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Default ALC898 no longer listed on Realtek website - 05-01-2013, 10:27 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

This is not about whether sound cards are better than onboard ALC898 or not, it's about whether ALC898 actually still exists!

I just noticed that the ALC898 codec is not listed on the Realtek website anymore. I tried searching for it using the site search form, and it came up with 'Sorry! There is no data found.'

So, is this by mistake, or has Realtek scrapped their highest end audio chip ALC898?
   
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Default 05-01-2013, 14:54 | posts: 16,174 | Location: Guru3D Audio Lab

They maybe bringing out a new chip...things develop.

IIRC, that chip is a bit dated...might be wrong but products become discontinued all the time.


BTW, get a soundcard.
   
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Default 05-02-2013, 22:06 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

The ALC898 is supposedly the most recent and highest performing CODEC, if anything ALC892 should have disappeared of the website. Even if it is an old model though, I would have thought it would at least still show on the website, like their AC97 codecs.

I would get a soundcard, but for me the sound quality is decent enough for movies and tv shows, and for gaming I use a set of USB headphones (obviously not the best arrangement but I can't play stuff too overly loud here as I'm sharing a house with other people).

With onboard sound it's as much to do with the motherboard as it is to do with the codec, I haven't experienced any issues with it. I must admit before connecting it to the speakers I have it through a surround sound receiver (with a cirrus logic processor), and use DTS Neo:6, so it would sound different than just a direct connection. Of course this suits tv shows and movies perfectly, but not gaming.
   
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Default 05-03-2013, 03:16 | posts: 143

You still get driver support, so whats the problem. If you want good sound, buy software or hardware I would suggest hardware though.
   
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Default 05-03-2013, 05:09 | posts: 11,377 | Location: England

The discussion for onboard v soundcards is here.
   
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Default 05-03-2013, 05:20 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

Yes, but it wasn't an onboard vs soundcard question or discussion

I would suspect that the latest ALC898, VIA etc solutions would significantly close the gap with sound quality vs PCI solutions, especially those that are a couple of years old (of course not good/high end cards though).
   
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Default 05-03-2013, 15:08 | posts: 5,433 | Location: Michigan,usa

Actually they still do not close the gap, A simple Xonar DG still produce better audio then realtek and VIA Onboard audio. Because motherboard makers still used cheap components for the audio section. I tried to use my VIA onboard, and I couldn't because it did not sound that good in compare to a sound card. The last time I used a realtek audio chip it was the same, it didn't sound that good either and I had to use a sound card then.

But the haswell socket 1150 motherboards on the other hand seems like it gonna change that, with them not using realtek or VIA any more, But Recon3D and This Purity Audio chip, while using better components for audio like nichlion caps and gold caps, While having a EMI cage on the audio chip or some other design to keep the nose out the audio, including having a op-amp socket like that gigabyte Amp-UP haswell motherboard. While having a headphone amp I/C on all motherboards. Took them long enough to do all of that. But Gigabyte did had the Sniper M1 Matx which did had it first minus the op-amp socket.

Still in the end sound cards will always have their place along with external dac/amps.

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Default 05-03-2013, 18:01 | posts: 10,988 | Location: Finland

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Yes, but it wasn't an onboard vs soundcard question or discussion

I would suspect that the latest ALC898, VIA etc solutions would significantly close the gap with sound quality vs PCI solutions, especially those that are a couple of years old (of course not good/high end cards though).
Even Audigy 2 ZS will annihilate them.
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 09:23 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

It doesn't have the new ALC1150 codec listed either, but considering the styling of the Realtek website they probably just haven't updated it apart from a few things.
   
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Default 05-04-2013, 23:09 | posts: 16,605 | Location: US East Coast

It's likely that Realtek has removed the chipset due to it being discontinued after nearly 3 years on the market and the fact that it's successor is being released soon.


   
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Default 05-05-2013, 02:34 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

I was thinking the same thing. Still keep the lower end models, and replace the current 'high end' (in terms of their offerings) model.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 16:52 | posts: 1

I am planning to buy new MOBO and currently deciding between Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD5H or ASUS Z87-PRO.

The Gigabyte looks better in many aspects: e.g. legacy PCI slot, dual network ports, dual HDMI connectors, SSD caching for HDD, gold plated CPU socket, etc.

However one thing that I noticed is that they are still using ALC898 codec, whereas Asus is already using ALC1150. That's really a pity, because if Gigabyte would have used ALC1150 as well, I wouldn't have to think at all, and would go for Gigabyte.

Is there really a big difference in ALC898 and ALC1150?
Can someone compare both, and indicate specific weaknesses in ALC898?
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 17:24 | posts: 7,811

If you want improved sound quality spring 20 bucks for a Xonar DG or 50 for a OEM Creative Z. Making a mobo purchase decision based on realtek chips is madness.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 18:44 | posts: 26,671 | Location: Hampshire, UK

Darkest is spot on. Even a DG will dominate onboard sound.
   
