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Default Intel Haswell to be easier to overclock - 04-16-2013, 07:50 | posts: 21,376 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Some leaked PDF files that hbave been shown on IDF make it clear thatÂ*Haswell will be easier to overclock. Intel said improvements have been made to the way you can overclock Haswell, making the proc...

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Default 04-16-2013, 18:27 | posts: 77 | Location: Belmont, Michigan

Wasn't the Haswell supposed to be soldered to the motherboard and with no socket?
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 18:54 | posts: 8,094 | Location: Urban`Jungle

nope.


On topic;

Im aiming for 5.2Ghz

125mhz x 42multi
   
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Wasn't the Haswell supposed to be soldered to the motherboard and with no socket?
Nope.
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 19:07 | posts: 5,864 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

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Wasn't the Haswell supposed to be soldered to the motherboard and with no socket?
Only low end parts were rumored to be BGA sockets, then Intel officially killed the rumor.
   
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Wasn't the Haswell supposed to be soldered to the motherboard and with no socket?
That was Broadwell not Haswell and AFAIK they are still doing it for low end parts.
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 20:09 | posts: 907 | Location: Greece/Australia

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nope.


On topic;

Im aiming for 5.2Ghz

125mhz x 42multi
I will wait for officiall benchmarks first to see how good they will overclock assuming they will be using fluxless solder this time and not that cheap thermal compound like ivy,to be honest i personally think they might have intentionally used that cheap thermal paste on ivy to limit it's oc potential so more consumers coming let's say from Sandy bridge will be more tempted to upgrade to the new platform and not seeing it as a side grade, just imagine an Ivy bridge running at 5ghz on air performing similarly with a Haswell at let's say 4.6ghz (just an example) that for me is more of a side grade then an upgrade,and limiting the mainstream cpu's to 4 cores with HT,i know that they have practically no competition from Amd apart from the integrated GPU
but i would like to see at least 6 core parts with HT,before upgrading again....
Just my thoughts.............
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 20:27 | posts: 9,188 | Location: Toledo

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I will wait for officiall benchmarks first to see how good they will overclock assuming they will be using fluxless solder this time and not that cheap thermal compound like ivy,to be honest i personally think they might have intentionally used that cheap thermal paste on ivy to limit it's oc potential so more consumers coming let's say from Sandy bridge will be more tempted to upgrade to the new platform and not seeing it as a side grade, just imagine an Ivy bridge running at 5ghz on air performing similarly with a Haswell at let's say 4.6ghz (just an example) that for me is more of a side grade then an upgrade,and limiting the mainstream cpu's to 4 cores with HT,i know that they have practically no competition from Amd apart from the integrated GPU
but i would like to see at least 6 core parts with HT,before upgrading again....
Just my thoughts.............
Nice conspiracy theory. The reason they used paste was because they didn't have a feasible way to use fluxless solder to bind the new smaller 22nm die with the heat spreader. It was a technical limitation at the time, and had nothing to do with cost savings.
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 20:35 | posts: 6,559

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I will wait for officiall benchmarks first to see how good they will overclock assuming they will be using fluxless solder this time and not that cheap thermal compound like ivy,to be honest i personally think they might have intentionally used that cheap thermal paste on ivy to limit it's oc potential so more consumers coming let's say from Sandy bridge will be more tempted to upgrade to the new platform and not seeing it as a side grade, just imagine an Ivy bridge running at 5ghz on air performing similarly with a Haswell at let's say 4.6ghz (just an example) that for me is more of a side grade then an upgrade,and limiting the mainstream cpu's to 4 cores with HT,i know that they have practically no competition from Amd apart from the integrated GPU
but i would like to see at least 6 core parts with HT,before upgrading again....
Just my thoughts.............
Bad temperatures are due to the contact between the IHS and die, not because of the TIM, but because of the black adhesive they used.
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 20:40 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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I will wait for officiall benchmarks first to see how good they will overclock assuming they will be using fluxless solder this time and not that cheap thermal compound like ivy,to be honest i personally think they might have intentionally used that cheap thermal paste on ivy to limit it's oc potential so more consumers coming let's say from Sandy bridge will be more tempted to upgrade to the new platform and not seeing it as a side grade, just imagine an Ivy bridge running at 5ghz on air performing similarly with a Haswell at let's say 4.6ghz (just an example) that for me is more of a side grade then an upgrade,and limiting the mainstream cpu's to 4 cores with HT,i know that they have practically no competition from Amd apart from the integrated GPU
but i would like to see at least 6 core parts with HT,before upgrading again....
Just my thoughts.............
Yes, because Intel sabotages all its parts for the 0.1% of people that overclock their CPU.

