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Default Tweaks to speed up Re-boot time? - 03-17-2013, 20:20 | posts: 2,317 | Location: Memphis TN

Anyone know of some adjustments I could make to speed up my start and re-boot time? Currently that Samsung Pro Sata III 256Gb is the only hard drive I'm using. (plan to add another soon.)

Currently my re-boot time is about 16 second, but feel it could be faster. I have the SSD as first boot device, then network as second boot, ROM as 3rd.

I have gone to MS config and shut down things that I do not need starting upon boot. I keep my drive defragged. Is there any other tricks you know of that can get me a faster boot time?

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Seriously??If you are you have way too much time on your hands and a faster boot is only going to give you more.
   
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NEVER defrag an SSD.
   
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Reduce the number of things that load on start up.

Dont defrag your SSD unless you dont care about its life span.
Its serves almost no purpose, there isnt a seek head on an SSD.
   
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16 second reboot time? Is that including powering down, post, boot and ready at desktop\logon?

You could try disabling any un-used devices in the bios, might shave off a fraction of a second there.

Other than that, suggestions were already made above.
   
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This is surely a joke right?
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 16:20 | posts: 3,711 | Location: Australia

Here's something that may confuse people

For UEFI computers, Windows is installed in legacy mode. For 'better' start up, you need to install it in UEFI mode. You can tell if it's UEFI, your bios logo will come on when you start the computer, and stay there right until Windows comes up with the logon/start screen. That's right, the logo will be there even with those Windows circular balls going round and round. In my case, this is the standard Asrock logo, but on Asus and Gigabyte boards etc, it will be the Asus and Gigabyte logo's respectively.

To use UEFI mode, you have to initialise the SSD in GPT mode. You can not simply initialise it in Windows, reboot, and install Windows on it, as it will reset it back to MBR. For UEFI boot, you have to load the EFI shell from the bios, load the efiboot stuff from the Windows setup disk (that is what that EFI folder is for), which does a 'reboot', upon which you enter into the Windows setup. You then have to enter the command prompt by the shift-F10 method, make sure the SSD is GPT, (just to make sure), then you can install Windows on it. Confused? you should be, I didn't explain it well but you can look it up online. This method is required for the fastest possible boot.

This is for USB install, which is the fastest method of install if you have a fast USB 3.0 stick. DO NOT install Windows off a slow USB stick, or even one that you think is fast but really isn't (so many people thing their 4MB/s USB sticks are fast). There are many USB 3.0 sticks floating around that fast USB 2.0 sticks can give a run for their money, these won't do.

UEFI DVD install may or may not be available, that is why I haven't mentioned it.

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You defragged your SSD...

Well, I think we found the problem.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 23:37 | posts: 6,193 | Location: USA

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You defragged your SSD...

Well, I think we found the problem.
Defragging once will not cause problems on an ssd.

OP download perfect disk 12.5 and consolidate files
   
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NEVER defrag an SSD.
I've done it before, it's not a big deal. You waste a few writes, and it doesn't do anything for you, but it's hardly dangerous like your "NEVER" in caps would imply.
   
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Default 03-20-2013, 20:54 | posts: 2,148 | Location: canada

Perhaps dangerous wasn’t implied and it was to simply stress what you stated, “You waste a few writes, and it doesn't do anything for you”.

Unnecessary Wear & Tear on the drive for absolutely no benefit...
   
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Perhaps dangerous wasn’t implied and it was to simply stress what you stated, “You waste a few writes, and it doesn't do anything for you”.

Unnecessary Wear & Tear on the drive for absolutely no benefit...
I wouldn't say absolutely no benefit. There's still overhead from the file system when you have fragmentation. With access times as low as they are, it's basically irrelevant. It is however, still present.
   
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Ok so I started up my usb stick windows 8 installation in UEFI mode and installed windows 8 on my SSD I have 3 1TB hard drives in raid 0. I have a p8p67 EVO with EFI compatible option enabled but after the windows 8 installation I don't get the EFI option in general settings troubleshooting and advanced startup why is that. Just wondering if I installed it right
   
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I've done it before, it's not a big deal. You waste a few writes, and it doesn't do anything for you, but it's hardly dangerous like your "NEVER" in caps would imply.
It is a big deal.

First of all, it completely ruins the drives built in leveling. The controller also optimizes where it puts the different files, now they aren't where the controller put them.
   
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It is a big deal.

