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Default please review my upcoming build - 03-27-2013, 17:03 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

HI,
I am on a real budget here and have not had a pc in about two years.
So here it goes

cpu= http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...oxed_Processor

mobo= http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...MD_Motherboard

or
mobo= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157358

HDD= http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...0_-_Bare_Drive

mem= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231461

psu= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256064

gpu= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161428

wirless card= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833127460

monitor= http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...im_LED_Monitor


so what do you think?

any ways I can save a few bucks and still have good performance.

I already own a mid tower case and I will get a sound card down the road.

total was around 832 usd

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Default 03-27-2013, 17:12 | posts: 25,802 | Location: Hampshire UK

not bad, nicely balanced, the 600W psu is a bit of an overkill though. let me have a look and see if I can put something better together for that sort of money.

EDIT: I would go with a fx 8320 and a $120 990FX mobo instead of that cpu you picked. Not sure about rams, don't they need to be higher voltage? other than that nice.

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Default 03-27-2013, 17:13 | posts: 209 | Location: Greece

What is your budget and what's the purpose of the pc?
   
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Default 03-27-2013, 19:06 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

my tax return is only 900 usd and I want to have at least 100 or 140 left for myself after the build..

the pc is mainly for gaming and some dvd burning.

I found this cpu local http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...oxed_Processor

but I really rather stick with a 990fx chipset

why does ram need be higher voltages?
   
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Default 03-27-2013, 19:48 | posts: 209 | Location: Greece

If it is mainly for gaming I would look into intel CPUs, Z77 mobo, 1600mhz RAM and a 7950 GPU.

If you want to build a good gaming rig that you won't need to upgrade again next year then you should invest in it.

I upgraded my whole PC except PSU and monitor for 600 euros and playing at 1080p. I can play all games on ultra settings except Crysis 3 and Witcher 3 with Ubersampling, which has some spikes I don't like but playing flawlessly without it.
   
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Default 03-27-2013, 22:24 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

eclap the reason I went 600 watt with the psu is because this is a temp build.. I will eventually swap the mobo,cpu for intel when more money comnes around.

Creation there is no more money to be had in my budget to go intel build I configured one based on the 3570k and a decent but cheap mobo the asrock extreme 4 which was only 89 usd when bought with the cpu from microcenter but I am 150 over budget that way.

In either build I still have no mouse keyboard or speakers.

I am hoping in having those items gifted to me by a friend

so I can get by for now with an AMD build.

Eclap I am looking forward to seeing what u can come up with and thanks n advance
   
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Default 03-27-2013, 23:26 | posts: 25,802 | Location: Hampshire UK

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my tax return is only 900 usd and I want to have at least 100 or 140 left for myself after the build..

the pc is mainly for gaming and some dvd burning.

I found this cpu local http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...oxed_Processor

but I really rather stick with a 990fx chipset

why does ram need be higher voltages?
that 8320 would be great. you can find a 990fx chipset board for less than $150. I'm not actually sure about rams for AMD boards, but I thought you needed 1.5v rams for that chipset. I might be wrong, someone else will confirm that hopefully.
   
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Default 03-28-2013, 00:02 | posts: 2,907 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

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eclap the reason I went 600 watt with the psu is because this is a temp build.. I will eventually swap the mobo,cpu for intel when more money comnes around.

Creation there is no more money to be had in my budget to go intel build I configured one based on the 3570k and a decent but cheap mobo the asrock extreme 4 which was only 89 usd when bought with the cpu from microcenter but I am 150 over budget that way.

In either build I still have no mouse keyboard or speakers.

I am hoping in having those items gifted to me by a friend

so I can get by for now with an AMD build.

Eclap I am looking forward to seeing what u can come up with and thanks n advance
lol, "get by" with an AMD build? Once you get the 8320 up and running, you may feel very differently. Check the benches, the new AMD 8 series chips are right in the running with Intel, beating many of their offerings.

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EDIT. disregard this post, sorry
   
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I say try and push for the 8320 that is a very good CPU.
   