How did you ever figure out Intel's master plan?
   
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Isnt each generation easier to OC ?
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 21:02 | posts: 497

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Isnt each generation easier to OC ?
yeap both technically and as an unofficial marketing rule even subconsciously you tend to believe that.
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 22:36 | posts: 18,793 | Location: New Jersey, USA

how much easier can oc be than socket 1155? OC these chips is a huge snoozefest it so easy already, no real sense of accomplishment over previous intel chips
   
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Default 04-16-2013, 23:32 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

Good, good. Higher OCs will compensate a little bit for the lack of proper increases in frequency and clock for clock performance over the last FIVE YEARS. Welcome to the lack of competition.

Honestly it feels like 1 step above Nehalem, and those were released in 2008 weren't they? In fact I'm still using a Nehalem chip and I'm not the only one.
   
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more like 3 steps, SB and IB are steps 1 and 2
   
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Default 04-17-2013, 00:24 | posts: 907 | Location: Greece/Australia

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Yes, because Intel sabotages all its parts for the 0.1% of people that overclock their CPU.

How did you ever figure out Intel's master plan?
Jeez we are just discussing here
there's no need to be ironic by saying "How did I ever figure out Intel's master plan?" (sorry if i got this definition wrong as my English is not 100% perfect) I am sure you know that all cpu's go through various stress testing and quality control to ensure 100% stability at stock clocks and it is already a well known fact that Intel cheaped out with a bad choice of using tim instead of fluxless solder for Ivy bridge thus limiting it greatly from it's overclocking potential due to the heat .And i am not saying Intel sabotages all its parts for the 0.1% of people that overclock their CPU i was referring to Ivy bridge only.
Please let's just stay on topic about Haswell I really hope it turns out to be a great cpu with great overclocking headroom.
   
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more like 3 steps, SB and IB are steps 1 and 2
I said feels. And it indeed feels like 1 evolutionary step to me. The real world performance difference per step was not all that much.
   
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Default 04-17-2013, 01:33 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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Jeez we are just discussing here
there's no need to be ironic by saying "How did I ever figure out Intel's master plan?" (sorry if i got this definition wrong as my English is not 100% perfect) I am sure you know that all cpu's go through various stress testing and quality control to ensure 100% stability at stock clocks and it is already a well known fact that Intel cheaped out with a bad choice of using tim instead of fluxless solder for Ivy bridge thus limiting it greatly from it's overclocking potential due to the heat .And i am not saying Intel sabotages all its parts for the 0.1% of people that overclock their CPU i was referring to Ivy bridge only.
Please let's just stay on topic about Haswell I really hope it turns out to be a great cpu with great overclocking headroom.
It was sarcasm, don't take it personally.

Personally, I feel that we should be grateful to Intel for continuing to make an SKU that is O/C. Especially considering its market leading position.
   
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Default 04-17-2013, 01:49 | posts: 907 | Location: Greece/Australia

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It was sarcasm, don't take it personally.

Personally, I feel that we should be grateful to Intel for continuing to make an SKU that is O/C. Especially considering its market leading position.
Sorry about that and don,t worry i am not taking it personally

Yeh i feel the same about Intel with practically no competition for per core performance which matters the most I would love to see what oc this chip can achieve with high end air cooling 6ghz????
   
