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Remarkable Review of the FX-8350 (found buried in another thread)
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Default Remarkable Review of the FX-8350 (found buried in another thread) - 06-06-2013, 17:04 | posts: 223 | Location: Oregon

This guy tests the FX-8350 vs the Intel 3570K vs 3770K and a 3820, in some more games besides Crysis and Battlefield 3, where we typically see Intel pulling ahead, and also in streaming. The AMD destroys! Awesome to see, and makes me more comfortable recommending the AMD part to people wanting to game.

Benchmark Video

The actual benchmark numbers + test build info

Despite one messup a little after 4 minutes, the video is a lot easier to watch than reading the benchmarks. There are no pretty graphs

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Default 06-06-2013, 18:51 | posts: 1,599 | Location: Unknown

Every unbiased Hardware website will show you otherwise.
   
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Default 06-06-2013, 21:26 | posts: 2,914 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

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Every unbiased Hardware website will show you otherwise.
and who's to say these "unbiased hardware websites" aren't biased towards Intel? AMD fans like sources that say they win, Intel fans like sources that say they win. Its the same old crap, same old story every time, and it will never change.
   
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Default 06-06-2013, 22:33 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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Every unbiased Hardware website will show you otherwise.
Humans are in nature biased, we all interpret data differently. We try to be impartial but there's always going to be biasm based on how we conduct a test and what tests to conduct. What to omit when conducting a test and in the report.

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Default 06-06-2013, 23:41 | posts: 18,702 | Location: New Jersey, USA

Freaking teksyndicate again.
   
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Default 06-06-2013, 23:49 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

That review is bull****, everyone in the industry puts forward different numbers but that random Youtube guy.

Seriously, if you are looking for CPU reviews on Youtube, you are really getting desperate.



The FX-8350 uses nearly 2.5 times the power to complete the same workload as an i7-4770k, and it is far slower yet.
   
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Default 06-07-2013, 00:38 | posts: 13,544 | Location: USA

AMD does not destroy. I'm not sure where pople keep getting this idea from. Am I missing something here? Also, that "review" is complete sh!t. The FX-8350 performs exactly how a $180 AMD cpu should.



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That review is bull****, everyone in the industry puts forward different numbers but that random Youtube guy.
We know. Well at least anyone with half a brain does. Contrary to popular belief, not all AMD users suffer from grandiose delusions.
   
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Default 06-07-2013, 00:54 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

Honestly, YouTube reviews are like Wikipedia articles, they can be posted by basically anyone. Unfortunately, you can't correct YouTube reviews...

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Default 06-07-2013, 00:56 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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AMD does not destroy. I'm not sure where pople keep getting this idea from. Am I missing something here? Also, that "review" is complete sh!t. The FX-8350 performs exactly how a $180 AMD cpu should.





We know. Well at least anyone with half a brain does. Contrary to popular belief, not all AMD users suffer from grandiose delusions.
Indeed.

We're discussing semantics here for the most part, any CPU (besides Atom) produced in the last 6 years is more than fast enough for 99% of users and uses out there on a regular desktop.

Still doesn't change the benchmark results though.

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[IMG]http://dontdrinkbeer.files.**************/2011/12/1595201-oh_look_its_this_thread_again_super.jpg[/IMG]
No matter what you think of the results, Logan is NOT some random guy on youtube. I have been following him for years and definitely would agree with much of what he says. (Not everything, mind you but, whatever.)

Look, it's a bunch of random internet dudes on a website calling a professional "some guy", who would have thunk it?

I love that pic.

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Default 06-07-2013, 17:31 | posts: 223 | Location: Oregon

I don't think the 8350 destroys Intel. It loses to similarly priced Intel CPU's in a lot, if not most applications, and the Intel uses less power. However, the youtube video was a gaming performance review. And it showed that the Intel was faster in some newer games, which is how it should be, and how most review sites show the two stacking up. It was just cool to see a few games tested that aren't normally. And the addition of live streaming was an interesting twist as well. Of course I'm taking his review with a grain of salt. Calm down guys!
   
