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Default AMD Unleashes 5 GHz Processor - 06-11-2013, 14:33 | posts: 21,532 | Location: Guru3D testlab

AMD today unveiled its most powerful member of the legendary AMD FX family of CPUs, the world’s first commercially available 5 GHz CPU processor, the AMD FX-9590. These 8-core CPUs deliver n...

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Default 06-11-2013, 14:41 | posts: 176 | Location: Florida

One of my boys has an 8350 currently so I would be interested in this for him as long as the price isn't outrageous (when available).

Edit: And the performance is adequately increased over the 8350.

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Yeah, so the naming scheme completely broke their lineup. Way to go AMD.
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 15:05 | posts: 28 | Location: Orlando

If the FX-9590 is around $200, and they don't already have high voltage on them I'll consider one considering I need at least 1.5v for 5Ghz an I don't like those temps.
   
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Still have the 220W TDP?
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 15:21 | posts: 441 | Location: MA, USA

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Yeah, so the naming scheme completely broke their lineup. Way to go AMD.
Kind of but not really. Nobody is going to make a 9 core CPU, and overclocking an 8 core CPU to 5GHz is almost like adding a 9th core.

Does make me wonder what the turbo speeds and power usage will be like. In other words, are these just simply pre-overclocked 8350s or is there an architectural difference?


Oh and while the article never said AMD was the first to break the 5GHz barrier at stock speed, I just wanted to clarify that they're not. IBM did this with Power6.
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 15:30 | posts: 9,302 | Location: Toledo

So this thing is real after all, lmao.
   
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Kind of but not really. Nobody is going to make a 9 core CPU, and overclocking an 8 core CPU to 5GHz is almost like adding a 9th core.

Does make me wonder what the turbo speeds and power usage will be like. In other words, are these just simply pre-overclocked 8350s or is there an architectural difference?


Oh and while the article never said AMD was the first to break the 5GHz barrier at stock speed, I just wanted to clarify that they're not. IBM did this with Power6.
5ghz is the turbo clock... and unless I'm mistaken Power6 isn't x86 which would make AMD the first to 5ghz on x86. AMD is the first to 5ghz with a consumer processor anyway...


   
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Default 06-11-2013, 15:43 | posts: 441 | Location: MA, USA

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5ghz is the turbo clock... and unless I'm mistaken Power6 isn't x86 which would make AMD the first to 5ghz on x86. AMD is the first to 5ghz with a consumer processor anyway...
Oh yeah, I didn't read those last 2 lines of the article, my bad.

But anyways, you're right - Power6 is PPC based, but it is also considerably older, which make's it's feat a bit more impressive, even though it is (somewhat anyway) a RISC architecture.
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 16:42 | posts: 784 | Location: Portugal

TDP....? do i need a power plant..?
   
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You getting one of these in to test boss?
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 18:00 | posts: 77 | Location: Denmark

Hope to see a review of this beast here soon

will it come with an integrated gpu as haswell ? i hope not, prefer cpu to be...cpu.

waiting for review to see if this is the one to move me from intel to AMD
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 18:09 | posts: 441 | Location: MA, USA

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will it come with an integrated gpu as haswell ? i hope not, prefer cpu to be...cpu.
No, I'm not sure how that's physically possible for AMD, or even a wise choice if it were. Aside from this being AM3+, which has no APU support, I don't think there's room on the die to fit 8 cores and a GPU. Aside from the fact that AMD uses a larger fab size than Intel, they also have 8 physical cores, whereas Intel has 4 cores with 2 logical threads each.

Also, check out overclock results of 8300 series processors now. If that's not enough to convince you, the FX-9000 series probably won't either. I'd recommend waiting for Steamroller, since that's what the new gen consoles are based on (and therefore micro-optimizations for them ought to affect you to some degree) and SR ought to have a lot of much-needed improvements, particularly with single-threaded tasks. I myself would go for SR if I could get a guarantee it'd work on my board, but since there's maybe a 40% chance it will, I went for the FX-6300.

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Default 06-11-2013, 22:08 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

Can it OC? If it can get even a pathetic 20% OC to 6GHz and has a $200 price point like its predecessors then it might be worth buying for heavily multithreaded scenarios. Might...

After Haswell I've been dying to see AMD come up with anything to compete.

Oh and:

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Default 06-11-2013, 22:20 | posts: 441 | Location: MA, USA

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Can it OC? If it can get even a pathetic 20% OC to 6GHz and has a $200 price point like its predecessors then it might be worth buying for heavily multithreaded scenarios. Might...

After Haswell I've been dying to see AMD come up with anything to compete.
According to the article, it has OCing headroom, but I too would be surprised if you could get a 20% increase, though, 20% isn't pathetic when we're talking frequencies this high, and 8 cores. I'm assuming this is going to be a lot like the FX-6350, where it's basically just a pre-overclocked version of it's predecessors.


