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AMD Hawaii GPU might launch on September 25
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Default AMD Hawaii GPU might launch on September 25 - 08-08-2013, 06:51 | posts: 20,517 | Location: Guru3D testlab

AMD is planning to introduce its Hawaii GPU at the end of September according to a report on BSN. A press event is set to take place on September 23rd in Hawaii and the public launch is expected on Se...

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Default 08-08-2013, 06:57 | posts: 318 | Location: Mississippi

I suspected October but this is good news if it turns out to be true and Hawaii competes with Titan and Titan LE.
   
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Default 08-08-2013, 09:42 | posts: 51 | Location: PA

is this there next generation of cards or simply a refresh? are they going with a die shrink or just a new architecture?
   
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Default 08-08-2013, 09:50 | posts: 13,004 | Location: USA

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I suspected October but this is good news if it turns out to be true and Hawaii competes with Titan and Titan LE.
From what I have read, It will be competing with Maxwell.



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is this there next generation of cards or simply a refresh? are they going with a die shrink or just a new architecture?

It's next-gen with a die shrink to 20 nm.
   
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Default 08-08-2013, 11:15 | posts: 2,480 | Location: UK

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From what I have read, It will be competing with Maxwell.






It's next-gen with a die shrink to 20 nm.
I read that too, however I doubt it'll compete with Maxwell, it'll be up against Nvidia 700 series I would have thought. Could you imagine what AMD could charge for these cards if they smashed Nvidia's current line up! Forget buying a 9970, it'll cost more than a Titan!
   
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Default 08-08-2013, 11:22 | posts: 8,702 | Location: UK

Septembers just an unveiling according to AMD, launch could be around October, which im guessing could be right, what with BF4 releasing then, can't bloody wait!

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It looks like new GPUs are coming this fall with AMD’s Hawaii now set for late September. This one is going to change the market mainly because there is no competition for it this year.

As SemiAccurate said in April when we reported about Nvidia’s cancellation of the GK114 Kepler update, the company is showing severe financial stress related cracks in the development roadmap. Hawaii and the Volcanic Islands family is coming this fall and a late September public show likely means an October silicon launch. This is a massively updated GPU vs the minor tweaks in the last round. Given the timing, Hawaii is unquestionably a 28nm part so no shrink related performance bump but the architectural changes should more than make up for that. It is unlikely to be an incremental advance.

Nvidia in the mean time canceled the minor update that was due out last quarter and surprisingly canceled the first big Maxwell set for next spring. This leaves them with nothing to compete against AMD with for the fall “back to school” market and the winter holiday ******. The next minor blip will be in the spring as described in the link above, but that is not competition for AMD, it is Nvidia salvaging the scraps they have left. Dire is barely adequate to describe their competitive situation for 2013 and 1H/2014.

Development costs are spiraling and Nvidia added to their development costs by bifurcating their GPU architectures. This lead to an unsustainable cost structure, something visible in their reshuffling architectures for cost, not technical reasons. The path Nvidia has locked itself into is unsustainable and they are unquestionably aware of this, their reactive roadmap changes are short-term holding actions but fatal long-term.

Meanwhile AMD is doing the sane thing and keeping one architectural development path. Hawaii is the next step and it will go in to devices top to bottom, APUs included starting with Kaveri in Q4 or early Q1. Please note that unlike what some are saying, there are no delays to Kaveri, the roadmap hasn’t slipped at all since earlier this year when SemiAccurate last looked. To make things even easier for AMD they have synergies with all three game consoles so 100% of next generation game engine development is AMD architecture focused.

Anecdotally speaking, AMD is doing the obvious for the Hawaii launch. Any guesses where it will be? If you are thinking Hawaii you would be right on. AMD seems to have a knack for doing launches in odd locations that are very interesting to see and counter-intuitively cheaper than most dull locations. What is more interesting is the way that locations reflect changing press demographics.

Update 8/7/13 @ 4pm: AMD has clarified that it is the Hawaii/Volcanic Islands tech day in September, not the launch. The launch will officially happen in Q4 some time, the dates in this article are our speculation.
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/a...aii-in-hawaii/

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Default 08-08-2013, 11:41 | posts: 13,004 | Location: USA

So hows radeon pro looking these days? If I do switch back to AMD, I would hope there's some sort of tool to tweak my games.
   
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Default 08-08-2013, 12:18 | posts: 25 | Location: Austria

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So hows radeon pro looking these days? If I do switch back to AMD, I would hope there's some sort of tool to tweak my games.
Yery good actually:
Apart form the usual tweaks ATI/AMD drivers had for years, you can now force FXAA and SMAA, there is also support for Adaptive Vsync...
Support for 64-bit Applications is implemented, however it doesn't detect all applications yet.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=373303
   
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Without saying SweetFX can be integrate directly on radeonPro, and the funny thing, it work on games where Sweetfx dont work for Nvidia gpu's due to this.
   
