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Default Microsoft might rethink on Windows 8 flagship software - 05-08-2013, 07:26 | posts: 19,550 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Microsoft is preparing to reverse course over key elements of its Windows 8 operating system, marking one of the most prominent admissions of failure for a new mass-market consumer product since Coca-...

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Default 05-08-2013, 10:53 | posts: 5,350

Ha ha... I know there were those who had no problem with 8, as well as those (maybe majority) who did, but those who thought MS could do no wrong and were more qualified to decide whats best for the user than the user himself were a small distinct group as well. Egg on face for them.

OK, so its Windows Blue (8.1) to address all of 8's shortcomings I presume, and if due out this summer, the FT article makes perfect sense.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 11:03 | posts: 5,350

I think 8 will be viewed as notoriously as Windows ME over next few years. Difference is, Win ME did not have as bad reviews when it came out. So 8 could be viewed even worse than ME.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 11:18 | posts: 1,245 | Location: Sweden

Win8 was pretty awful.
Even one of my good friends who has a PhD in Computer Science absolutely hated the stuff and was tearing his hair out the other day over not being able to find laptops that did not have Windows 8.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 11:24 | posts: 6,554 | Location: Portland, Oregon

"faced difficulties adapting to the new software" - ain't nobody got time for that.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 11:41 | posts: 53 | Location: Japan

LOL finally Microsoft realized they can't expect good sales for whatever half-assed product they spit out? Maybe someday they will also understand that ugly plain Windows 3.11-like interface has to go too? That would be a miracle!
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 11:48 | posts: 5,789 | Location: Sandbox

Thanks to their feck up I've been able to reimagine my computing without Microsoft. Too bad I still need them for gaming on the PC.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 12:18 | posts: 1,106 | Location: Portugal

Im using w8 with start8, and its fine. I like it it, but w7 was better.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 12:51 | posts: 11,249 | Location: England

Once you add a third-party Start menu app to Windows 8 then it works fine, although I admit I seldom use the Modern UI/Start screen for anything other than the odd Windows Store game (and then that is rare). The Modern UI was an utterly pointless addition to Windows 8 in all honesty but I think if Microsoft had given people the choice of still using the Start menu then the reaction to it would have been more positive IMO.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 12:56 | posts: 9 | Location: Denmark

Funny thing is that while they gently admit they might have done wrong, its only a couple days ago that Bill himself said to the press

"We have to help frustrated iPad users to use win 8"
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 13:53 | posts: 182 | Location: Oslo

According to the following link. They will not be returning the win 8 start menu.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...for-developers



Frankly I can't see what the fuss is about. I dont use it and haven't bothered with any 3rd party software either. But I think the main issue is all the corporations not wanting to change over. It is the same in my company. Some of the executives didnt like it so decided that it wouldn't benefit the other 400 employees we have.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 16:43 | posts: 193 | Location: US

Just goes to show you with Windows, ALWAYS wait for the first service pack...err, whatever it's called now.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 18:12 | posts: 2,905 | Location: USA

....MS admitting of Failure?? I find this rather shocking. We see if they learned anything from this. Either way trying to make OS for Desktop and Tablet as one as was bad idea, the 2 devices are not the same.

I Would like my Star bar back seeing I use it every damn day constantly, And a complete and permanent way of disabling that metro ui, booting direct to desktop and never seeing that metro crap.

Maybe then I will give win 8 a try again

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Default 05-08-2013, 18:30 | posts: 5,815 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

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According to the following link. They will not be returning the win 8 start menu.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...for-developers



Frankly I can't see what the fuss is about. I dont use it and haven't bothered with any 3rd party software either. But I think the main issue is all the corporations not wanting to change over. It is the same in my company. Some of the executives didnt like it so decided that it wouldn't benefit the other 400 employees we have.
It hasn't even been said that they ever planned on bringing back the start menu, just the start button. Although even in Windows 8 the start button is still there they just moved it. But from the rumors they're planning on bringing it back to its traditional spot.
   
