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Default Need a better video card for 1440p, help - 07-25-2013, 15:04 | posts: 161 | Location: SC

Been a while since I visited this site. I just recently upgraded to an ASUS PB278Q monitor that does the 2560x1440. It does look flat out amazing. Unfortunately I have a 2 year old Evga 570 gtx which seems to run some of the games I play in 1440p but not everything. So, I'm looking at getting another videocard(s). I'm not sure I have a price I want to spend nailed down yet, but I wouldn't like going beyond $600. I mainly want to get something that's not too overpriced, more of like a bang for the buck setup. Here's my issues:

1. I have a motherboard that only seems to support CrossfireX if I were to do multiple cards (ASUS P8P67 REV 3.0).

2. I have an older power supply from a company that's out of business, BFG 1000w BFGR1000WPSU I want to make sure it will work with that or maybe look at a new power supply.

So any suggestions on a card or cards to get?
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 15:23 | posts: 249 | Location: Holland

I think a gtx770 is good.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 15:33 | posts: 26,734 | Location: Hampshire, UK

depending on what you expect to run, all maxed at 60fps will need something like a gtx 770 4gb sli. but, a single overclocked gtx 780 should be ok, if you don't mind messing around with lowering settings. I wouldn't go any lower than gtx 780 tbh atm.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 15:36 | posts: 624 | Location: Croatia

Single 780 should be fine.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 15:38 | posts: 259

I'd say a 780 should give u decent fps at that res but I can't say for next gen, if u can I'd wait 4 Maxwell it'll be a good chip. Maybe you can get a 9000 series Radeon in Oct. Then sli later and your psu should handle it 4 now.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 15:53 | posts: 161 | Location: SC

This Maxwell you refer to is the next Nvidia line?

I like all the suggestions. Not really wanting to spend as much as most of the 780s cost, really wish they were a flat 600, I'd feel more comfortable there.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 17:06 | posts: 507 | Location: Toronto

Wait for the new cards from AMD.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 17:08 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

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This Maxwell you refer to is the next Nvidia line?

I like all the suggestions. Not really wanting to spend as much as most of the 780s cost, really wish they were a flat 600, I'd feel more comfortable there.
Yes Maxwell is the next generation nVidia architecture. Years ago it was originally planned for... late 2012? It's been heavily delayed because they can.

I know how it feels being on 1440p with an ancient card. I'll wait, I refuse to pay such bloated artificial prices.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 17:15 | posts: 507 | Location: Toronto

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I'll wait, I refuse to pay such bloated artificial prices.
Pretty much sums it up.

The graphics market is off-schedule and has the same cards for the same prices where we should have already had much better cards for the usual 499.99 price. It's only for the privileged.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 19:03 | posts: 161 | Location: SC

Agree, you used to be able to get a card that could run everything even new games for $400. Of course, that was in 1080p resolutions. I guess you can justify these new ones have more transistors, ram chips, heat sinks, etc that make them more expensive to produce.

What about that 7970 Ghz edition??
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 19:07 | posts: 26,734 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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Wait for the new cards from AMD.
Yeah, and when they come out you'll tell him to wait for Maxwell.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 19:07 | posts: 233 | Location: at Bill Gates Dog House

Take a fast Chip with 3 or 4gb, dont go with 2gb
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 20:30 | posts: 161 | Location: SC

Well yeah I was thinking 3 or 4gb for sure.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 21:44 | posts: 1,555 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

I have 120Hz 1920x1080 = 248M pixel per second needed to keep 120fps.
Yours 60Hz 2560x1440 = 221M pixel per second to keep 60fps.

One HD7970 with low OC does nicely in most cases with just sacrifice of AA (I replace it with SMAA postprocess).
On 2560x1440 27" pixels are bit smaller than on mine 24" display therefore SMAA would have even better effect.
Because keeping 60fps is easier than to keep 120fps (CPU, system memory speed is more noticeable here) and your display require bit lower horse power - anything around HD 7950/7970 OC, GTX 770+ should be fine.