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his review should be taken with a boatload of salt. does he get paid directly by amd?
   
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No matter what you think of the results, Logan is NOT some random guy on youtube. I have been following him for years and definitely would agree with much of what he says. (Not everything, mind you but, whatever.)

Look, it's a bunch of random internet dudes on a website calling a professional "some guy", who would have thunk it?

I love that pic.
Sorry, but Logan is only known for doing videos for tigerdirect. I can point you to a dozen different reviews with the exact opposite of his testing. Are you going to tell me he is right and all the other reputable sites are wrong? Where is the logic in that?
   
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Sorry, but Logan is only known for doing videos for tigerdirect. I can point you to a dozen different reviews with the exact opposite of his testing. Are you going to tell me he is right and all the other reputable sites are wrong? Where is the logic in that?
There isn't any.
   
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People are still comparing a CPU cheaper than an i5-3570K with the i7-3770k/i7-4770k. If you do a price/performance comparison, then it will be a lot more in AMD's favour.
   
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People are still comparing a CPU cheaper than an i5-3570K with the i7-3770k/i7-4770k. If you do a price/performance comparison, then it will be a lot more in AMD's favour.
We've been over this.

Just because AMD doesn't have a CPU to compete at the price point, doesn't mean taking their top CPU and comparing it is invalid.

You also have to figure in the higher energy costs for the AMD CPU, twice the amount of power and nearly 2.5x the power per workload are not trivial figures.
   
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We've been over this.

Just because AMD doesn't have a CPU to compete at the price point, doesn't mean taking their top CPU and comparing it is invalid.

You also have to figure in the higher energy costs for the AMD CPU, twice the amount of power and nearly 2.5x the power per workload are not trivial figures.
Take the time and watch tek syndicates video on power consumption, I think you will find it interesting.
   
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Take the time and watch tek syndicates video on power consumption, I think you will find it interesting.
His review is off the deep end in comparison with every single other reviewer on the internet.

Just look at his results for Metro 2033 1440p, and then Anandtech's results:



They are all GPU limited even by a 7970 (he used a 7870) and within the margin of error. In other words, no difference. Yet somehow by him he gets 20fps with the FX-8350 and 12 FPS with the i7-3770k.... bull**** alarm!

I'm sick of this video being brought up; this guy either did something wrong or was outright forging the results; I personally don't care to waste another minute with this fraud and his disproved nonsense.

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Default 06-09-2013, 06:35 | posts: 93 | Location: Cincinnati,Ohio, USA

Please, even when i had an AMD i accepted the fact that for 95% of uses they are slower. I didn't care i just played my games, I didn't go hunting down the one guy on youtube who says otherwise like it's a revelation.
   
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Default 06-10-2013, 12:28 | posts: 185

When it comes to any similar discussion I trust to LinX based benchmark with fixed problem size to 9992, while they are using same settings for memory. Game based benches are far off any normal results...

Results of CPU cannot be divided from results of memory and mainboard as well.

I have to mention two things - AMD has far better memory controllers than Intel in means of overclocking and tightening of memory latencies, but Intel usually has better performance on single cpu core...

On the other hand AMD produces CPUs balanced with GPUs, while Intel is not even dreaming about such HW performance on graphics...
   
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That guy again. He's full of bs.
   
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and who's to say these "unbiased hardware websites" aren't biased towards Intel? AMD fans like sources that say they win, Intel fans like sources that say they win. Its the same old crap, same old story every time, and it will never change.
Stop with the jokes please.
   
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We've been over this.

Just because AMD doesn't have a CPU to compete at the price point, doesn't mean taking their top CPU and comparing it is invalid.

You also have to figure in the higher energy costs for the AMD CPU, twice the amount of power and nearly 2.5x the power per workload are not trivial figures.
Please do not make unsubstantiated claims like this because, well, it just does not work they way you claim it does. (Unless, of course, you are running your computer on 100% load 24/7 then, you are unique or running a server farm.)
   
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It works just like that though.
   
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