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Default PC upgrade - 08-28-2013, 09:36 | posts: 14

Hi there,
I am looking for advice with an upgrade of my PC.

I am using my PC for games and browsing mostly and even though I am not a heavy gamer when I play I want to run games at decent settings and FPS. I mostly play RPGs, MMOs and some MOBA/arena type games.

I currently run:

Seasoninc 500W
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Dual-Core E2160 @ 2,42 GHz
2x2GB 1066MHz DDR2
Radeon 5770 1GB

I have to say it runs all I am playing at mid-high settings quite fine, just sometimes it's showing the age and FPS could be better(currently running at 20-25FPS).


I do not like buying whole new rig at a time and prefer upgrading specific parts as they start to age and lacking and I would like to keep the upgrade cycle at 200-250 USD at a time(every 1-2 years), so please keep that in mind when suggesting an upgrade.

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Default 08-28-2013, 09:49 | posts: 1,599 | Location: Unknown

Ideal upgrade would be Haswell i5 with H81/B85 board and 8GB RAM for around 300$. Bit more expensive, but would last longer.
   
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Default 08-28-2013, 10:06 | posts: 14

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Ideal upgrade would be Haswell i5 with H81/B85 board and 8GB RAM for around 300$. Bit more expensive, but would last longer.
I checked the prices briefly but it seems that CPU+MB+RAM would cost me way more than 300 USD which is already far beyond what I want to spend on an upgrade anyway.

Unless I am playing strategy games or high-end FPS, which I don't, I don't see much point in spending so much money on CPU. I am using E2160 and I don't think it's such a bottleneck.

The issue I see that only reasonable upgrade for CPU is quad core but those are way too expensive currently :/

Socket 1155 is lacking some cheap variants such as Dual-Core Gxxxx line. Are they supposed to be released any time soon? I would go with one of those and upgraded to i5 later, in 3-4 years.

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Default 08-28-2013, 10:37 | posts: 1,599 | Location: Unknown

i5 4430/4570 cost 180-200$, H81/B85 MB can be had for 50-70$, 8GB RAM around 50$. The thing about this upgrade is that it will last you much longer. CPU is something you invest into. Your CPU is a HUGE bottleneck. According to Anand bench it's about as slow as Athlon 64 X2. And that was a huge bottleneck for me several years ago.

LGA1155 has a full lineup, but I believe you meant LGA1150. In that case, you might want to wait a bit. Haswell i3/Pentium CPUs should be released next month.

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I would go with one of those and upgraded to i5 later, in 3-4 years.
In all honesty, this part makes no sense to me whatsoever.

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Default 08-28-2013, 10:57 | posts: 14

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Your CPU is a HUGE bottleneck.
When I tone down the graphics, the FPS jumps high so no, CPU isn't a main limiting factor. Shadows and gfx details on the other hand...

Apart from specific game types, games really need only little CPU power(there are a few charts on topic around the intertentz) hence that is why CPU for 80 USD last me so long and I am reluctant spending 220-230 USD on a new one - that is unfortunately the lowest price I can get cheapest Haswell for

Yes, I meant 1150. Sorry for typo.


NVidia 650 Ti and R7850 dropped in price lately which I think could be nice upgrade and I am wondering whether there is same case for CPU but I can't find any

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Default 08-28-2013, 11:09 | posts: 14

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In all honesty, this part makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I guess that depends on what you use your PC for.

I am a casual player. I do not play as much performance demanding games(and game altogether) thus going for performance is a quite pointless for me and I focus more on economy of the purchase, and there with increased power, value ratio tends to decrease.

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To demonstrate what I mean.

Start up your most CPU demanding game and turn down gfx to minimum. Then look at your FPS.

Your FPS is likely to be very high, easily around 100 FPS or more. That means your CPU power and money spent are wasted.

Thus, why spending so much on CPU when GPU will bottleneck your system much easier?

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Default 08-28-2013, 11:10 | posts: 1,822

Cooloon i don't know where you are located but you could get a used part to replace that dual-core, i'm talking about the q6600/q9450, etc...With the rest of the money invest on a better graphics card and sell that one.

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Default 08-28-2013, 11:32 | posts: 14

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Cooloon i don't know where you are located but you could get a used part to replace that dual-core, i'm talking about the q6600/q9450, etc...With the rest of the money invest on a better graphics card and sell that one.
Yeah, Q6600 is something I was very much thinking about...
   
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Go for something like an FX6300 as they are pretty cheap and have great OC potential.
   