But even so, I believe best would be to wait till October for HD 9970 and decide based on performance/price.

If you do not want to wait I prefer from 1s as best perf/price/requred performance: GTX770, HD7970, HD7950, ..., GTX780, Titan
GTX770 is simply best choice today. HD7970 is 2nd best because while HD7950 has better Price/performance it may not be sufficient even after OC (if it does OC).
Then ... (a lot of thinking) followed by pricy GTX780 which is powerful but perf/price is bad. And Titan does not want to be behind GTX780 therefore is even more expensive compared to performance.

If you need all eye candy, then you can do 2xHD7950 as best choice, 2xGTX770, 2xHD7970, Titan.
2xHD7950 have best perf/price and total performance is fully sufficient.
2xGTX770 is just bit better than 2xHD7970 in perf./price.
GTX780 is good for nothing as it's considerably weaker than 2xHD7950, costs same and can't give at that resolution all details.
Titan can give All eye candies needed but is in same category as GTX780. Not worth the money.

If you buy just single card (Titan is exception here) soon you may feel need to lower details in new games or to get SLi/CFX or card from new line if it proves to be good.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 21:57 | posts: 5,430 | Location: FLA,USA

^Great post I agree with everything but the option of 7950 Crossfire being the best choice I would argue that 770 SLI be best for stability sake as there are still instances of frame time issues in crossfire that have yet to be fixed, granted there are work arounds but they don't always work. If OP were to entertain Crossfire I would advise waiting to see if the frame metering drivers that are due soon fix the issue or cause totally new problems.
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 22:07 | posts: 26,734 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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^Great post I agree with everything but the option of 7950 Crossfire being the best choice I would argue that 770 SLI be best for stability sake as there are still instances of frame time issues in crossfire that have yet to be fixed, granted there are work arounds but they don't always work. If OP were to entertain Crossfire I would advise waiting to see if the frame metering drivers that are due soon fix the issue or cause totally new problems.
I would wait till next wednesday before buying and judging 2x hd 79xx. things might be completely different. and if they are, 2x 7950 will become by far the best bang for buck (at say 220/pop)
   
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Default 07-25-2013, 22:11 | posts: 26,734 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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GTX780 is good for nothing as it's considerably weaker than 2xHD7950, costs same and can't give at that resolution all details.
2 decent 7950 on newegg (sapphire) = $540
cheapest gtx 780 = $650

wouldn't call that the same. pricing is similar in the UK, but I think the op is from the states. I'll say this again, if AMD release a godly driver on wednesday, 7950 crossfire will become easily the best sub $550/440 gpu solution.
   
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I would wait till next wednesday before buying and judging 2x hd 79xx. things might be completely different. and if they are, 2x 7950 will become by far the best bang for buck (at say 220/pop)
That is what the last part of my post said.
   
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Indeed I live in the USA. I would entertain CrossfireX, never done it before and I haven't run an AMD card for about 8 years now so I'm not sure how it all works. Before this thread started I was pretty set on just getting a EVGA acx-cooling superclocked 770gtx but it seems that I might need something larger than that (mainly more ram) or some type of dual card setup. Which is all fine as long as I can power it properly.
   
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That is what the last part of my post said.
touche
   
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Indeed I live in the USA. I would entertain CrossfireX, never done it before and I haven't run an AMD card for about 8 years now so I'm not sure how it all works. Before this thread started I was pretty set on just getting a EVGA acx-cooling superclocked 770gtx but it seems that I might need something larger than that (mainly more ram) or some type of dual card setup. Which is all fine as long as I can power it properly.
I would wait till next week then, because 2x7950 will destroy any gtx 770/780 out there.
   
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2 decent 7950 on newegg (sapphire) = $540
cheapest gtx 780 = $650

wouldn't call that the same. pricing is similar in the UK, but I think the op is from the states. I'll say this again, if AMD release a godly driver on wednesday, 7950 crossfire will become easily the best sub $550/440 gpu solution.
I agree with that, just with small update
In Czech Rep. Those solutions costs same and are around (very sad) 730$.

