless and this was never supposed to be a compact PC.

I'm guessing in the $800 range as well for the Titan equivalent. Unless they made one hell of a deal with Nvidia. Maybe $500 for a less powerful model. I guess it all comes down to how much they can talk the manufacturers down.
A Titan costs about $1000 dollars on it's own, let alone the CPU/motherboard/enclosure & everything else, so I don't see how they would be able to sell the Titan system for anything like $800. They have to make money on these right, rather than sell them for a loss.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 14:32 | posts: 4,882 | Location: South Dakota

They are testing the different levels of computing power to see how it affects user experience...
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 15:14 | posts: 795 | Location: ND - US

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A Titan costs about $1000 dollars on it's own, let alone the CPU/motherboard/enclosure & everything else, so I don't see how they would be able to sell the Titan system for anything like $800. They have to make money on these right, rather than sell them for a loss.
I don't see how they can sell them for ~$800 either but if they do go down the $1000+ route I think the only people that will want to buy one are the same people that get suckered into buying enthusiast PCs. But I guess that's the big dilemma surrounding these miniature gaming PCs.

I mean, I really want to see them succeed because this could really benefit the video game market if done properly but I just don't see it happening if the only people willing to buy them are a particular type of enthusiast.

I'm probably just over-speculating about something I don't know much about and I should probably just wait until the final product is out.

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Default 10-05-2013, 16:07 | posts: 1,130 | Location: UK

Home console market seems pretty stable.

No need to mess with:

360 - frat boys and general gamers
PS3 - see above plus playstation fans
Nintendo stuff - kids first console plus Nintendo fans
Xbox one - w/e
Ps4 - preorders indicate greatness
PC - anything from enthusiasts/technophiles to low budget home pc users
Mobile/tablets - casual gamers/mobile time killers

Steambox - not replacing any of the above in any way shape or form.

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It can be built by anyone
Its controller is no better than any console
Its internet connection is the same as any other device and it's not mobile
Its game will be no better than any other device

Completely totally and utterly pointless system, created by a company that got lucky with a few games and then lost all connection with its customer base.

What are they goin' to make next? A toaster?
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 16:08 | posts: 106

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I don't see how they can sell them for ~$800 either but if they do go down the $1000+ route I think the only people that will want to buy one are the same people that get suckered into buying enthusiast PCs. But I guess that's the big dilemma surrounding these miniature gaming PCs.

I mean, I really want to see them succeed because this could really benefit the video game market if done properly but I just don't see it happening if the only people willing to buy them are a particular type of enthusiast.

I'm probably just over-speculating about something I don't know much about and I should probably just wait until the final product is out.
Yep, I agree with those points you made, I don't think you're over-speculating!
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 16:13 | posts: 106

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Home console market seems pretty stable.

No need to mess with:

360 - frat boys and general gamers
PS3 - see above plus playstation fans
Nintendo stuff - kids first console plus Nintendo fans
Xbox one - w/e
Ps4 - preorders indicate greatness
PC - anything from enthusiasts/technophiles to low budget home pc users
Mobile/tablets - casual gamers/mobile time killers

Steambox - not replacing any of the above in any way shape or form.

;

It can be built by anyone
Its controller is no better than any console
Its internet connection is the same as any other device and it's not mobile
Its game will be no better than any other device

Completely totally and utterly pointless system, created by a company that got lucky with a few games and then lost all connection with its customer base.

What are they goin' to make next? A toaster?
Controller looks interesting though: two touchpads. I can see how that might be more accurate than a traditional game pad, but I still think mouse & keyboard would be even faster & more accurate, but that wouldn't fit with Steam's view of trying to infiltrate the living room.
   
