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So I've decided to go Haswell, input please!
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Default So I've decided to go Haswell, input please! - 07-20-2013, 02:41 | posts: 841

Yep, finally decided (well a few beers actually) to go the Haswell/Broadwell route and need some guidance in choosing components.

I prefer ASUS boards (even though my current X58 hates my new 780 hence it's in a mates system) so looked at the Z87-Deluxe, I gather it will do x16 on dual slots (PLX) if I want SLI?

CPU: obviously the 4770K, even I could make that decision

RAM: Not sure, looked at 16GB of Corsair Vengeance Pro but could lower speed RAM be used and still hit 2400?

Cooler: Kraken X60, even though it's not hole compatible with my HAF932 case, but I'll make the fcuker fit

FANS: Stock fans on the Kraken are 5h1te and noisy, any recommendations on replacement 140mm fans like the Noctua NF-A14?

Already have a Corsair 1200w PSU, GTX780 and an SSD as boot drive so don't need anything else for this build.

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Default 07-20-2013, 04:51 | posts: 8,094 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Ram pick 2133 CL9 or 2400 CL9/CL10, my can do 2400 at CL10-11-11-30 but it doesnt show any benefit at OC'ed freq., actually i got worse read and copy speeds in Aida64 (lost ~5gb/s).


That mobo is good, although try to avoid AISuite3..


Fans Noctua NF-A14 FLX 1200rpm would be no1 pick imo, but they're a bit expensive.
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=p...s_id=52&lng=en
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 05:58 | posts: 17

I'd follow TJ's suggestions...it worked for me. The Asus Z87 Deluxe is a monster board.

My other recommendations would be a Sound Blaster Z and a Corsair H80i or 100i if your case can handle it. I'm idling at 29c and the highest I have seen under load is 45c. That's at 3.9 ghz...an amazing build so far...
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 11:32 | posts: 841

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Ram pick 2133 CL9 or 2400 CL9/CL10, my can do 2400 at CL10-11-11-30 but it doesnt show any benefit at OC'ed freq., actually i got worse read and copy speeds in Aida64 (lost ~5gb/s).


That mobo is good, although try to avoid AISuite3..


Fans Noctua NF-A14 FLX 1200rpm would be no1 pick imo, but they're a bit expensive.
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=p...s_id=52&lng=en
Think I'll go for the Vengeance Pro then as they are 2400 and have GOLD Heatspreaders so will match the board For me price isn't really a deciding factor, if those Noctua FLX Fans are better then that's what I'll order.

One problem I've encountered on ASUS boards is the location of the 8pin CPU connector, if fitting a RAD in the top of the case and you want push/pull then one of the fans will not fit due to it fouling the 8pin connector. A mate has the Cosmos2 case and even in that he had to lose one fan on his RAD because of this. I've still not seen if this board can do 16x/16x in SLI yet though!

Also noticed there's a DUAL version of this board, is that just because it's got Thunderbolt?

*EDIT*
Just found out that the DUAL has Thunderbolt and an NFC (Near Field Communication) device for mobile devices, so seeing as I only have a symbian phone I'll stick with the normal DELUXE board!!

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I'd follow TJ's suggestions...it worked for me. The Asus Z87 Deluxe is a monster board.

My other recommendations would be a Sound Blaster Z and a Corsair H80i or 100i if your case can handle it. I'm idling at 29c and the highest I have seen under load is 45c. That's at 3.9 ghz...an amazing build so far...
I'm sticking with onboard sound for now as I only have a pair of Commodore A10 speakers, had em' for years and they still pump out decent sound, besides I don't have anywhere to put 5.1/7.1 system!! The Kraken would be a better choice due to 140mm RAD, fitting it my HAF932 will be a fiddle as I'll have to either tie wrap it in place or drill out some holes!!

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Default 07-20-2013, 17:24 | posts: 8,094 | Location: Urban`Jungle

ram looks good

or maybe this if you dont mind 4x4
http://geizhals.at/eu/teamgroup-xtre...1-a941204.html

http://geizhals.at/eu/mushkin-enhanc...4-a819541.html

Mine is 4x4 and no issues.



Yeah go Kraken or H110 if you want to test beyond 4.7ghz, i think my H90 could do 4.7-4.8ghz too, but only with custom push pull.

That Noctua FLX has the highest h20 pressure 1.51 at low 1200rpm (silent and efficient)
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 19:14 | posts: 841

Will probably be buying everything from Scan in the UK -Tj- as they have all parts in stock and Mushkin/TG RAM they don't stock, in fact they only stock Corsair ATM for Dual Channel 1800Mhz+ DDR3 RAM so got to go Corsair!!

The only hiccup is the motherboard, the Z87-Deluxe has WiFi which I'll never use so no point getting that! Been doing some reading and there seems to be a lack of dual x16 slot Z87 boards due to 16 lanes to the CPU or they use a PLX chip with all the problems that brings with latency. Would like to pop another 780 in later down the road but most boards will only run x16/x8 in SLI, or fake 16x/16x using PLX MSI have some nice boards and have a dedicated x16 slot for the GPU, looking at the Z87-Sabretooth it lacks a PLX chip so thinking this would be a good board too.