I myself have high hopes for new driver, since I am waiting for Oculus Rift HMD or 1600x960+ dual projector (passive) 3D solution.
I like Epson EB-W16SK, it sports 2x 1280x800 projectors and produce similar image to line interleaved 1920x1080 72" screen (projectors have just bit better coverage).
But for 3D projectors 2x 1920x1080 would be perfect. So I am patiently waiting for HD9970 or 2 based on what kind of 3D devices will make it into market.

PS: Oculus Rift have 1920x1080 screen, so it's 960x1080 per eye at 300$ which is already awesome.
If they could get cheap 2560x1440 OLED and keep price under 500$ it would smash any 3D solution for years.
   
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until released and confirmed working that amd fix should be considered vaporware.
OP do not go xfire until then.
   
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Yeah, and when they come out you'll tell him to wait for Maxwell.
No I won't, it's better than him buying 2 years old tech.
   
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^Great post I agree with everything but the option of 7950 Crossfire being the best choice I would argue that 770 SLI be best for stability sake as there are still instances of frame time issues in crossfire that have yet to be fixed, granted there are work arounds but they don't always work. If OP were to entertain Crossfire I would advise waiting to see if the frame metering drivers that are due soon fix the issue or cause totally new problems.
The tweak, which is FPS cap (+VSync if you like) works under two conditions:
1) The game works well with VSync - 99% of games out there?
2) You are able to maintain FPS at the FPS cap

If you only use FPS cap and dip below, you will face microstutter.

If you use VSync as well, the microstutter under the refresh rate is immensely reduced, or even eliminated. I know this just from toggling VSync on via RadeonPro in Heaven benchmark 4.0, a benchmark which by itself is stuttery, even on a single card (try it, the engine is a bit iffy).

Almost no point in using VSync alone without FPS cap as the FPS cap reduced VSync-induced input lag a great deal.

Flip Queue Size should be lowered as far as possible. Some games like to add buffers, *screw screw*.

If you want to disable VSync, you will get microstutter with CrossFire and you'll need to wait for AMD's fix to see how things go.

Do remember that even with SLi, there are cases which microstutter is present, and the above *tweak* works for SLi as well.

For a *perfect* multi-GPU experience, you'll have to put up with additional input lag that VSync + FPS cap produces (not high TBH in 99% of cases).

If you hate tearing and already use VSync, and you're sure you're maintain x FPS, multi-GPU microstutter will not be an issue for you.

If you have a target in mind (60FPS, 120FPS, etc...), at certain graphical settings and resolutions, and you're sure you can meet it, there is no option but multi-GPU (please stick to high-end multi-GPU here - faster single GPU is always better than midrange multi-GPU, even if only theoretically).

If you're just maximizing FPS on immense resolutions, the above tweak might not suit you if you're wanting to disable VSync.

A special case I'd like to talk about is 1440p 120Hz monitors. The advantage of a multi-GPU setup over a single GPU (stick to high-end here) is obvious even with all the drawbacks of added input lag or whatever, for a very obvious reason:

1) If you're maintaining 60FPS with a single GPU, dual would have you maintain 120FPS assuming perfect scaling.

2) If you're maintaining 30FPS with a single GPU, dual would have you maintain 60FPS assuming perfect scaling. This would be a rather immense difference. Your only other option is lowering settings on a single GPU to double your FPS - something I'm not sure a high-end GPU owner would want to do except if he wants to be extremely competitive in a LAN, using a CRT (burning his eyes ).

Yet another note is that if your GPU usage is below max (upper 90s ofc), a CPU bottleneck (or whatever), microstutter is immensely reduced / eliminated. No worries if you want 60FPS on dual-GPU and you're getting 30FPS on a single-GPU, you won't microstutter below 60FPS (or imperfect scaling).

And on a side note, as soon as Nvidia and AMD get rid of AFR (please use super-tiling.............), I'll be inviting you all to a party and sending you tickets.

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