First of all, it completely ruins the drives built in leveling. The controller also optimizes where it puts the different files, now they aren't where the controller put them.
I hate to be blunt, but so what? You lower life expectancy by a trivial amount.
   
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It is a big deal.

First of all, it completely ruins the drives built in leveling. The controller also optimizes where it puts the different files, now they aren't where the controller put them.
do you even own an ssd? its not a big deal. lot of ssds can withstand a terabyte of writes per day for 5-10 years. i get better performance out of my raid vertex 4s by consolidating the files, meaning its puts ALL the files to the front of the drive(well not technically). controllers just put files to lessen writes to the nand.

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do you even own an ssd? its not a big deal. lot of ssds can withstand a terabyte of writes per day for 5-10 years. i get better performance out of my raid vertex 4s by consolidating the files, meaning its puts ALL the files to the front of the drive(well not technically). controllers just put files to lessen writes to the nand.
Got any benchmarks to prove to that? I seriously doubt it.

It absolutely does not matter where data is placed on an SSD. It takes the same amount of time to read data from any block.

Defragging AND Consolidating files on an SSD (especially current generation SSDs like your Vertex 4s) is completely pointless.


Is it a big deal to defrag an SSD? Not really, its true that most SSDs can handle tons of write cycles a day for years before they start to go bad. But the only thing you are doing by defragging or consolidating is wasting some of those write cycles and your own time.

And on topic: OP, what the holy hell do you care about reboot times for? F**king seriously?
   
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Default 03-26-2013, 00:40 | posts: 6,193 | Location: USA

No i dont have a benchmark comparison, nor do i care to prove it to you. Read/writes are more consistent though. the ssd's controller still has to access different nand channels. If all data is spread out across all the channels, itll take longer to access all of those sequentially than it does to access a couple. Since most highend ssds can take upto 1tb of writes each day for 5+ years i could give a sh1t about reducing my lifespan my consolidating every one and a while. You try it out yourself, much easier that way.
   
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Default 03-26-2013, 01:52 | posts: 6,446 | Location: Chilling

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No. Defragmentation is a process typically meant for traditional hard disks; defragging a SSD can cause excessive writes, thus lessening the lifespan of the drive. SSDs utilize a technique called "wear leveling" to prolong the lifespan of the drive and ensure smooth functionality.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/ssdzone...ng_system.html
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The short answer is this: you don't have to defrag your SSD.

To understand why, we need to look at the purpose of defragmenting. Defragging ensures that large files are stored in one continuous area of a hard disc driveso that it can be read in one go. Mechanical drives have a relatively long seek time of approximately 15ms, so every time a file is fragmented you lose 15ms finding the next one, And this really adds up when reading lots of different files split into lots of different fragments.

However, this isn't an issue with SSDs, because the seek time is about 0.1ms. You aren't really going to notice the benefit of defragged files--which means defragging has no performance advantages with an SSD.

An SSD moves data that's already happily on your disk to other places on your disk, often sticking it at a temporary position first. Thats's what gives defragmenting a disadvantage for SSD users You're writing data you already have, which uses up some of the NAND's limited rewrite capability, -- with no performance advantage to be gained from it.

So basically, don't defrag your drive because at best it won't do anything, at worst it does nothing for your performance and you will use up write cycles doing it. Having done it a few times ain't gonna cause you much trouble, but you don't this to be a scheduled, weekly type thing.

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-St...oss/ta-p/71051
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No. SSD devices, unlike traditional HDDs, see no performance benefit from traditional HDD defragmentation tools. Disable any automatic or scheduled defragmentation utilities for your Intel SSD. Using these tools simply adds unnecessary wear to the SSD.

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You should never defrag an SSD. Don't even think about it. The reason is that physical data placement on an SSD is handled solely by the SSD's firmware, and what it reports to Windows is NOT how the data is actually stored on the SSD.

This means that the physical data placement a defragger shows in it's fancy sector chart has nothing to do with reality. The data is NOT where Windows thinks it is, and Windows has no control over where the data is actually placed.

To even out usage on its internal memory chips SSD firmware intentionally splits data up across all of the SSD's memory chips, and it also moves data around on these chips when it isn't busy reading or writing (in an attempt to even out chip usage.)

Windows never sees any of this, so if you do a defrag Windows will simply cause a whole bunch of needless I/O to the SSD and this will do nothing except decrease the useful life of the SSD.
But hey, good to see that you know better than the manufacturers of these drives. Hell, Defrag programs like Defraggler even disable automatically defragging for SSD's (makes them invisible to selection).
   