Also, I wouldn't say you have much of a right to expect AMD to come up with a competitive product when you spend (presumably) over $1k on their competitor's Xeons... To me, people whining about AMD's performance while buying Intel is, in hindsight, hypocritical. When you consider AMD's net income is several billion dollars behind intel's PROFITS, it's just unrealistic to think they're going to suddenly do better than Intel in everything you care about.
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 22:20 | posts: 18,916 | Location: New Jersey, USA

that might be as high as you can go 5ghz, there might not be any oc overhead left
   
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Also, I wouldn't say you have much of a right to expect AMD to come up with a competitive product when you spend (presumably) over $1k on their competitor's Xeons... To me, people whining about AMD's performance while buying Intel is, in hindsight, hypocritical. When you consider AMD's net income is several billion dollars behind intel's PROFITS, it's just unrealistic to think they're going to suddenly do better than Intel in everything you care about.
Generally there are two different lines of Xeons for every generation, one which costs a ridiculous amount, and one which costs just a bit more than their regular i7 counterparts. This is basically an i7 930 I got since Intel was selling bad batches of i7s at the time, it was the most assured way to avoid their bad batches. The 950 I had couldn't OC for squat, this thing can do over 4.3 on air.

You have quite a skewed perspective of what whining is. AMD have been failing to compete since 2006. Taking the OC into consideration along with what I do with a CPU, this was actually the best performance for the price when I bought it. AMD offering better bang for the buck is a myth, it only occurs in the rarest of scenarios.

Hoping AMD comes up with clock for clock performance above their old Phenom 2 line is not that crazy.

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If these perform well and have some performance enhancements over my i7 960 D0 @ 4.2GHz I might actually consider getting one of these and making the jump to AMD. After all money is very tight at the moment and these chips are priced very nicely indeed. If there is OC headroom which the article suggests their is, as why would they unlock the multiplier if there wasn't any room for improvements. Also 220W TDP is not that bad for an 8-Core 5GHz out the box CPU. When you consider my current CPU has a TDP of 130W @ 3.2GHz for four cores! I have it at 4.2GHz and obviously that TDP would have gone up due to me overclocking it. So if these can get to even 5.5GHz with resonable temps on a H100 cooler in push>pull I will be sold. Those two extra cores will come in handy when video editing as well
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 22:38 | posts: 441 | Location: MA, USA

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You have quite a skewed perspective of what whining is. AMD have been failing to compete since 2006. At its price point, and taking the OC into consideration along with what I do with a CPU, this was actually the best performance for its price when I bought it. AMD offering better bang for the buck is a myth, it only occurs in the rarest of scenarios.

Hoping AMD comes up with clock for clock performance above their old Phenom 2 line is not that crazy.
In a financial point of view, they've failed to compete since the beginning of x86. In a performance perspective, they really only started falling behind to an uncomfortable level when the Core 2 Quad came out. When i7 was first released, that's when people decided to ditch loyalty to AMD. When Sandy Bridge came out, that's when AMD started to need to let go a massive % of their work force due to unsuccessful sales.

Also, AMD created this new architecture knowing that it would be worse than Phenom clock per clock. Even if they had Intel's income, I don't think they'd have any immediate plans to fix that. They chose the shorter-pipeline-faster-freq route because it was the most cost and time effective approach to a much needed architecture overhaul. So, regardless of money, it's still unrealistic for them to design something that is faster clock per clock. At this rate, they just need to focus on higher frequencies with less power consumption.
   
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Default 06-11-2013, 22:40 | posts: 4,612 | Location: Israel

Would be intersting to see vs 5.0ghz ivy or most likely 4.6-4.8 ivy and Sandy. though i think that what said about FX 8350 could be said about the new 9XXX. however intel need kick in the ass after the fail haswell(just in terms of heat and oc headroom, they LIED)
   
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Would be intersting to see vs 5.0ghz ivy or most likely 4.6-4.8 ivy and Sandy. though i think that what said about FX 8350 could be said about the new 9XXX. however intel need kick in the ass after the fail haswell(just in terms of heat and oc headroom, they LIED)
Intel didn't lie about anything, all that happened was that unsubstantiated rumors were proven untrue.
   
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Aside from the fact that AMD uses a larger fab size than Intel, they also have 8 physical cores, whereas Intel has 4 cores with 2 logical threads each.
No, AMD does not have "8 cores", it has four modules. Each of those modules has 2 Integer cores + 1 Floating point cores. They also share between them a fetcher, decoder and L2 in each module.
   
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Intel didn't lie about anything, all that happened was that unsubstantiated rumors were proven untrue.
Is this logic I'm sensing? What is this madness?
   
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Would be intersting to see vs 5.0ghz ivy or most likely 4.6-4.8 ivy and Sandy.
Why wait?

FX-8350 @ 4.8Ghz vs. i7-3770k at 4.8GHz:


   
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yep just what i though.
   
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