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Default 08-28-2013, 13:55 | posts: 14

Quick insight how CPU affect game performance and why I could stay with E2160 for so long:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages...review,19.html
   
 
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Default 08-28-2013, 22:55 | posts: 3

but there also test who show that at some point uppgrading the gpu from a entry/mid range to a mid/high range will make no difference if the cpu can't keep up.
If you're a casual, you don't have to get an i5 or an i7,but at least an ivy/haswell pentium or a core i3. Even in modern games,physics ,particles, or scene with a lot of pnj are highly dependent on the cpu.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-i5-3570k.html
you can see even so modern cpu don't get 100 % loaded a good cpu still make a difference

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If you change a GPU and keep that CPU and mobo, you wont see any difference because your CPU will be such a massive bottleneck it just makes no sense wasting money.

If you are upgrading anything atm, you should go CPU and mobo first then everything else. Also if I am not mistaken you are still on DDR2 or even DDR RAM?
   
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Default 08-29-2013, 08:32 | posts: 14

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If you change a GPU and keep that CPU and mobo, you wont see any difference because your CPU will be such a massive bottleneck it just makes no sense wasting money.
Since all tests and experience implies otherwise, your opinion is based on...?
   
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Default 08-29-2013, 09:06 | posts: 3

In the link you just show us all the cpu where more powerfull than the one you have.
And even so modern cpu don't get 100 % loaded in game,people who play with a core i5 will get more fps than people playing with a core i3 or an amd fx...
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/897-...t-f1-2012.html
   
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You can see even so modern cpu don't get 100% loaded in game,a good cpu still make a difference...
http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-i5-3570k.html

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Default 08-29-2013, 23:29 | posts: 14

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You can see even so modern cpu don't get 100% loaded in game,a good cpu still make a difference...
http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-i5-3570k.html
Well, even very old Q6600 gets about 75 FPS on average hence that is why I see little point in spending on CPU, especially when you consider that my VGA won't be as powerful and bottleneck me much easier.

Great chart tho, thanks!
   
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Default 08-30-2013, 00:04 | posts: 26,205 | Location: Hampshire UK

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Since all tests and experience implies otherwise, your opinion is based on...?
Ah, you're one of those who come asking for advice and when they get it they just refuse to listen and become cocky?

I can tell you your cpu would bottleneck any half decent gpu out there. Hey, I went from q6600@3ghz to i5 2500k and even with the 2500k at stock, I got visible fps boost in many games. Some like F1 2011 ran 20 odd fps better. That's with a hd 6870. So yeah, the q6600 bottlecknecked even a hd 6870. No matter what gpu you get, it'll be massively bottlenecked by your cpu. You would be throwing money away.
   
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Well, even very old Q6600 gets about 75 FPS on average hence that is why I see little point in spending on CPU, especially when you consider that my VGA won't be as powerful and bottleneck me much easier.

Great chart tho, thanks!
yeah, it gets 74fps on average, but don't say there's very little bottleneck when a 2500k gets 161fps on average. that's a massive difference. So like I said, upgrade your cpu to something modern, otherwise buying a gpu is a waste.
   
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yeah, it gets 74fps on average, but don't say there's very little bottleneck when a 2500k gets 161fps on average. that's a massive difference. So like I said, upgrade your cpu to something modern, otherwise buying a gpu is a waste.
....because you notice the difference between 74 and 161 FPS, right?

I am not cocky, but why should I listen to ill advice?
   
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Then just stick a better GPU on your current setup and come back and complain that it does not do any better than what your current GPU did. Eclap is not giving you ill advice your just not hearing what you want to.
   
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Funny thread.
   
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Then just stick a better GPU on your current setup and come back and complain that it does not do any better than what your current GPU did. Eclap is not giving you ill advice your just not hearing what you want to.

This^....
   
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Time to retire that Core 2 Duo, dude.

If you're still not sure, then I'd like you to monitor CPU usage in-game using MSI Afterburner and HWInfo64 (configure that to display CPU usage in RTSS).

Oh, and monitor GPU usage using MSI Afterburner directly...
   
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It's not even a Core 2 Duo. It's a Pentium Dual Core .
   
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....because you notice the difference between 74 and 161 FPS, right?

I am not cocky, but why should I listen to ill advice?
there's 161 and 74, then there's 60 and 35, will you be happy with 35 fps? go ahead, be my guest. You're clearly ignoring facts and acting like you don't understand basics. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. If I called you a troll, you'd come back and tell me I'm attacking you and that you don't understand what I'm saying. So I'm not going to call you that. I'll let someone else do that. In fact, I'll suggest you buy a gtx 760 and see 20% increase tops in your fps over that hd 5770 you have now. have a good day.

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