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Default 7950 Vapor-X OC Boost vs. MSI 660 Ti Power Edition - 03-09-2013, 20:01 | posts: 16

which one is a better card?

i've read some reviews and benchmarks and i'm confused, some say the 660 ti pe is better and some say that the 7950 vapor-x oc boost is better.
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 20:13 | posts: 209 | Location: Greece

7950 is a better card in all aspects.
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 20:24 | posts: 1,824

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4041...ew-conclusion#

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By Koen Crijns, Wednesday 6 March 2013
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...consistent times for Nvidia, lots of variation for AMD.
So if you're looking for a graphics card in this price range, then the GTX 660 is the better choice.
660 beats the 7870ghz so there is no chance a 7950 is going to be better than a 660ti at least on frame latencies.

My vote goes to 660ti.

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Default 03-09-2013, 20:37 | posts: 16

there you go..2 different answers haha

there isn't one answer?
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 20:59 | posts: 1,824

Of course there is, yours.Pim pam pum ftw

If the 7950 has Bioshock and Crysis 3 for free i would pick that.
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 21:21 | posts: 2,906 | Location: Lebanon

How is that comparison valid? 660 > 7870 so 660Ti > 7950?

And what about frame latencies? That article with DX9 games? Solved.

I seriously don't understand.

7950 > 660Ti, at stock. OCed and it takes over the 680. OC the 660Ti and you can take over some onions.

That's in addition to more VRAM, higher memory bandwidth where it pulls even further, and the potential memory issue of the 660Ti running 4x512MB VRAM on 3x64-bit memory bus.

660Ti is a good card, but crippled hardware vs. high-end hardware. Need I say more?
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 21:52 | posts: 1,824

Look at Crysis 3, 660ti > 7950 anyday, now you can go eat your onios too. haha

Not everyone overclocks there cards, so stop with the bs.
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 22:02 | posts: 2,906 | Location: Lebanon

Please show me the other games where 660Ti > 7950.
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 22:03 | posts: 6,737

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Look at Crysis 3, 660ti > 7950 anyday, now you can go eat your onios too. haha

Not everyone overclocks there cards, so stop with the bs.
Advising people based upon a major selling point of hardware on a computer enthusiast website is bull****?
   
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Default 03-09-2013, 22:06 | posts: 2,906 | Location: Lebanon

660Ti vs. 7950 isn't a debate to be had anymore. Seriously, I've had enough of this.

If you prefer Nvidia cards over anything AMD offers, or want more AA modes (on a crippled memory bandwidth card, that is a FINE idea), and you are dreaming of PhysX day and night, then yes, go 660Ti. But if you're objectively comparing the two cards and have no grudge against either company, the 7950 is BETTER. Plain and simple.
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 01:35 | posts: 5,355

I studied this long and hard and read all the reviews before I chose my card. In the games that were important to me, the 660ti was mostly ahead (dont play Crysis 1 and metro 2033 anymore). Also dont game at 2560x1600 where the 7950s edge is most apparent, but at 1920x1080 and am perfectly content with modest levels of AA, so the 660ti suited me nicely. I knew that the 7950 had more headroom and when OC'd would be faster, but not enough to sway me. In the end it was simply a preference for Nvidia. That said, I would probably recommend the 7950 for most other people as it has does have the higher bang for the buck value.
   
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I personally would take the 660ti over the 7950, regardless that its slightly faster.
   
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me too
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 02:34 | posts: 1,824

I bet now the OP is messed up in his thoughts. haha

Gratitude(too much Spartacus ) for your replys cuz i thought i was going nuts all alone against those fellows. lol

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as long as its at 1080 thats the card I would go with given the choice of the two. Higher framerates does not always correspond with a better experience
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 03:32 | posts: 961 | Location: JerZe

That's easy 7950 overclock 7950 and it can be as fast as a stock 7970 which is faster than 660 ti, getting 660 ti over 7950 is a bad choice and is this coming from a hardcore NVidia fanboy lol
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 04:04 | posts: 16

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I bet now the OP is messed up in his thoughts. haha

Gratitude(too much Spartacus ) for your replys cuz i thought i was going nuts all alone against those fellows. lol
yeah i am haha

i really don't know which one is a better card
   
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yeah i am haha

i really don't know which one is a better card
Are you playing at more than 1920*1080 res.?What kinda of games do you play or intend to?Are you going to overclock or do you know how to?

Anyway, if you can find a 7950 with free Crysis 3 and Bioshock, that would be my choice because it's an outstanding bundle.If not and if you play at max 1080p go with Nvidia because i believe this folks have better drivers/latencies and Cuda and Physx.

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Are you playing at more than 1920*1080 res.?What kinda of games do you play or intend to?Are you going to overclock or do you know how to?

