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Question Asus GTX 690! Yay or nay? - 05-04-2013, 15:36 | posts: 1,325 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

My fellow Guru's I need some advice from fellow members because I have until tonight to decide on that 690.

I found locally an ASUS GTX 690 3 months old for 600euros!

Should I jump on it?? It seems like a good deal right?

Again US members take note that a 690 sells for around 850-900euros(1000-1200usd with conversion) here.

Only other options according to my needs/wants are the 780 which with the myriad of rumors and also the latest ones and speculations about the price, it seems that its price might not be that good and performance and I'm quoting here "a bit faster than the GTX 680 and GTX 670, but not a lot."

Thanks in advance.

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You would be better of waiting until the 700 series comes out. The 770 is supposed to be a 680 refresh with higher clocks and 4gb of vram standard and much cheaper than 680 4gb. I would get 2 770.

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Default 05-04-2013, 15:52 | posts: 5,716 | Location: Sunny Scotland

Whoever says a 780 is 'a bit' faster than 680 obviously hasn't tested said card, (or perhaps is just a diehard amd - boy, either way, wait for 700 series.
   
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Yay. Love mine.
   
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Whoever says a 780 is 'a bit' faster than 680 obviously hasn't tested said card, (or perhaps is just a diehard amd - boy, either way, wait for 700 series.
Mate check our Frontpage news..!!!

OK! I will provide my reasoning. Also take note this GTX 690 will be temporary until MAXWELL. So here's it is:

Option 1:

For 600euros I get a GTX 690. Well no one can say anything bad in my book about this card besides the "Limited" VRam and average clocks. Well, correct me if I'm wrong isn't this card faster than almost everything at stock? Even our precious Titan?

Wont even mention a 1202Mhz GTX 690. Also I game at 19x10 with sometimes downsampling from 2560x1440 so VRam is perfectly FINE for me because I WILL upgrade to MAXWELL in a year.

So I believe it would suffice for a year at least.

Option 2:

7970Ghz/680 lets average them at 400euros each since a 680 is more expensive. I get "HALF" the performance for 2/3 of the price. It doesn't sound good.

Option 3:

I was considering the 780 but lately the rumors hint for a higher price than expected and the performance will be at best as rumors stated at 20-30% of a 680.

So I will remind you my fellow Gurus that USD prices are almost like euro prices here. Like 1000usd card is a 1000 euros card.

So lets "assume" if the 780 is around 600-700usd and it will "about" 20-30% faster than a 680, I still get a lesser card for the same price as I can get the Asus 690.

I'm not close minded. I'm open to ALL suggestions and please do jump in and give me your reasoning. I will probably help me make my decision in one way or another.

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Whoever says a 780 is 'a bit' faster than 680 obviously hasn't tested said card, (or perhaps is just a diehard amd - boy, either way, wait for 700 series.

Well it will be a 'BIT' faster mate, probably about 10-15 fps in a good portion of hard to run games.

So yeah, even if they have not tested said card, ill put you money down now it will be a 'BIT' faster than a 680.

Or the alternative? it will be a fair bit faster, and as such, a lot more money.

Either way - same old same old.
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 16:32 | posts: 1,325 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

Come on everyone. Throw your opinion please. I didn't start this thread for debating or whichever is better or whatever. I just need some help with my decision.

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but lately the rumors hint for a higher price than expected and the performance will be at best as rumors stated at 20-30% of a 680.
This is what we were debating and I do think it is relevant to your topic however I would just grab the 690 for a good price,hoe it overclocks well and enjoy it mate.

That's my opinion.

I am pleased with my 680 sli mate, a 690 is the same thing, just slower.
   
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Come on everyone. Throw your opinion please. I didn't start this thread for debating or whichever is better or whatever. I just need some help with my decision.

Thanks in advance.
If you only plan to play on 1080p then it's a great card but the 2GB frame buffer is a letdown you will run out of VRAM before you run out of gpu power.


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This is what we were debating and I do think it is relevant to your topic however I would just grab the 690 for a good price,hoe it overclocks well and enjoy it mate.

That's my opinion.

I am pleased with my 680 sli mate, a 690 is the same thing, just slower.
Um no mate stock 680Sli and 690 are neck and neck and the 690 has harware frame metering instead of software based so micro stutter is reduced over the 680 sli.