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I'd be happy if 5.5GHz (maybe 125x44?) is possible with standard cooling like high end air or those crappy self contained water coolers. I'd settle for 5.
   
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Eh i just sold my 3570k for a 3770k ..just for the 8mb of cache and the 8 hyperthreads, plus i got a good deal on selling my 3570k and got a good deal on using that money towards a new 3770k....i am completely fine at 4.4 and 4.6ghz which i can achieve on air cooling with my new 3770k chip...and like i mentioned..i really wanted the extra hyper threading and the added mb's to the cache for future gaming...wanted a cpu that will last me a while and now knowing that Haswell wont be introducing any new consumer based proc's with more than 4 cores besides their extreme line of cpu's..i am definitely not jumping up for joy for haswell because as it stands its not really a huge jump over i7 IB chips honestly...heck in terms of gaming including 1st and 2nd gen core chips and current 3rd gen ivy bridge chips...they will be more than enough to handle anything thrown at them with these next gen games coming out. I believe the i7 chips will really begin to benefit with the hyper threading though....that was the reason for me swapping out my 3570k for the 3770k...so im set and so is anyone else with a 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen icore chip when we are talking about gaming "UNLESS" you are currently in the market for a new build i suggest to wait for haswell as its just right around the corner but overall...i just think the hyper threading chips will see a benefit in the near future..it already does with the first next gen game to come out which i feel Crysis 3 truly is when you see that game running with all maxed out settings...its above and beyond any other game to date visually and i seen a 15 frame rate increase from my 3570k to my new 3770k chip...i am not sure if the more cache played the biggest role in the increase or the extra threading...but from what i've read around many various computer hardware forums...its the hyperhreading that Crysis 3 uses as an advantage for performance increases.

I didnt see any frame rate difference from 4.4ghz to 4.6ghz though..so im sticking with 4.4ghz with my 3770k for now.

I will be passing up on Haswell and will upgrade in 2-3 years later..heck anyone with a 1st gen i7 cpu are fine compared to what these new consoles will have under their hood so the next gen console to pc ports with current PC cpu's are fine and more than enough ....so anyone worried about their Intel icore chip...got nothing to worry about...keep in mind im just talking aboug being able to play next gen games..im not talking about having the best benchmark scores,etc...im personally not interested in that..i just want my rig to be able to play next gen games fine....i think most of in here are like-minded and as it still stands true today..the GPU still plays the bigger role in it all anyways...lol thats why i got ride of my 7870 and picked up a sapphire dual-x 7970 which is OC'd to 1150core/1600memory....it can go higher but i dont like having to push my voltage on the gpu past 1.3 volts which is what i gotta do to get 1200core

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PS i sorta had to crack up when i read the title "Intel Haswell to be easier to overclock" lol

Some nice thought-out PR there
   
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Easier? I didn't know it was hard to overclock.
   
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Good, good. Higher OCs will compensate a little bit for the lack of proper increases in frequency and clock for clock performance over the last FIVE YEARS. Welcome to the lack of competition.

Honestly it feels like 1 step above Nehalem, and those were released in 2008 weren't they? In fact I'm still using a Nehalem chip and I'm not the only one.
The market is really pointing in a different direction. It's smaller bumps in performance in constantly smaller form factors.
   
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Default 04-18-2013, 19:56 | posts: 907 | Location: Greece/Australia

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Good, good. Higher OCs will compensate a little bit for the lack of proper increases in frequency and clock for clock performance over the last FIVE YEARS. Welcome to the lack of competition.

Honestly it feels like 1 step above Nehalem, and those were released in 2008 weren't they? In fact I'm still using a Nehalem chip and I'm not the only one.
It's the lack of competition like you mentioned that is holding greater increases in cpu performance back.And your right about feeling like 1 step above Nehalem.
If only Amd's 8 core cpu's were on par or outperformed Intel's core i7 cpu's on per clock performance i am sure we would be seeing greater increases than 10 to 15% each generation.
   
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