Anyway, if you can find a 7950 with free Crysis 3 and Bioshock, that would be my choice because it's an outstanding bundle.If not and if you play at max 1080p go with Nvidia because my brain says you will have a better gaming experience.
no..my max resolution is 1920x1080.

the kind of games that i play is far cry 3 , crysis 2,3 , assassins creed 3 , battlefield 3 , need for speed most wanted 2012 , watch dogs (its not released yet).

and no..im not going to overclock anything and i don't know how
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 04:43 | posts: 1,824

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no..my max resolution is 1920x1080.

the kind of games that i play is far cry 3 , crysis 2,3 , assassins creed 3 , battlefield 3 , need for speed most wanted 2012 , watch dogs (its not released yet).

and no..im not going to overclock anything and i don't know how
Easy math then, check this out:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,6.html - FC3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,7.html - Crysis 3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,16.html - BF3 - AMD Wins

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4041...sins-creed-iii - AC3 - Nvidia Wins

And that's it, i don't think there is a benchmark for NFS, and Watch Dog wasn't released yet so, go with Nvidia.

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Default 03-10-2013, 05:09 | posts: 16

Im spending my money on this and i dont want to be disappointed with the performance...the 660 ti PE can run everything on 1920x1080?
   
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Default 03-10-2013, 11:18 | posts: 2,906 | Location: Lebanon

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Easy math then, check this out:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,6.html - FC3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,7.html - Crysis 3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,16.html - BF3 - AMD Wins

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4041...sins-creed-iii - AC3 - Nvidia Wins

And that's it, i don't think there is a benchmark for NFS, and Watch Dog wasn't released yet so, go with Nvidia.
Ummm I'm sure the OP was refering the TYPE of games he likes to play. I'd think those are not the only games he plays except if he likes to replay his games for the coming generations.

Neat cherry picking you got there, dude. Those 2-4FPS really make a difference in THOSE games. MEANWHILE:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/647?vs=645

ALL at 1080p:

Crysis Warhead: AVG FPS: 24 vs. 32.2 - a difference of 34.17%
Crysis Warhead: MIN FPS: 16.2 vs 24.9 - a difference of 53.70% - clearly the 660Ti is flying here

Metro 2033: AAA, not 4xMSAA, 47.5 vs. 53.5 - a difference of 12.63% not even with MSAA, again.

Dirt 3: 109.3 vs 116.4 - a difference of 6.50%, and with new drivers AMD cards have a further lead. Previously, the 7970 lost to the 680 in that game. Not anymore.

Total War: Shogun 2: 112.9 vs. 103.9 - a difference of 8.66% to the 660Ti. AMD hasn't been doing so well with this title since the start, as well.

Batman Arkham City: 79 vs. 86 - a difference of 8.86%.

The rest, mostly DX9 games, the 660Ti might be slightly faster, as Nvidia is good at that. 120FPS vs. 130FPS, I'm sure those extra 10FPS will matter on your 240Hz laser monitor. Especially that DX9 is the fashion these days.

That's disregarding the idea that these benches seem to be done on older drivers as the 660Ti beats the 7950 Boost in BF3 here, which simply isn't true, even at 1080p.

I also will try not to focus on compute performance, as that might be bs to you. No gamer uses compute in games, are you serious...

But in SmallLux, 6200 vs. 22000, a difference of 254.84%. Ouch. Clearly compute based AA is bs, as in Sniper Elite V2. Or using your graphics card for any non-gaming load is out of the question. But I'll leave that to the OP.

Power consumption? Ummm stress the two cards with OCCT and you get a difference of 19W on the 7950. That's a 6.55% difference, a difference less than that in the above games, which frankly aren't the most demanding.

It's only a matter of time till Crysis 3 regains its performance lead on the 79xx cards. GCN is still a new architecture, and AMD are still unlocking some potential here and there, it seems (most has been unlocked already, so I wouldn't dwell much on this point).

I'm going to call bs every single time some dude says the 660Ti is faster than the 7950, even at stock.

You want to discuss drivers, features, power consumption? Fine, just DON'T discuss performance.

@OP: Overclocking is terribly easy. And safe if you don't feed the thing 24V. I'm not sure you'd want to miss a 25 (modest) - 30-40% increase in performance if you pick the 7950.

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No brainer AMD 7950 is the way to go.
   
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As Tj said.. no brainer. 7950 no question.
   
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No brainer AMD 7950 is the way to go.
+1, way more performance per $. I have been playing crysis 3 on decent settings (do half the settings even do anything graphically other then give you more fps?) at 2560x1440 and i get 60-90fps mostly but max ~120 and min ~40 (in cut scenes so meh). The 3gb vram sure is coming in handy.

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Easy math then, check this out:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,6.html - FC3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...nchmark,7.html - Crysis 3 - Nvidia Wins

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,16.html - BF3 - AMD Wins

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4041...sins-creed-iii - AC3 - Nvidia Wins

And that's it, i don't think there is a benchmark for NFS, and Watch Dog wasn't released yet so, go with Nvidia.
The review says 22FPS at 2560x1600 for the 7950..? Lol? Farcry 3 also sits at 60+ for me with one thing down, i can't remember what it is but i think reviews should show another chart with games at close to max settings since sometimes you get double the performance for close to no loss of image quality and that is how most people will run the game.
   
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