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Yay, if 2GB of vram is enough.
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 17:49 | posts: 5,716 | Location: Sunny Scotland

It's a great card, perhaps it'll be nvidia's last value price/performance high end.
However that 2gb ain't future proof, look at the vram on the PS4 then look at nvidia's latest offerings and how much vram they sport, all this points to future games using mega amounts of the stuff.
When maxwell's released it'll still be a while before any decent versions are around, like the 880 Lightning, Classified etc.
I'm waiting on the 780 Lightning /Classified tbh. (x2 680 performance when OCed you wait and see, at least minimum framerate(all that matters)
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 17:51 | posts: 11,738 | Location: new jersey

the 690 is a killer card but just hold tight and wait a bit,dont think you can go wr0ng if you wait to see whats up in a few weeks.
   
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Um no mate stock 680Sli and 690 are neck and neck
wth 915mhz core I have never seen a 680 with clocks that low.

I honestly have not really looked into it, sorry I was under impression 690 had two lower clocked 680 chips but honestly no real idea.

That 690 sounds even more of a bargain then as that's 2x680 for 600 euro? hell.... I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 18:25 | posts: 1,325 | Location: Inside My Thoughts..

Well I see reasoning from most of you is about the same as mine. Yeap, I will go for it. My first Dual-GPU solution. Yay! I will overclock the **** out of it.

I don't know if many of you understood this but the 690 will be a TEMPORARY GPU until Maxewell.
   
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all cards are temporary else I would still be using my voodoo cards
   
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Well since you ask for help and opinions , and also you have until midnight today , If I was you I would definitely jump and buy that GTX690 ,why ? I have had and tested GTX Titan in SLI ( Not worth it unless playing at very high resolutions or multimonitors ) ,also GTX690 beats the crap out of the Titan in gaming , single Titan against GTX690 always GTX690 is faster I did test it this., HD7970 Lightning Crossfire ( Single card and crossfire 7970s gets beaten by GTX690 plus you don't feel much microstutter wish crossfire suffers massively ) and lastly GTX690 the winner. In my testing the best out of those video cards choices at this moment in time is the GTX690 as it is the fastest single gaming pcb card at the price range , and if you are like me and play at 1920/1080P resolution only , so I can tell you safely Vram is not and issue at all , I don't know why people keep saying 2048GB of vram is not enough for gaming at 1080P , to the contrary it is enough for 1080P gaming. well there you have it that's my opinion. Good Luck on your choice and enjoy it whatever you decide to get. GTX690 its a win win in my books for gaming.

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Just sold my POV 680, time to get to know my Classy.
   
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wth 915mhz core I have never seen a 680 with clocks that low.

I honestly have not really looked into it, sorry I was under impression 690 had two lower clocked 680 chips but honestly no real idea.

That 690 sounds even more of a bargain then as that's 2x680 for 600 euro? hell.... I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!
What I meant by that is they are within 2-3 frames of each other if you can tell the difference there than I have some swamp land to sell you. The 690 is a great price/performance card same power as 680sli, uses less power, and hardware frame metering (less micro stutter), only con is the VRAM and at 1080p you will have no issue.
   
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Just sold my POV 680, time to get to know my Classy.
Holy crap dude, my cards are at 1306 as well - that's weird lol
   
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Just sold my POV 680, time to get to know my Classy.
My original 670 could do 1333/7300 let's see how you do.
   
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hardware frame metering (less micro stutter)
Honestly this creeps me out pretty badly.

I never new anything about this, and as I love SKYRIM would have been a consideration, although, I don;t know if ANYTHING can help TESV.exe.


I am sensitive to ANY stutter specially playing on a 55inch screen, using a controller, at 60 FPS 60hz VSYNC ON, one stutter and I feel like I fell out my (very comfy) chair, BF3 runs like a madman on my 680 SLI and I am not on about frame rate, I am on about fluidity and frame latency consistency (bar the dodgy B2K maps)

So I would be interested to hear more about this 690 and it's special hardware stuff and why it has it and what EXACTLY it does.

Sounds interesting.
   
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Honestly this creeps me out pretty badly.

I never new anything about this, and as I love SKYRIM would have been a consideration, although, I don;t know if ANYTHING can help TESV.exe.