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there new 1xxx series is coming out so i guess it being replaced. I went from using a SB live card to Realtek onboard card never hear a difference between the onboard and the dedicated. But then I not audiophiliac all that matter is it plays the audio and I happy with it. Im still using 20+ year ACS48 speakers and 30$ headphones

People here need to let go of this tell people to buy soundcard if they dont want to, much like the whole telling people to OC when they dont want too.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 19:21 | posts: 26,671 | Location: Hampshire, UK

you came from sb live to Realtek, of course you won't hear much difference. Sb live is old. And you won't hear much difference if you use $30 headphones in most cases.

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Default 06-08-2013, 19:36 | posts: 3,509 | Location: USA

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you came from sb live to Realtek, of course you won't hear much difference. Sb live is old. And you won't hear much difference if you use $30 headphones in most cases.
this topic is not about onboard vs soundcard give it rest and learn to read what the OP said So why the hell was it even brought up, to many people here have one track minds and dont listen.
   
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there new 1xxx series is coming out so i guess it being replaced. I went from using a SB live card to Realtek onboard card never hear a difference between the onboard and the dedicated. But then I not audiophiliac all that matter is it plays the audio and I happy with it. Im still using 20+ year ACS48 speakers and 30$ headphones

People here need to let go of this tell people to buy soundcard if they dont want to, much like the whole telling people to OC when they dont want too.
This is the sound section of a hardware enthusiast website. Making a suggestion that will make a large improvement to their computing experience is absolutely something people should be doing. Especially when someone is quibbling over two motherboard choices due to the onboard audio, when a vast improvement can be had for the price of a meal out. Stop trying to white knight for no good reason, you're being pedantic.
   
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This is the sound section of a hardware enthusiast website. Making a suggestion that will make a large improvement to their computing experience is absolutely something people should be doing. Especially when someone is quibbling over two motherboard choices due to the onboard audio, when a vast improvement can be had for the price of a meal out. Stop trying to white knight for no good reason, you're being pedantic.
Im not the one of those people that CANT read this was not a onboard Vs soundcard topic you people made in to one. People here either cant read or choose to be idiots and ignore what OP say. Im also perfectly aware of this whole place is enthusiasts site. which all fine and dandy but people here need to learn to read or is that seriously that hard for people to do.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 19:52 | posts: 7,811

It doesn't matter what the topic was, someone posted in it with concerns about a motherboard purchase. I gave advice to him that you didn't like, when frankly it has nothing to do with you. You're simply throwing a tantrum for no reason.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 19:59 | posts: 3,321 | Location: Lebanon

Dude, the guy said he was choosing between two motherboards based on the Realtek chip each comes with. The post itself was not exactly on-topic with the OP. A suggestion was given to avoid making such a decision. What's so wrong with that?

So we should avoid throwing out such suggestions because we can only talk about why the 898 was removed from the website? That's been solved already. You need to learn to read.

$30 is not going to break anyone and the dude has the choice whether to spend $30 (!!) on a soundcard or not. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything.

You know what it feels like to us when someone is on Realtek? It feels like he's still on a single core Pentium 4, pushing a Titan.

Everybody can hear a difference. Some MASSIVE setups are being thrown here and onboard sound is still being used. Fantastic balanced systems, don't you think?

And of course you can't hear a difference, you'd never hear a difference with $30 headphones. And I'm sorry because you're missing out on a LOT.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 22:05 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

Well, if he did go for the Gigabyte, he would have to buy a PCI-E version of a sound card. No point getting it for legacy PCI over the better audio only to use that slot with a sound card! I guess it really depends on what you want to get out of the system. Supposedly the ALC1150 is superior to the ALC898, but it won't make up the difference to a dedicated sound card.

That said, if you did get dedicated card over the ALC1150 board you would have to get a 'decentish' one to make it worthwhile, so the cheapest I would get is the Xonar DSX (I wouldn't think the DG would be worth it). There haven't really been any reviews on the comparison between ALC1150 and a cheap soundcard (like the Xonas DG). People on here will claim the dedicated is always better, regardless of knowing what the ALC1150 sounds like.
   
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Default 06-08-2013, 22:27 | posts: 26,671 | Location: Hampshire, UK

Not true, even a DG will destroy any Realtek out there. I bought one not so long ago for 18, because my first DG died. Had to use onboard sound for a few days, it just sounded lifeless, dull and boring. I've since upgraded to a Z, but I know for a fact that even a DG will sound much better than onboard sound. If paired with half decent speakers/headphones of course.
   
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The Xonar DG has a decent little headphone AMP that simply isn't included with any onboard. For headphone use I'd actually recommend it above a DSX for that reason alone. You'd be surprised at how much of a difference it can make over the 898 - headphone amp aside. I don't think anyone at this point genuinely believes that Realtek is going to pump out anything decent. After all, the masses don't give a crap about audio and that's the market it's aimed at. I'd say that the problem isn't so much with people not knowing what the new Realtek sounds like, but rather with people who use low end audio claiming to know better than those with actual experience over a broad spectrum.

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Default 06-08-2013, 22:41 | posts: 4,043 | Location: Australia

I was referring to the ALC1150, not the ALC898 Supposedly it is much improved.

Also the person was asking about the ALC898 on the Gigabyte board vs ALC1150 on the Asus board. One of the things in favour of the Gigabyte board was the legacy PCI slot. No point getting that for the legacy PCI slot only to fill that slot with a PCI sound card!
   
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