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lol, "get by" with an AMD build? Once you get the 8320 up and running, you may feel very differently. Check the benches, the new AMD 8 series chips are right in the running with Intel, beating many of their offerings.
the cpu is alright, but I most certainly would not upgrade to it over my 2 year old Sandy Bridge processor
   
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Default 03-28-2013, 00:57 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

8320 it is at 139 I cant pass it up

so the question remains do I go with the asrock extreme 3 or the extreme 9


I read somewhere that the power phase on the extreme 3 can not handle an oc on the core cpus as they over heat or some crap.

if the extreme 3 is fine I would rather go with that and save 30 bucks.

please let me know.


also does the 8320 come with a stock heatsink/fan?
   
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I had the extreme 3, it's nice, but don't expect to OC or run 125w or over cpus.

Stock 95w or OC'd dual cores maybe fine though. The voltage regulators overheat, they have a tiny heatsink and i believe are only a 3 phase setup.

The extreme 4 would be a much better choice than the extreme 3.

Depending on where your shopping you may find the Asrock 990FX Fatality for less than the extreme 9, should oc just as good and also has a fair amount of options.

Yes, boxed 8320 come with the amd heatpipe cooler. I like them too. My friend says it looks like an engine sitting on your processor.

Edit: As for the cores overheating on the extreme 3, it's an error in either the software or the bios, but your nothbridge temp is registered, not your cpu temp.

It threw me off for a minute as i pulled my hair out. I went to water cooling, as i planned to do so anyways and temps got worse. I was like WTF opened the case, water block was warm, but the heatsink on the voltage regulators was damn hot.

The extreme 4 has better regulators (more) and comes with an optional fan you can install on the (larger) heatsink for the power regulators.

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Default 03-28-2013, 22:35 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

ok I am having second thoughts on the motherboard


first of what is a revision 2 motherboard 990fx?

and should I go for this revision 2 ASUS vs the Asrock extreme 9?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131851
   
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The Asrock Extreme 9 does look like a great board (recent model too). On the Asrock website it says the Extreme 9 as 12+2 phase power, the Extreme 3 has 4+1. The Extreme 9 also has other features that should lead to better overclocking. It is the one I'd get!
   
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Default 03-28-2013, 23:35 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

ok im all over the place with this build so please forgive me but would there be any major drawbacks with going with a non 990fx mobo and using a 970 chipset and saving like 60 bucks?

I will still get the 8 core vishera cpu and a 7850 gpu but I only ever use a single gpu and never plan on using more than one.

also keep in mind I will be replacing this build with an intel z7 and an i5 3570k in august.

I am trying to save cash on this build as much as possible cause I also need a new cell phone and am looking to grab a galaxy s2 for 250 bucks lol.

so will I hit any major drawbacks with a 970 mobo?

also I have no plans on any major overclocking at this time.

thanks.

suggestions on low price 970 mobos but reliable are greatly appreciated.
   
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Default 03-28-2013, 23:50 | posts: 8,849 | Location: The Zone

Get the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3. Also, why build this computer if you're replacing it in only a few months?
   
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Default 03-29-2013, 00:21 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

lol im silly like that... I will build this cause I sorely miss gaming and my xbox 360 is just not cutting it for me.

plus I could use a pc for school work.

this is a hobby/passion for me as it is for many of us.

I just want something to get by for now.

I can reuse all my parts im getting and just switch my mobo and cpu at a later date.
   
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Default 03-29-2013, 00:23 | posts: 2,907 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

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ok im all over the place with this build so please forgive me but would there be any major drawbacks with going with a non 990fx mobo and using a 970 chipset and saving like 60 bucks?

I will still get the 8 core vishera cpu and a 7850 gpu but I only ever use a single gpu and never plan on using more than one.

also keep in mind I will be replacing this build with an intel z7 and an i5 3570k in august.

I am trying to save cash on this build as much as possible cause I also need a new cell phone and am looking to grab a galaxy s2 for 250 bucks lol.

so will I hit any major drawbacks with a 970 mobo?

also I have no plans on any major overclocking at this time.

thanks.

suggestions on low price 970 mobos but reliable are greatly appreciated.
Your logic in building an i5 3570k system after this one is seriously flawed. That will be a lateral move, once you build an AMD 8320 system. Honestly, look at the benches, you will be ditching one system for something that performs very similar. It doesn't make sense.
   