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Bring it on... Can't wait to see how these cards perform.


   
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Septembers just an unveiling according to AMD, launch could be around October, which im guessing could be right, what with BF4 releasing then, can't bloody wait!



http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/a...aii-in-hawaii/
Good, Q3-Q4 2014 will be crazy


Btw I spotted possible perf. of 9970 and looks like a 2560core.
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The Hawaii GPU which falls in AMD’s Radeon HD line of graphic cards scores 4816 Points in Extreme preset. A quick Google on the intent reveals that the GeForce GTX Titan ends up with a score of 4500-4700 Points on Extreme preset while the GeForce GTX 780 scores a bit lower around 4400-4500 Points.
The performance looks much more impressive when comparing generation vs generation (Southern Islands vs Volcanic Islands). The Radeon HD 7970 scores 3300-3500 points in the same benchmark so this is a major increase in performance on AMD’s end.


http://www.chiphell.com/thread-831155-1-1.html
Imo a GK110 response., that real VI in 20nm ~ Q4 2014 should be more interesting
   
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I really hope that score was at stock clocks, otherwise it's pitiful.
   
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Default 08-09-2013, 10:48 | posts: 51 | Location: PA

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I really hope that score was at stock clocks, otherwise it's pitiful.
I know right? I thought a die shrink and a new architecture was going to smoke Nvidia's GTX Titan but what I see seems like only a 3% difference unless of course this is just an early prototype and the drivers are not finalized even still at most the complete version a mere 10%! lol I'm sorry but Maxwell is going to KILL!!! I'll be getting that along with sandy bride E or "probably" Haswell E at the end of next year.

I just hope I'm wrong? maybe finding out the true Floating point performance will tell us how much raw power this baby has and if it's just a software thing? Because I want my next gen card to be a single chip card but with the performance of a dual Tahiti! "7990" at minimum!
   
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rumors... score alone in 3dmark says nothing. AMD will not release a card weaker than titan, no point. if it be 30% faster than titan then i say wow, but i think it won't happen. AMD at best could make the card better than titan 10%, we have to see what maxwell bring to us
   
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rumors... score alone in 3dmark says nothing. AMD will not release a card weaker than titan, no point. if it be 30% faster than titan then i say wow, but i think it won't happen. AMD at best could make the card better than titan 10%, we have to see what maxwell bring to us
I'll probably end up buying "One" of these, But when exactly is maxwell coming out? I saw a slide a while back and it said 2014.....hell it could be Q4 2014 for all we know.
   
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I'll probably end up buying "One" of these, But when exactly is maxwell coming out? I saw a slide a while back and it said 2014.....hell it could be Q4 2014 for all we know.
Not anytime soon, that's for sure.

This time AMD takes the lead.
   
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I really hope that score was at stock clocks, otherwise it's pitiful.
Agreed. Not impressed with that score. Hope its a stock run not overclocked.
   
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Agreed. Not impressed with that score. Hope its a stock run not overclocked.
Just a rumor score, i would not worry about it.

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Seriously, a 45% jump in performance between generation isn't impressive anymore?
   
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Seriously, a 45% jump in performance between generation isn't impressive anymore?
It is, but this not this time. nvidia managed to make Titan/GTX780 faster than 680 7970ge by 35-50% in the same generation, sure titan price is ridicouls, 780 is high but more acceptable, take the price out and i call this achievement very impressive, same generation(kepler), 35-50% more performance.
   
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very rarely titan is even 30% faster then 680 or 7970 ge O.o it's more like 10-30% then in some games it goes past that 30 but it all depends.

Titan and 780 are really huge chips and limited in quantity. If that score is for next amd card it's impressive really as it won't be as huge most likely nor will it be limited.
   
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It is, but this not this time. nvidia managed to make Titan/GTX780 faster than 680 7970ge by 35-50% in the same generation, sure titan price is ridicouls, 780 is high but more acceptable, take the price out and i call this achievement very impressive, same generation(kepler), 35-50% more performance.
Titan/780 technically existed at the same time as the GTX 680. NVIDIA just didn't release it. GTX 680 needs around 170W in games. That should be enough to tell you it's not a real high-end part. It's a mid-range.
   
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Titan/780 technically existed at the same time as the GTX 680. NVIDIA just didn't release it. GTX 680 needs around 170W in games. That should be enough to tell you it's not a real high-end part. It's a mid-range.
you have evidence gk110 was ready on March 22, 2012? Would love to read up on it.

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you have evidence gk110 was ready on March 22, 2012? Would love to read up on it.
*Technically* existed. GeForce cards have been above the 200W line since GTX 2xx series. To drop so much power consumption means there's an obvious window for more potential. It's especially true when it doesn't even require architecture tweaks. It should ring bells.
   
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I was looking for something factual ,thanks anyways
   
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