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Default Razer Scammed with Thousands of 90% Off Coupons - 04-22-2013, 07:23 | posts: 19,564 | Location: Guru3D testlab

An interesting story, the internet is often renowned for its amazing bargains, but in the uncharted waters of cyberspace the best deals are usually too good to be true. A few days ago, a rogue coupon ...

Razer Scammed with Thousands of 90% Off Coupons
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 09:37 | posts: 1,824

wow
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 09:51 | posts: 495 | Location: UK

Just shows how much razer products actually cost to make. If the company can quite happily sell their products 90% cheaper than what they usually cost then make these products probably costs 1% of the original prices.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 10:54 | posts: 6,558 | Location: Portland, Oregon

They are really trying to respect the customer, but the customer does not respect them.
They could say that they are sold out and will be refunded?
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 12:21 | posts: 4,412 | Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Whoever created that code is now floating dead in some dark sewer.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 12:36 | posts: 24,355 | Location: Hampshire UK

oh man, I could've used that discount.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 15:43 | posts: 434 | Location: Upstate NY

I don't understand why this is a "scam". Everybody knows that excluding the cost of R&D margins are sky high for products like this, so it seems reasonable enough to me to believe that Razer would give out a 90% off coupon to drum up media attention or something. Just because you use a coupon doesn't make you a scammer.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 16:37 | posts: 2,855

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Just shows how much razer products actually cost to make. If the company can quite happily sell their products 90% cheaper than what they usually cost then make these products probably costs 1% of the original prices.
that's like most things with computer hardware ^ , but most would have cancelled the orders tbh
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 17:15 | posts: 9,781 | Location: Yorkshire [UK]

It's not a scam at all, a voucher code was used offering a discount, the site applied the discount, a scam implies that it was fraud or they were tricked, that was not the case at all.

And for the record I didn't order anything from this, but would have if I'd seen it.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 17:20 | posts: 1,028 | Location: Nottingham, MD

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It's not a scam at all, a voucher code was used offering a discount, the site applied the discount, a scam implies that it was fraud or they were tricked, that was not the case at all.

And for the record I didn't order anything from this, but would have if I'd seen it.
Agreed. Something being generated by "third party" to test? You test on a dev system, not production. Seems like their provider / devs screwed them, or it's a PR stunt.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 17:20 | posts: 24,355 | Location: Hampshire UK

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I don't understand why this is a "scam". Everybody knows that excluding the cost of R&D margins are sky high for products like this, so it seems reasonable enough to me to believe that Razer would give out a 90% off coupon to drum up media attention or something. Just because you use a coupon doesn't make you a scammer.
nobody said Razer got scammed by their customers.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 17:26 | posts: 15,597 | Location: US East Coast

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Just shows how much razer products actually cost to make. If the company can quite happily sell their products 90% cheaper than what they usually cost then make these products probably costs 1% of the original prices.
Razer claims to be taking a big loss due to the 90% coupon codes. If they were selling products with that large a profit margin, which is extremely unlikely, then people would have just cause to bitch and whine....and possibly lodge complaints against Razer....

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nobody said Razer got scammed by their customers.
Even Razer is calling it a mistake (not a scam)....and honoring the discounts for those who were sensible in their orders.



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Default 04-22-2013, 21:13 | posts: 6,559

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Razer claims to be taking a big loss due to the 90% coupon codes. If they were selling products with that large a profit margin, which is extremely unlikely, then people would have just cause to bitch and whine....and possibly lodge complaints against Razer....



Even Razer is calling it a mistake (not a scam)....and honoring the discounts for those who were sensible in their orders.
Lodge a complaint with who, Razer? Even if they had those margins, they don't, there's no one to complain to.

Poor Razer. Screws up, makes it right by taking a huge loss on a lot of product, still gets **** (not from the quoted post, but this thread and the internet in general).
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 22:07 | posts: 4,811 | Location: Scotland

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Agreed. Something being generated by "third party" to test? You test on a dev system, not production. Seems like their provider / devs screwed them, or it's a PR stunt.
or you test a 1% discount..... sounds to me like there is something quite purposeful about all this
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 23:07 | posts: 3,498 | Location: Australia

'Profit margin'? People are forgetting employer wages, business costs, taxes. Probably costs more to package and ship it to their distributors it as it does to make it! That said, buying directly from Razer should be cheaper than buying from a retailer, simply because the retailer has the extra costs of their business (from the retail shop back to the supplier), the suppliers (back to the importer), and the importation costs etc.

The 90 percent off would also be off the RRP (Recommended Retail Price), and you should never actually buy anything for RRP, let alone higher than RRP. The RRP is usually quite 'generous'. So something that has a RRP of $130 could be bought for $80 (based on the example of Logitech MK710 here, which has a RRP of $129.95 by Logitech but is sold in stores as low as $76).

Now, if Logitech offered 40 percent off through online, that is 40 percent off the $129.95. It would sell for around $78, then you have to include the shipping to you. Logitech make a crapload more money than they would have otherwise (due to you buying 'direct'). You could probably get it for 70 percent off (the RRP) and they would still be ahead.

I think 90 percent would be exceeding this principle though. It's much more effective to find a good percentage where it looks like a really good bargain but still returns you more money than if you sold it in retail, for instance 60 percent off. At that rate, they probably wouldn't care about fake vouchers, simply because they are gaining by each fake voucher and they would probably sell to people who would have otherwise bought another item.
   
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Default 04-22-2013, 23:23 | posts: 19,041 | Location: Toronto, Canada

... and this is why you don't leave debug code on production systems. Hell, they should have tested this on a test system unless the developer "accidentally" left the code after just copying it over to production without double checking their work. There goes that person's job.

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An interesting story, the internet is often renowned for its amazing bargains, but in the uncharted waters of cyberspace the best deals are usually too good to be true. A few days ago, a rogue coupon ...

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say what now? that is some dumb management going on there to even all the orders to go threw and not cancel them all
   
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Default 04-24-2013, 18:53 | posts: 3,700 | Location: Sweden

. . .

razor is still trying to ship the products at a complete loss and people are complaining? really?
   
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Default 04-24-2013, 19:57 | posts: 4,462 | Location: Washington DC

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say what now? that is some dumb management going on there to even all the orders to go threw and not cancel them all
How is this dumb management? Instead of upsetting the customer (which I'm sure a vast majority of them knew that this code was a mistake) they are honoring the coupons even though it's probably costing them a ton of money.
   
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How is this dumb management? Instead of upsetting the customer (which I'm sure a vast majority of them knew that this code was a mistake) they are honoring the coupons even though it's probably costing them a ton of money.
cause the lose of money no sane company would do that when they know its was never supposed to happen, sure it can be argued that it was there mistake. but name one one company that was dumb enough to sell the stuff at 90% off weather it was mistake or not.
   
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