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Default AMD loses 2nd place processor market, now 4th - 05-21-2013, 15:05 | posts: 21,314 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Qualcomm and Samsung each passed Advanced Micro Devices Inc. in microprocessor sales in 2012, thanks to a slowdown in PC sales coupled with strong growth in smartphone and media tablet sales, accordin...

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Default 05-21-2013, 15:21 | posts: 24,225 | Location: NZ

Typo in title..."looses" should be "loses".
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 15:49 | posts: 68 | Location: Portsmouth

the very minute the new consoles come out AMD will be 1st.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 15:53 | posts: 4,270 | Location: Serbia, NS

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the very minute the new consoles come out AMD will be 1st.
If you take a look at the chart you will see that intel is dominating by far.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 15:57 | posts: 5,589 | Location: Switzerland

Dont forget, this is on $ .. not units. Qualcomm or Samsung certainly product more MPU unit of Intel.. but at 15$ . ( a bit more over the last year for Qualcomm and Samsung ).

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Default 05-21-2013, 17:12 | posts: 540

A shame but sadly their CPUs suck compared to Intel, for general end user use anyways.

What I wanna know is the CPU they're supplying in the consoles, surely that cannot be good can it?
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 17:22 | posts: 678 | Location: The far side of the moon

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A shame but sadly their CPUs suck compared to Intel, for general end user use anyways.

What I wanna know is the CPU they're supplying in the consoles, surely that cannot be good can it?
I wouldn't necessarily say suck. Their processors are very good, it's just that intel has much faster ones in the higher class segment. But when taken into context, the processors of intel that are much faster compared to amd in the higher segment, aren't THAT interesting other than a "small" portion of the market.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 18:39 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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A shame but sadly their CPUs suck compared to Intel, for general end user use anyways.

What I wanna know is the CPU they're supplying in the consoles, surely that cannot be good can it?
Ummm... most people on this forum aren't "general end user" and is usually the enthusiasts who don't want AMD hardware because they can't completely go toe-to-toe with Intel. However, in the mainstream market, AMD has the full capability going toe-to-toe with Intel.

We are not the "general end user", we're part of the enthusiast market which is much smaller but more vocal.

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Default 05-21-2013, 18:45 | posts: 2,151 | Location: far,far from home

Yep,Delta is right.
to the people i sold AMD,i always told that it is a more cheap "wintel cpu",and after a long time feedback is coming"Dude,that cpu was/is fantastic,what is it , i5 ?"Nope,A10.Wow,i have an A10!!!
sorry,but i couldn't help sometimes at work,it eliminates boredom.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 18:57 | posts: 244 | Location: Southern Cal

The fact that the AMD 8350 is typically $100 cheaper than the 3770k, yet nearly performs toe to toe, even outperforms it in some multimedia applications, says a lot. Intel is for the enthusiasts of enthusiasts, people who are willing to pay insane prices for their hardware. And consider that without AMD, Intel would be without an x86 competitor and would be robbing you enthusiasts blind.

That aside, I think it's clear that once next gen consoles come out, AMD will be sitting in the #2 or #3 spot again.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 19:00 | posts: 533 | Location: France

AMD have little by little let other go forward mainly because when it melt with ATI it was needing fund to keep GPU in the run.

1st they let server/pro side die, end of the 90' opteron were bleeding edge, last server i have seen on AMD was on 2002 and was on the way to be change by xeon (more power, more power saving and more reliable)

then the mainstream CPU... fact is that the best AMD 8 core cannot compete with i5, in 99% of the app (sad i think).

on other hand AMD invested a lot on the integrated CPU/GPU, i think it's a good tactic as the company cannot fight with Intel right now, and they do a pretty good job (android x86 work very nice on AMD)... but carefull, Intel started to attack on this front too.

but shouldn't be even more nice to goes ARM way? ARM is by definition more versatile than x86.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 19:07 | posts: 533 | Location: France

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That aside, I think it's clear that once next gen consoles come out, AMD will be sitting in the #2 or #3 spot again.
if it sell as XBox 360 and PS3... good luck
   
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I ditched ATI cards, they have the worst drivers ever.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 21:16 | posts: 385 | Location: Lithuania

I don't really know how it goes toe to toe looking at this chart. This chart is about High end and low end, if you say, that it's small number of people who purchase high end cpu's, so this chart shouldn't show such a big difference between AMD and Intel if it goes toe to toe in lower end. I think, the reality here is simple, if AMD won't show competition in this market, dark days are coming to them and to us.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 23:12 | posts: 533 | Location: France

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I don't really know how it goes toe to toe looking at this chart. This chart is about High end and low end, if you say, that it's small number of people who purchase high end cpu's, so this chart shouldn't show such a big difference between AMD and Intel if it goes toe to toe in lower end. I think, the reality here is simple, if AMD won't show competition in this market, dark days are coming to them and to us.
toe to toe despite good at low and mid range people chose more and more intel, hoping to update to high end whenever they never do.

there is even only 2 shop that still have AM3+ at the catalog in my town all other do Intel only.
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 23:14 | posts: 533 | Location: France

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I ditched ATI cards, they have the worst drivers ever.
yes, drivers are awful, but that's another problem (if you are fan of one or other plz don't awnser lol).
   
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Default 05-21-2013, 23:55 | posts: 970 | Location: Canada

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toe to toe despite good at low and mid range people chose more and more intel, hoping to update to high end whenever they never do.

there is even only 2 shop that still have AM3+ at the catalog in my town all other do Intel only.
AMD got toe to toe ? Intel released most of the CPUs that out performed AMD 's CPU like 2 years ago. AMD just caught with those Intel CPUs few months ago. AMD is very very late and the most recent CPUs draw too much power and have overheating problems.
   
