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Default UK ISPs to act as censors - 07-22-2013, 13:59 | posts: 2,230

It popped up around a year ago and then disappeared in to the ether un seen, but it would seem the PM is using the national mask created by the birth of the royal baby to push through internet censorship.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

I guess we are back at the same position we had a year ago.

An out of touch Government forcing the ISP to do the job they know they can't really do while the ISPs sit there telling the Government that they can't and shouldn't be doing this kind of censorship.

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Default 07-22-2013, 14:12 | posts: 3,458 | Location: UK

So by blocking all porn sites, this is going to stop kids looking at porn? Sure you can op out, but who is going to want to do so?
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 14:23 | posts: 4,903 | Location: London

Apparently the block is happening on a per-PC basis, only new PCs being affected, older ones being told how to turn it on by ISPs, no blocking at their end as I understand it. They're not going anywhere near mine.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 14:42 | posts: 2,230

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Apparently the block is happening on a per-PC basis, only new PCs being affected, older ones being told how to turn it on by ISPs, no blocking at their end as I understand it. They're not going anywhere near mine.
Maybe I mis-read the report but I thought it was a blanket block, didn't matter weather you were new or already on the ISP?
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 14:52 | posts: 23,440 | Location: Hoek van Holland, Netherlands

Glad i dont live in the UK
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 14:56 | posts: 6,889 | Location: Dubai

So ... this is like that Green Dam Youth Escort?

We have ISP level blocking over here though .. lol. Porn is the excuse but block half the internet. Thank goodness for Tor Browser and the HMA add-on.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 15:35 | posts: 66 | Location: UK: Peterborough

It will never come to Law and this is why.

But he hinted that if search engines like Google didn't agree to a blacklist of search terms, he would legislate.

That was taken from part of the report from the BBC.

Legislate what?? Dave.

Google is a US based company, good luck in trying to tell one of the worlds largest tech companies how they will do business. The US has the 1st ammendment of their constitution and they really love other people telling them they cant use it. That goes down really well.

Im over 18. i can vote and i can die for my country, and noone is going to tell me, what i can or cant watch on my computer at 3am when i want to crack one off.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:08 | posts: 10,556 | Location: United kingdom

A readers post from that thead.

"What are you lot going on about? If you want to access porn, you still can, by telling your ISP that you don't want it blocked. It is a matter of personal choice. Better this way than allowing all sorts of corrupting influences to be beamed at you, often by subversive means. Well done Cameron. There has to be control - every publication in paper form has some controls".

As long as you have a choice i dont see a problem, i actually see it as a good thing. It does become a massive problem if they take that choice away.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:23 | posts: 1,237 | Location: UK

So long as it is blocking child porn and simulated rape - I don't see this (personally) as being something UK ISP's would have an issue with.

The future is what I fear, and what this legislation could lead to in the name of 'protecting' citizens.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:24 | posts: 3,458 | Location: UK

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A readers post from that thead.

"What are you lot going on about? If you want to access porn, you still can, by telling your ISP that you don't want it blocked. It is a matter of personal choice. Better this way than allowing all sorts of corrupting influences to be beamed at you, often by subversive means. Well done Cameron. There has to be control - every publication in paper form has some controls".

As long as you have a choice i dont see a problem, i actually see it as a good thing. It does become a massive problem if they take that choice away.
I never asked for it to be blocked in the first place. It wont be even very hard to bypass anything the ISP's try to do anyway.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:25 | posts: 3,458 | Location: UK

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So long as it is blocking child porn and simulated rape - I don't see this (personally) as being something UK ISP's would have an issue with.

