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Default full screen stuttering and windowed smooth gameplay - 09-27-2013, 17:47 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

Hi to all mates, i start to say to you sorry for my bad english.

After many readings and searching in forums i discovered the major culprit of the stuttering.
There is a problem an huge problem with games in full screen, i dunno if it's for refresh rate or Vsync but the clearly thing is in windowed mode the stuttering became to 0.
I have experienced this problem with Amd/nvidia cards and drivers, so it's not about red or green.
Games that have this problem:

Star Wars Old Republic (tested with gtx 580, 680)

Dota 2 (tested with hd7970 and gtx 680 lightningh)

League of legends (tested with HD7970 and gtx 680)

Diablo 3 (tested with HD7970 and gtx 670 msi power edition)

Starcraft 2 (tested with HD7970 and gtx 670 msi power edition)

Path of exile (tested with Hd7970 dual-x oc only)

Sleeping Dogs (tested with Hd7970 dual-x oc only)

Shadow Warrior( tested with HD7970)

Bioshock Infinite(tested both with amd and Nvidia)

Tf2 (tested with all my cards!)

Now little proof that what i'm saing it's true:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...rop-fullscreen

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437030

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=371550

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=2804932

http://forums.sleepingdogs.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1596

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZJgEmKlU0

http://www.bloodlinechampions.com/fo...?f=116&t=14855

http://www.overclock.net/t/1405669/g...ttering-issues

Now the question is, WHY noone can fix this?
It's clearly a bug with screen resolution and refresh rate, so guys what do you think ?

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Default 09-27-2013, 18:17 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

Disable vsync and cap the frame rate at ur monitors refresh rate (or a multiple of it).

Actually with that many games and video cards affected it's probably something else like a dodgy PSU.

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Default 09-27-2013, 18:33 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

corsair AX750, man it's not psu battlefield 3 ultra runs ultra smooth
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 18:38 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

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corsair AX750, man it's not psu battlefield 3 ultra runs ultra smooth
I didn't say it was specifically the PSU, but it could be, BF3 is only 1 out of 9 games....

Try capping fps first or disabling vsync with RP.

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Default 09-27-2013, 18:40 | posts: 57

I have all these exact same problems. However I have more problems with my GTX 780. Its not the PSU
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 18:44 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

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I have all these exact same problems. However I have more problems with my GTX 780. Its not the PSU
How would you know? Your problem happens with 1 card - the op has used 4 different cards in 9 games.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 18:45 | posts: 57

If I run Devil May Cry 4 Benchmark here is the outcome

Vsync & 60hz and 120hz
1. Full Screen DX 10 Vsync Jittery
2. Window Mode Dx10 Vsync Smooth
3. Full Screen DX 9 Vsync Smoother some jitter
4. Window Mode Dx9 Vsync Smooth

Same thing with Witcher 2, and Tomb Raider I have to play in windows mode. I updated my motherboard and CPU to haswell same problem. I must have a faulty GTX 780.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 18:47 | posts: 57

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How would you know? Your problem happens with 1 card - the op has used 4 different cards in 9 games.

I have less problems with an AMD card. I bought an AMD 7950 than later returned it to test for these problems. And the AMD card did better. Also when I had the gtx 680 I didn't have any stutter like this.

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Default 09-27-2013, 18:54 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

Have you guys disabled vsync? (through RP not CCC). Disable then cap fps.

**Or Inspector lol

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Default 09-27-2013, 19:03 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

man we will take tearing and frankly that is not a solution, i'm searching an answer from devs.

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Default 09-27-2013, 19:09 | posts: 3,177 | Location: Lebanon

Try to cap FPS at your refresh rate when using VSync. It could solve VSync-induced stuttering issues.

Out of these games, I've played (extensively) Sleeping Dogs and BF3 and can confirm they have 0 stutter with VSync fullscreen on a single 7970.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:14 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

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man we will take tearing adn frankly that is not a solution, i'm searching an answer from devs.
Right, obviously the devs are at fault because every player suffers stuttering with all 9 games you listed....
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:22 | posts: 3,177 | Location: Lebanon

Yeah man there's most probably a serious issue at your side if you're getting VSync stutter with all those games.

But before I start assuming things, we need to know more. Did you test those games on a fresh Windows installation with, let's say, WHQL drivers (or drivers deemed stable)?
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:31 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

Yes i tested with fresh Windows.

Pill can be u are not able to notice micro-stutering, try that games in windowed and then tell me, i poste only few links about other people that have stuttering!

It's not only 9 games it's the first that come to my mind.

guild wars2 is fine
Bf3 fine
BO2 fine
Batman Arkham city fine
and many Others, i will ad title that stutters in the main post.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:33 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

Many people are not able to see the difference from micro stutter and not.
I will link topic on nvidia forum too ina while.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:36 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...php?p=22510226

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=377210

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Default 09-27-2013, 19:38 | posts: 57

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Many people are not able to see the difference from micro stutter and not.
I will link topic on nvidia forum too ina while.
Nvidia could temporarily fix this issue by including a windowed mode (no border) in their drivers. Then all my games would be smooth. I hate using glitchy 3rd party window borderless programs.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:46 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

what programs u use?

Do you have Windows 7 ?
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:48 | posts: 3,177 | Location: Lebanon

Well, Sleeping Dogs (what I've tried) for sure doesn't stutter. That I can assure you. That is, as long as it doesn't dip below 60FPS.

So as long as this is stuttering for you, then let's start there, since this game is stutter-free for me. Tried using in-game VSync vs. RadeonPro / CCC VSync and capping FPS (in-game vs. RadeonPro)?
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 19:58 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

I have Windows 8 pro, sleeping dog it's not installed right now, i try to figure if with Windows 7 disabling aero and disabling the Vsync of the OS the problem persist.
That's must be a V-sync conflict, read this:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=377210
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 20:03 | posts: 3,177 | Location: Lebanon

I had Aero on, always. Windows 7 & 8. Does not stutter.

Well...install Sleeping Dogs...
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 20:06 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

ok, but can you try dota 2 too? windowed and not? what monitor do you have? anyway thanks mate
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 20:08 | posts: 3,177 | Location: Lebanon

Ahh...wish I grabbed Dota 2 files today. I don't have up-to-date Dota 2 files now.

The monitor I have is a Viewsonic VX2450wm-LED, 1080p 60Hz TN panel.

You're welcome man, these stuttering issues are affecting many users and are largely going unnoticed in several cases for others. So it's important we know what's up.
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 20:14 | posts: 376 | Location: Italy-Bari

the new shadow warrior is affected but it's fantastic!
   
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Default 09-27-2013, 20:15 | posts: 23,919 | Location: NZ

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Yes i tested with fresh Windows.

Pill can be u are not able to notice micro-stutering, try that games in windowed and then tell me, i poste only few links about other people that have stuttering!

It's not only 9 games it's the first that come to my mind.

guild wars2 is fine
Bf3 fine
BO2 fine
Batman Arkham city fine
and many Others, i will ad title that stutters in the main post.
Sure I can notice stuttering, it happens with any Gamebryo title, also in BF2: Project Reality, and GTA IV due to 2 fully loaded CPU cores..... but not other games..at least not that I notice. ArmA3, BF3, MetroLL Cryshlt3, Borderlands2, MaxPayne3 etc all good.

I run Windows 7 Ultimate 64 and 100Hz CRT with vsync disabled in all games.

What apps do you have running?

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