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Talking 05-08-2013, 18:42 | posts: 6,450 | Location: Puerto Rico

If Microsoft says so I will just laugh my as5 off at them
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 18:43 | posts: 1,529 | Location: Ipswich UK

wonder if upgrading to windows blue or 8.1 will be cheaper or hoping free for windows 8 users
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 18:56 | posts: 6,559

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....MS admitting of Failure?? I find this rather shocking. We see if they learned anything from this. Either way trying to make OS for Desktop and Tablet as one as was bad idea, the 2 devices are not the same.

I Would like my Star bar back seeing I use it every damn day constantly, And a complete and permanent way of disabling that metro ui, booting direct to desktop and never seeing that metro crap.

Maybe then I will give win 8 a try again
What part of the start menu that you use "every damn day constantly" is missing in Windows 8?
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 19:24 | posts: 272

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What part of the start menu that you use "every damn day constantly" is missing in Windows 8?
Easy. The subfolder structure. In Win 8 it's either the basic panel view, or you click "all apps" and get every damn entry in any previous program group sprawled out flat, making a perfect chaos. Make the prevoius subfolder a master tile on the main Metro screen, which when clicked expands a new metro tile screen containing *only* the tiles in that particular group, now that would make it usable.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 19:34 | posts: 722

Try using Win8 with a Redirected Start Menu, ahhh... you can't, as there's no Start Menu now so your existing Domain Users are stuffed if using Win8 as the nice ordered Start Menu structure is now strewn all over the Start Screen like an explosion in an App factory!!
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 19:51 | posts: 2,905 | Location: USA

If I have to use 3rd party program to fix something that didnt need fixing I not intrested. No do i care for this tablet/phone look. If i want that look for functionality I go use my tablet. Cause I dont care for or want to ever see that metro title crap

short of there being some miraculous turn around and MS learning from there mistakes I will be on win7 for about as long as I was on XP
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 20:13 | posts: 548 | Location: finland

Ordered a new laptop, the only choice is Win8. Prepared by downloading Start8 and Classic Shell - probably going to choose Start8 yet.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 20:29 | posts: 19,041 | Location: Toronto, Canada

While not a fan of Windows 8's tile interface for desktops, I have no qualms with it, I'm running it on 3 computers. Tbh, Windows 8 makes perfect sense for my HTPC due to Start Screen makes more sense as a 10-foot interface than the Start Menu ever did.

Other than that, the underlying improvements of Windows 8 was enough for me to upgrade. Like Vista, I have no qualms (once SP1 came out) unlike the amount of issues I have with Windows ME.

After Vista came out and me using other OSes constantly, I never bothered to actually use the Start Menu except it being a convenient search box, I just quickly type what I need and it'll just pop up. Windows 8 is perfect for it and so was 7. So I guess I was never irked by Windows 8 because of this since it's just a giant search box for me.

It could just be that I use multiple different OS that I've just grown to adapt quickly between different interfaces.

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Default 05-08-2013, 20:40 | posts: 6,559

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Easy. The subfolder structure. In Win 8 it's either the basic panel view, or you click "all apps" and get every damn entry in any previous program group sprawled out flat, making a perfect chaos. Make the prevoius subfolder a master tile on the main Metro screen, which when clicked expands a new metro tile screen containing *only* the tiles in that particular group, now that would make it usable.
What, you want them to keep an inferior search method around? I guess. I guess if that's how you have to do it; the significantly slower way.

Here:

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

Create a folder, point it there, pin it to your metro start menu. Now you have the same functionality with more screen real estate.

But in all honesty, you should learn to type out what you want. It's orders of magnitude faster.
   
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Default 05-08-2013, 20:43 | posts: 2,687 | Location: UK

To be honest with you, I have no problems with Windows 8. It took me an hour or so to understand how it worked. Most icons can be pinned to the start menu, which is the tile screen. Or to the desktop taskbar. You don't really need a start menu. You can just search for everything, which takes seconds.

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