The future is what I fear, and what this legislation could lead to in the name of 'protecting' citizens.
We all know where this is heading. Complete control over the internet.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:25 | posts: 9,164 | Location: Toledo

Making something "opt in" rather than vice versa is quite shady, especially in a case like this. Why should you have to call your ISP and tell them you want porn unblocked?
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 16:51 | posts: 1,044 | Location: Somewhere in Scotland

So is access to these websites only to be granted to MP's by David Camoron?
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:02 | posts: 4,384 | Location: Recife, Brazil

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Making something "opt in" rather than vice versa is quite shady, especially in a case like this. Why should you have to call your ISP and tell them you want porn unblocked?
That's an awkward phonecall.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:04 | posts: 3,458 | Location: UK

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That's an awkward phonecall.
That's why they have done it that way, to make people not opt out.

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Default 07-22-2013, 18:15 | posts: 3,926 | Location: Cheshire, England

This is stupid, we already have the IWF blocking illegal porn sites, so why do we need a filter for legal porn sites

This is why the Tories and Labour are a joke along with most of the idiots that vote for these parasites, first it'll be blocking porn the next it'll be blocking anything that is anti-government
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:16 | posts: 4,384 | Location: Recife, Brazil

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That's why they have done it that way, to make people not opt out.
I'd just hang up until I got a guy on the phone haha
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:17 | posts: 3,458 | Location: UK

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I'd just hang up until I got a guy on the phone haha
Women only call centre....lol
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:17 | posts: 446 | Location: Upstate NY

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Google is a US based company, good luck in trying to tell one of the worlds largest tech companies how they will do business. The US has the 1st ammendment of their constitution and they really love other people telling them they cant use it. That goes down really well.
The same Google that has a chinese version that is completely in line with The Great Firewall of China? Is that the freedom you are talking about?
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 18:21 | posts: 9,164 | Location: Toledo

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I'd just hang up until I got a guy on the phone haha
Women watch just as much porn, amusingly. It's also seemingly acceptable for them to read it in public.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 19:06 | posts: 4,384 | Location: Recife, Brazil

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Women only call centre....lol
Welp... haha
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 19:13 | posts: 5,993 | Location: Middlesbrough, England

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It will never come to Law and this is why.

But he hinted that if search engines like Google didn't agree to a blacklist of search terms, he would legislate.

That was taken from part of the report from the BBC.

Legislate what?? Dave.

Google is a US based company, good luck in trying to tell one of the worlds largest tech companies how they will do business. The US has the 1st ammendment of their constitution and they really love other people telling them they cant use it. That goes down really well.

Im over 18. i can vote and i can die for my country, and noone is going to tell me, what i can or cant watch on my computer at 3am when i want to crack one off.
The UK Government can tell Google "how they will do business" specifically relating to their UK arm or regarding any business that is conducted in the UK.

Google is merely a company who's headquarters is over the Atlantic, they are registered all over the world and have offices everywhere.

It's not a case of telling Google how to run their company as a whole, just how they do business in the UK. If they don't abide by law, then they don't do business. That doesn't affect the company as a whole.

Also as you know, the American constitution has no legal standing in the UK. It is null and void.

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Default 07-22-2013, 19:15 | posts: 4,545 | Location: Netherlands

So anyone that opts out, comes on a possible "danger" list? They "might" be(come) child molestors. Watching porn is such a felony.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 19:25 | posts: 10,556 | Location: United kingdom

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So anyone that opts out, comes on a possible "danger" list? They "might" be(come) child molestors. Watching porn is such a felony.
Atm any sick ****o could have access to this stuff but by the government making you "opt in" i guess your then put on a list of people who requested to "opt in".

All it does is single a large portion of people out that can be monitored. If your watching normal porn and nothing else then there is nothing to worry about.

Saying all that though Cameron is a **** and i bet he has other plans once the foundation is laid down.
   
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Default 07-22-2013, 19:29 | posts: 3,926 | Location: Cheshire, England

Proxies/VPN/TOR will get around any filters, just look at TPB and how ineffective the filters are

and Cameron cannot be trusted no Tory MP can, next it'll be the NHS being bundled off and sold, they are already trying with Royal Mail
   
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