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Default 05-22-2013, 00:31 | posts: 824 | Location: Greece

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However, in the mainstream market, AMD has the full capability going toe-to-toe with Intel
They can only do that by selling high-end CPUs (with large die size) as mainstream. This is not a healthy competition; it's not even a competition. AMD is selling their units below their normal sale price, because otherwise it wouldn't be able to sell at all, the way they perform.

The fact that when I go to the store I can buy an $200 AMD unit with a comparable performance to a similarly priced Intel unit doesn't mean that AMD is capable of competing with Intel in mainstream. If you compare the similarly retail-priced i5-3470 with the FX-8350 you have:

Core i5-3470: 133 mm^2
FX-8350: 315 mm^2

Being more than 2 times larger, the FX-8350 can have a production cost that is 3 or 4 times higher than that of the i5-3470. Does AMD make money by selling the 8350? Or did they plan to design a 315 mm^2 chip to struggle to compete with an 133 mm^2 one?

The Bulldozer-like architecture is just not a successful one, actually a fiasko. And for the same reason AMD can't compete with high-end Intel CPUs, it can't compete with mainstream and low-end either; at least when you compare apples to apples. Selling large CPUs as mainstream or low ends is something you do only when you don't have a choice. It can be as bad as selling below production cost.
   
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Default 05-22-2013, 01:15 | posts: 5,589 | Location: Switzerland

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A shame but sadly their CPUs suck compared to Intel, for general end user use anyways.

What I wanna know is the CPU they're supplying in the consoles, surely that cannot be good can it?
This is stupid, there cpu are really good for general use, in high end desktop use they just dont top Intel offer and dont by far ( since IB, Intel have reduce his gain from a generation to another and its good for AMD, they are at some % ) ... in professionnal use, this is another story, with their 24-32 cores cpu who cost less of the xeon and equal them in term of performance ...

In term of CPU+GPU ( extremely sold in the netbook space like ultra book etc ) Intel is unable to rivalize with AMD, thanks to their APU . )


The problem on general use, is the cpu x86 are anyway too much powerfull for the type of software and the work are ask peoples .. its why ARM can start to grow up... tablet, smartphone, they are not even as powerfull as the most low end cpu x86 .. but its just now the lower end cpu are enough for take the task and do it smoothly.

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Default 05-22-2013, 05:20 | posts: 63 | Location: Hackettstown, New Jersey

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...neck,3407.html

So sad. :^(
   
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AMD revenue down 29%
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Default AMD revenue down 29% - 05-22-2013, 06:03 | posts: 15

Its all about revenue. The profits from gaming console GPU are very small, in the 10-15 dollar region. Its not enough to keep AMD from shrinking if they don't improve other revenue streams.
   
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Default 05-22-2013, 10:27 | posts: 207 | Location: Dublin

Future is bleak for AMD. Consoles will help it sell more chips but i believe they will not earn much money as it is obvious that they had to push the price for chips down a lot to get into that business. Its a pity. Would like to see some competition in CPU&GPU to lower the prices. Seems its still Intel/Nvidia for enthusiasts for next year..
   
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Default 05-22-2013, 10:37 | posts: 5,950 | Location: Wolverhampton/United Kingdom

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the very minute the new consoles come out AMD will be 1st.
Nope they will go second again, but I think 3rd is where they will. The rate that the S3 sold and the S4 is looking set to beat that as well! Samsung will stay around for a while longer. I don't see as many people as you think instantly adopting to the new consoles at launch. Sure they WILL be the hottest things this Christmas and sell tons. However, I think people are a lot more cautious when it comes to money now and you might see a lot of people buying second hand 360's, PS3's, DS's, or simply sticking with the tablet route.

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Future is bleak for AMD. Consoles will help it sell more chips but i believe they will not earn much money as it is obvious that they had to push the price for chips down a lot to get into that business. Its a pity. Would like to see some competition in CPU&GPU to lower the prices. Seems its still Intel/Nvidia for enthusiasts for next year..
Don't forget they are not just doing the GPU but the CPU as well as they are basically supplying BOTH Sony and Microsoft with an APU to maximize performance but keep costs low. They are also supplying a GPU to Nintendo for the Wii U.

They need to push more for the notebook, netbook, and ultrabook markets. I STILL see Intel ad's everywhere I go for these devices. If they can also get into the tablet market with one of those APU's and still keep price down, and still keep performance up, and power consumption down too they will make it big.

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Default 05-22-2013, 12:09 | posts: 385 | Location: Lithuania

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there is even only 2 shop that still have AM3+ at the catalog in my town all other do Intel only.
So demand for AMDs is so low in your town? Or it's just retailers who thinks so?
   
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Default 05-22-2013, 17:31 | posts: 16,596 | Location: US East Coast

wow, this thread went way off topic.....

That chart is skewed to make it appear as Samsung has more market share than they really do. AMD is actually in 3rd....not 4th. IC Insights combined the market share of Apple and Samsung to make it look like Samsung has more market share than they really do.

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but shouldn't be even more nice to goes ARM way? ARM is by definition more versatile than x86.
You're wrong.... ARM is RISC based...which is less capable than x86, which is CISC. RISC is great for simple operations and easily outperforms equivalent CISC processors. However, in complex operations, RISC processors are generally slower due to a need to process more instructions to reach the same result.


   
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