I'm going to have to go 780/460(PhysX) combo anyway for graphics and be satisified with that for now. I'll defo want to OC the CPU so that's why I went for the Kraken X60 and coupled with a 780 should get some decent gaming performance out of it.

So, to sum up it looks like I'll be ordering:

ASUS Z87-SABERTOOTH
i7 4770K
2x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro CAS 10-12-12-31
Kraken X60
2 x Noctua NF-A14 FLX

Unless you Gurus know any reasons to not order this setup?
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 20:06 | posts: 24,260 | Location: NZ

Looks fine.

Fyi Thunderbolt doesn't have future, it's going the way of Firewire.
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 21:54 | posts: 841

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Looks fine.

Fyi Thunderbolt doesn't have future, it's going the way of Firewire.
Yep, I chose the SABERTOOTH as it has neither Thunderbolt nor WiFi so won't be paying for stuff I don't need/want/or use.

Anyway, just ordered the lot and delivery is a LOL:

   
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any soundcard in that setup of yours?
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 22:13 | posts: 841

No, I said so in one of my replies. Reason being is I don't have a 5.1/7.1 sound system to take advantage of it as I simply don't have the room for such a system anyway.

I'm also getting my 780 back tomorrow, mate just rung and said he'd read this post so thought I might want it back
   
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Why not a good set of headphones with a soundcard? Good audio is an essential part of the gaming experience.
   
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No, I said so in one of my replies. Reason being is I don't have a 5.1/7.1 sound system to take advantage of it as I simply don't have the room for such a system anyway.

I'm also getting my 780 back tomorrow, mate just rung and said he'd read this post so thought I might want it back
Then a 2.1 sb for example XFI Titanium HD?
   
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I use headphones 99% of the time. Surely you have room for a that.
   
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Default 07-20-2013, 22:58 | posts: 841

I'm a bit of an oddball in that respect. I just can't get along with wearing headphones and I can't stand surround sound, it just irritates me hearing sound from all directions. It's the main reason I don't go to the cinema anymore. It's the old Marmite syndrome, you either love it or hate it!!
   
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Default 07-23-2013, 20:03 | posts: 841

Not DSLR quality i'm afraid, 2MP phone camera and Paintshop Pro



Think this will be a weekend build as my HAF932 will need modding to get the Kraken to fit, the PSU needs moving from the top to the bottom of the case so cables will need re-routing and the OS will also need a fresh install due to the motherboard so not going to get all that done in one night.

Tempted to delid the chip as well (Has well ) and see what the Kraken does to the temps!!
   
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Good Idea
   
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Default 07-23-2013, 21:44 | posts: 17

I'm idling right now at 29c. There's no need to delid a Haswell and risk ruining your cpu. Unless of course you want to just for the adventure!!!!
   
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I'm idling right now at 29c. There's no need to delid a Haswell and risk ruining your cpu. Unless of course you want to just for the adventure!!!!
Unless you run high overclocks with high voltages.
   
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I'm idling right now at 29c. There's no need to delid a Haswell and risk ruining your cpu. Unless of course you want to just for the adventure!!!!
De-liding really helps load temps. What are your load temps also what are you clocked at and what voltage?
   
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Default 07-23-2013, 22:03 | posts: 17

I'm running at 3.9 ghz right now. Under load in games it stays around 33-40c. My goal is longevity...the voltage is 1.216...a little high probably.
   
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To high! I need that for 4.6Ghz.. Is it at auto or manual voltage?

I bet you could use only ~1.050v.
   
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Default 07-23-2013, 23:39 | posts: 841

Delidding intrigues me, but I have reservations about actually doing it!! I have a big vice, a wooden mallet and a block of wood which destiny seems to have marked for delidding Haswell

Once the chip has been delidded though, do people clean the glue from the IHS and substrate before plopping it back onto the chip? Which TIM is recommended as I've read that 'normal' TIM like AS5 etc suffer form 'push out' or 'pump out' where subsequent heating/cooling of the TIM will force the TIM out from the die if spread too thick resulting in far worse temps than when lidded.

The trend in TIM for a delidded Haswell seems to be 'Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra' which is a metal based TIM so use with caution as contact with the VRMs could short them out and kill the chip That is, if you didn't kill it already by smacking it with a lump of wood and a big fcuk off Mallet

Then there's the other argument, do you actually need the IHS at all? Can you just clamp onto the naked die and risk cracking it with your heatsink/waterblock, and, if they actually contact the die at all and overheat it??

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I would wait with delidding until the chip is a bit older. Killing your warranty on a fresh chip just seems like asking for wasted money, especially if you never have delidded a CPU before.
   
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Agree, no rush.. Btw the heat is only because of glue thickness.


And yeah remove all the glue from IHS and chip.
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Default 07-24-2013, 11:59 | posts: 841

Right, thanks guys, I'll put the mallet down now and wait Might as well see what the Kraken does to stock temps vs overclock temps then decide if it's 'Hammer Time'

I've watched a number of delidding vids, including the one you linked to -Tj-, but none specifically said to remove the glue. Some forums have mentioned removing it just like you do with TIM so it eliminates the gap caused by the glue, which seems to be the main reason why IB/Haswell run hot as the gap between IHS and die is increased slightly so the TIM can't efficiently transfer the heat. So it's not just the TIM that's issue but the 'glue gap' too making IB/Haswell getting a bit hot under the collar.
   
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