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Default 03-26-2013, 02:16 | posts: 6,193 | Location: USA

Please, its obvious you know nothing on the subject and are looking for info out there. Like i said the only down is wearing down the nand, but like i said with 1tb of writes a day for 5 years, i dont care. http://www.raxco.com/ssd-optimization.aspx

im not going to bother trying to convince someone who only goes by what they read online. You can stick with your methods, ill stick with my findings by own results.

besides, all your links talk about defragmenting, you cant differentiate between consolidating and defrags? lol ok
   
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Please, its obvious you know nothing on the subject and are looking for info out there. Like i said the only down is wearing down the nand, but like i said with 1tb of writes a day for 5 years, i dont care. http://www.raxco.com/ssd-optimization.aspx

im not going to bother trying to convince someone who only goes by what they read online. You can stick with your methods, ill stick with my findings by own results.
So go ahead and post your results then like the previous guy mentioned.

Otherwise you are just giving out bad advice that can damage people's computers.

What's ironic is that you talk about "1TB of writes a dayfor 5 years", but neglect to mention that it only works with the god damn wear leveling which defragging ruins/bypasses.. MLC is only good for around 3,000 P/E cycles or less, TLC (such as the Samsung 840) is only good for 1,000 P/E cycles or less. So yes, you are significantly reducing the lifespan (and perhaps the performance thereby) by Defragging and bypassing the wear leveling.

Furthermore, as a logic exercise, I want you to explain to me how defragging an SSD can ever possibly boost it's performance. The whole point of defragging on an HDD were the seeks times (around 4-15ms), but on an SSD they are nearly inexistant (0.1ms), so how could it ever benefit the SSD then?

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So go ahead and post your results then like the previous guy mentioned.

Otherwise you are just giving out bad advice that can damage people's computers.

What's ironic is that you talk about "1TB of writes a dayfor 5 years", but neglect to mention that it only works with the god damn wear leveling which defragging ruins/bypasses.. MLC is only good for around 3,000 P/E cycles or less, TLC (such as the Samsung 840) is only good for 1,000 P/E cycles or less. So yes, you are significantly reducing the lifespan (and perhaps the performance thereby) by Defragging and bypassing the wear leveling.

Furthermore, as a logic exercise, I want you to explain to me how defragging an SSD can ever possibly boost it's performance. The whole point of defragging on an HDD were the seeks times (around 4-15ms), but on an SSD they are nearly inexistant (0.1ms), so how could it ever benefit the SSD then?
I already explained this before, there's a small overhead when files are fragmented on any type of drive because the file system has to do a bit of extra work.
   
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I already explained this before, there's a small overhead when files are fragmented on any type of drive because the file system has to do a bit of extra work.
And I would love to read the source of this information.
   
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So go ahead and post your results then like the previous guy mentioned.

Otherwise you are just giving out bad advice that can damage people's computers.

What's ironic is that you talk about "1TB of writes a dayfor 5 years", but neglect to mention that it only works with the god damn wear leveling which defragging ruins/bypasses.. MLC is only good for around 3,000 P/E cycles or less, TLC (such as the Samsung 840) is only good for 1,000 P/E cycles or less. So yes, you are significantly reducing the lifespan (and perhaps the performance thereby) by Defragging and bypassing the wear leveling.

Furthermore, as a logic exercise, I want you to explain to me how defragging an SSD can ever possibly boost it's performance. The whole point of defragging on an HDD were the seeks times (around 4-15ms), but on an SSD they are nearly inexistant (0.1ms), so how could it ever benefit the SSD then?
Dude there is no hope for you. GOOGLE consolidate vs defrag. They are not the same. According to your links, windows does NOT choose where files are going, so SSD Controller would still be wear leveling and putting files where it wants to. So which is it? What youre posting here and what youre saying is contradicting eachother.

Let me ask you this, is .06ms better than .1ms? Is that an improvement? Yes it is. Thats not where i said the better performance came from either. I said you get more consistent Read/Writes. Writes do get a small increase from CONSOLIDATING, not defragging. Defragmenting alone does absolutely nothing for SSDs.

Get back to me when youve done your research. BTW, testing stuff yourself is what gets you places in life, not googling for info and taking it as hard facts.
   
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You don't seem to understand, I'm not the one making outlandish claims, the burden of proof is on you. In other words, I have posted facts that come straight from the horse's mouth; I don't have to prove anything, you do.

Show me verifiable proof, or is it so hard to so?
   
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