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Default 03-29-2013, 02:51 | posts: 4,418 | Location: New York

sorry guys I must seem like a total noob...just that I been out of the loop for quite some time now.

I have made a final decision after doing some research and taking your advice and decided to go with the 8 core vishera and the gigabyte 990fx ud3 mobo.

I also decided to up the ram to a higher speed for 4 dollars more.

I am blowing my whole tax return but oh well.

reason this is so important to get right is due to the fact that I was laid off so this is all the cash I have at all and luckily the fiancée is all for me building myself a pc.

if it is a lateral move to go to intel after I build this then perhaps in august I will just add a soundcard and some 2.1 speakers and get a nice new case...storm stryker white edition I am thinking.


I also decided on these for mouse and keyboard...tell me your opinions as I have to go cheap .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823334012

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...irtualParent=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103099

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826999074
   
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Default 03-29-2013, 03:50 | posts: 2,907 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL

All of that stuff looks pretty good, although I am not a fan of any rubber dome keyboard. I strongly prefer mechanical. Then again, those cost more and I know you're not looking to spend much in that realm! Might I also recommend the CM Storm Spawn over the Xornet, if you are a claw grip user. I have had a Spawn for over a year now and love it. I tried a Xornet and although they're similar, it had more of a "cheap" feel to it, no grip coating on the buttons and some parts rattled a bit. I just saw the Spawn is priced a bit high on Newegg, but you can find it on Amazon far cheaper - http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-Spawn...cm+storm+spawn I wrote the first review for the Spawn on there "Doppelganger". It gives you some detailed info about the mouse if you're interested. Also, the Cooler Master CPU cooler you are looking at is a highly rated one. You should be able to get a nice OC on your 8320 with that! I've seen people on these forums get their 8320 and 8350's crazy high on overclock... so it seems the skies the limit.

But yeah, on the switching from an 8320 system to an i5 system, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference. The i5 wins in some benches and the 8320 in others. The end user sitting at both of those systems wouldn't even detect a difference. It would be a huge waste of money to make that switch. Intel's Haswell may be another story, but that is yet to be seen.

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lol im silly like that... I will build this cause I sorely miss gaming and my xbox 360 is just not cutting it for me.

plus I could use a pc for school work.

this is a hobby/passion for me as it is for many of us.

I just want something to get by for now.

I can reuse all my parts im getting and just switch my mobo and cpu at a later date.
I really don't get this point because you're essentially blowing $300 (CPU+motherboard) if this is not a permanent build.

I would go with the FX-4100 and then upgrade to the FX-8320/8350 when you get more money. The 8350 trades blow with the Core i5 3570K and will be a much better build based on your situation.

It's either go this route, or don't bother with a build because you're just wasting your hard earned money. Either do it right, or don't do it at all.

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8320 it is at 139 I cant pass it up
Yes you can. It's a $50 difference to double the cores, the question is do you use 8 threaded programs? If the answer is no, there is no point in getting an 8320. The reason AMD CPUs fail to compete is because of their abysmal single threaded performance which in turn gives poor real world performance since a lot of things are still single and dual threaded. Games in fact are still often dual threaded.

Personally I wouldn't bother with a temporary rig unless you can sell the parts easily once you're done with them.
   
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ok neo and delta... can I play games good on 4100
   
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ok neo and delta... can I play games good on 4100
I wouldn't really recommend the 4100 as a long term solution, that would be a bridge gap solution. If you stick with AMD, the way to go is their 8 core. Otherwise just wait until you have enough cash to go Core i5 3570K if you believe that it will suit your usage pattern better.

However, with current games and older games, they're really single and dual threaded heavy.

This was a dilemma I had when deciding between a Core i5 3570K build and a FX-8150 build back in 2012. Ultimately, I sided with the 3570K due to its stronger single thread performance and it was well rounded at the time. AMD has improved the IPC count per core with Piledriver, but still not enough to fully compete with Intel when you compare an AMD quad core and an Intel quad core. AMD really shines in heavily threaded situations like heavily threaded gaming engines like CryEngine 3 and the Frostbite Engine. However, for games like Starcraft II, Intel trounces AMD since it's a very single/dual threaded game.

As much as I want to back AMD, the choice at the end of the day is the system builder. Build a rig that will last and that will suit your purposes well.

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