I am sensitive to ANY stutter specially playing on a 55inch screen, using a controller, at 60 FPS 60hz VSYNC ON, one stutter and I feel like I fell out my (very comfy) chair, BF3 runs like a madman on my 680 SLI and I am not on about frame rate, I am on about fluidity and frame consistency (bar the dodgy B2K maps)

So I would be interested to hear more about this 690 and it's special hardware stuff and why it has it and what EXACTLY it does.

Sounds interesting.
I mean no disrespect but Skyrim is crap it's not that good a game really (opinion) and it is so buggy that I just stopped even worrying about it and uninstalled it.
   
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Well since you ask for help and opinions......GTX690 its a win win in my books for gaming.
Thank you chispy. That was a pleasure to read and I agree.


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Just sold my POV 680, time to get to know my Classy.
I wish you two the best.


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What I meant by that is they are within 2-3 frames of each other if you can tell the difference there than I have some swamp land to sell you. The 690 is a great price/performance card same power as 680sli, uses less power, and hardware frame metering (less micro stutter), only con is the VRAM and at 1080p you will have no issue.
I agree totally about the things you said about the 690 and I wanna add that although 2GB is "sufficient" imho most of us we just over-exaggerate about the VRam. No flaming or anything. It's my personal opinion.

I had my Palit 680 JS for almost a year and never had any problems.
   
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I agree totally about the things you said about the 690 and I wanna add that although 2GB is "sufficient" imho most of us we just over-exaggerate about the VRam. No flaming or anything. It's my personal opinion.

I had my Palit 680 JS for almost a year and never had any problems.
Oh I agree the 2GB is over exaggerated, my main rig (which is down right now as I am going water) has two 670 FTW 2GB in it and I run a surround setup with three 1080p e-IPS monitors I have really no problems running any game as long as I use no AA (which I don't use anyways).
   
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Right lets get one thing straight, The 690 blows any other card released by Nvidia out of the water for performance, that is a fact. The 690 is also 1 year old and its still up at the top of the tree regarding Nvidia cards.

At 1200p the 690's Vram is more than enough unless your playing a heavily modded skyrim with lots and lots of HD mods then 2GB is ok. For the time being for atleast the next 2 years minimum i would say.

New consoles arnt out yet and even when they do come out the first batch of games are ALWAYS average with one killer game out of the whole lot being anygood which probably wont be released on PC due to exclusive rights to the console.

So it will be a while before any new cards are utilized properly as hardware is only as good as the games that use it otherwise its just an expensive PCB that its apparently powerful on paper.

As for 680's in SLI vs 690 well the 680's are faster give or take 70mhz roughly. Very good Overclocked 680's will go more on the oc of around 100mhz+, some even hit 1300mhz but these are few and far between especially in SLI configuration.

However the 690 runs cooler,runs on less power, takes up less physical space and isnt as loud as 2x680's, it also looks nice physically.

Its a nice trade off for around 70-100mhz on average.

Its also been reported that the 690 has less stutter than 2x680's in sli and its been proven here. I do not think there is any stutter on the 680's in sli tbh as ive owned loads of these over the years and hardly noticed any and if there was it was fixed with drivers and refreshed cards.
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...rce-gtx-690/8/

The Hardware based frame metering eliminates any microstutter, i have not seen any and many users on many forums report that the card runs smooth as butter with games.



With a bios mod like KGB all or most 690s should go over 1200mhz which is nice, its also very easy to do and you dont get none of this throttling crap that you get with other nvidia cards like Titan.

There are lots of 690s that go over 1200mhz without a bios mod and that is on air!

The 690's weak spot is the 2GB of Vram, if you look your games maxxed out while using ingame AA you will be fine at 1920*1200 or under. You can even go high using downsampling depending on what your monitor can handle.

As soon as you start adding AA through Nvidia inspector like MSAA+ SGSSAA this is where you take a massive Vram hit as Nvidia inspectors AA is much more demanding than ingame AA and it looks much better also.

Titan is a great card but i expected more for the price that it is and considering the 690 is 1 year old i expected the Titan to blow the 690 out of the water and it didnt.

Titan is a nice choice to go for but for less performance and a much higher price its a tough one to call.
   
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