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I wonder if I'll be able to have a Steam Machine with AMD hardware. If not, no Steam Machine for me. Those hybrid SSHDs are too expensive for what they offer as well.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 18:53 | posts: 27 | Location: Colorado

I have a feeling that Steam Prototype will range from $400 to $800 US dollars.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 19:29 | posts: 8,702 | Location: UK

Be well expensive, Titans alone are £800+ plus here in the UK.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 19:38 | posts: 10,388 | Location: Toledo Ohio

I don't think this will be at a lower cost considering it's almost a ******ing box, but I also don't think that Steam's steambox is aimed at budget. This is why it's open to other companies creating these, also aside from ******ing games there will be titles that are ran native on the machine and not ******ed. That's where Steam's version will pick up it's forte.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 19:54 | posts: 2,275 | Location: Netherlands

I don't think Valve want Beta users to be frustrated by iffy framerates in their favorite games. Pamper them, get decent user experiences with constructive criticism and by the time the box comes out, a mid end Maxwell should be slightly faster and use 30-50W less power.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 21:05 | posts: 1,065 | Location: South Dakota

Stupid. This is why the there is so much debt int he world. Kids beg and plead with there parents to get one of these, which will be prolly 1500 $, then they will also want a ps4/xbox 1 plus there normal every day pc, there laptop there ipad, there new cell phone and maybe if they are lucky there nvidia shield. How many gaming/electronics does do we need on the market.


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This is just unrealistic.. If it has a titan gpu it will have to be well over $2k.
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 21:40 | posts: 58 | Location: Yellowknife, Northwest Territories

i am really excited about the steambox concept, however this beta with varying hardware seems a bit pointless. I mean its going to be running a Linux variant as an operating system, why not just release the OS to 300 people and let them run it on their already varied hardware. if it was something i was in control of i'd do it like this:

1) develop the steamOS
2) beta test the steamOS as a download users to try, and make it mandatory to send back hardware specs as well as performance related information.
3) develop 2 - 3 affordable hardware solutions based on the information gathered from step 2
4) take the 3 previously developed affordable solutions to market.

if they are expecting people to part with >$1000 for a steambox they are completely missing the mark, people would much rather just build their own system / buy their own premade system for the same price point and run with an already fairly solid windows platform
   
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Default 10-05-2013, 23:39 | posts: 52 | Location: Coleman, OK

From the sound of the spec/size it sound a lot like just a bit smaller then similar in many respects to what below.
Digital Storm’s Bolt
Falcon Northwest Tiki
Alienware X51
But any case I beat it about $2500/$3000 setup full load with Nvidia Titan and Intel i7-4770 but funny thing is Nvidia Linux driver are so poor vs AMD driver.

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Default 10-06-2013, 00:06 | posts: 49 | Location: Netherlands

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I wonder if I'll be able to have a Steam Machine with AMD hardware. If not, no Steam Machine for me. Those hybrid SSHDs are too expensive for what they offer as well.
valve won't get in the way of you building a steam machine with AMD hardware have fun with the linux drivers though ^^ valve isn't making them for you.

also a 1TB hybrid HDD/SSD costs 84 euro in holland i wouldn't consider that much...
   
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Default 10-06-2013, 00:27 | posts: 21 | Location: Location

You people are outright moronic, all of you.

One even even made an inane allusion (no that isn't a typo, best educate yourselves) that this is the reason why the US is in debt!

Valve is giving these 300 TEST UNITS out for free at their own expense, and, if you read the whole thing, are meant to represent the highest-end, they are for testing and improvement of the OS and the design. If they encounter problems with these most demanding of parts, then they can learn about it early on from the users, and said users can provide feedback on their thoughts on the test units.

The way this works is, when steamboxes ship, they will have a very, VERY wide range of selectable parts, unlike the limited choices you get from OEMs today on certain cases/models, and if you buy the very cheapest model, you should have an upgrade path for your steambox and the design should allow for that, because they have tested for it, WITH THEIR TEST UNITS.

Godddamnit, reading comprehension, people.

EDIT: Unless I was unclear to those of you who are denser than they should be, the final units are not supposed to only have these specifications, this is what is possible to build.

EDIT2: I think I should be clearer, still; They aren't going to sell only these specs.

These aren't consoles, they're full-fledged desktop computers in an attractive form factor that you can choose the parts of before you buy, and upgrade yourself later on.

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450w, even for the titan/GTX 780/i7 machines?...
   
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