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Default Lucid Virtu MVP - 02-10-2013, 21:16 | posts: 6,449 | Location: Chilling

Couldn't figure on anywhere else to put this thread.

Anyways, there is a new beta spotted up on Asrocks servers:
Lucid Virtu MVP ver:2.1.223
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Pro4/?cat=Beta
   
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Default 02-11-2013, 01:17 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

Does this version actually work?


   
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Default 02-11-2013, 01:54 | posts: 1,550 | Location: Oz, across from the Wizard

Is this full software or does it require some hardware as well. Does look nice if it all works fine.

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Default 02-11-2013, 02:41 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

The motherboard has to be licensed to use it. Only boards I know of supporting it are some select Z68 boards and the Z77 motherboards. Don't believe any AMD boards are.


   
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Default 02-11-2013, 08:11 | posts: 6,449 | Location: Chilling

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Does this version actually work?
No idea, haven't installed it in a while.

Though users are reporting positive results with their "Virtu MVP 2.0", so hopefully this is based on the same fixes and version underneath.
   
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Default 02-14-2013, 14:27 | posts: 2,173 | Location: Argentina

Nice.
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Default 03-06-2013, 16:58 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

New Lucid MVP (MVP 2) on Lucid Servers:
http://lucidlogix.com/driverdownloads-mvp2.shtml

Version 3.0.105

Completely new interface. I don't just mean a few little changes, it's completely revamped (probably a little 'toyish' to be honest).

Full catalyst 13.1 --> and Nvidia 314.x --> support, what does this mean for OEM users stuck on 2.x?

Retail only, so you have to pay for it after 30 days. It still works on OEM boards, but only for 30 days. In other words, OEM users are currently jibbed and stuck on the old 2.x series.

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Default 03-06-2013, 17:05 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

I tried to download the Virtu MVP 2.0 driver a couple weeks ago and it said my system wasn't supported.... So, how exactly do you get it? Does the user have to pay for it or is it licensed on newer boards?


   
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Default 03-06-2013, 17:22 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

It works on my Extreme6, but only activated for 30 days. You downloaded the initial release 3.0.104 which didn't support some newer display drivers etc. The 3.0.105 only came out 03 March.

This 3.x series is nothing more than an updated 2.x series that Lucid wants you to pay for. Since you actually need a board capable of 2.x series to run 3.x series! It may also mean that the 2.x series will see fewer updates in the future. The 'pro' version is the equivalent to what we can get with OEM.

So, unfortunately it looks like if you want to continue using MVP to its proper extent (and not just a maintenance release which is all we can expect from 2.x series now on, if at all) you have to pay $59.99 even if your board has paid for the licencing. It may also mean that for Haswell boards (although probably too late to change this), more likely Broadwell boards, they might not even bother with Lucid MVP.

FACT: All Lucid MVP is, is in effect a 'driver' for their hardware. You don't pay Nvidia, AMD, Intel etc for new drivers, even when they add new features or support for new games etc, and yet Lucid expects us to pay basically $60 to update to (analogous) Catalyst 13.2 from 12.11 or to Nvidia 314.x from 29x.xx etc.
   
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Default 03-06-2013, 19:35 | posts: 476 | Location: stockport,uk

Plus it is a yearly purchase.
   
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Default 03-06-2013, 20:28 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

Yeah, bit of a rip-off really, it can only lead to it's demise if they don't update the 2.x series for OEM.

That said, since you actually have the have 2.x OEM Lucid MVP to use version 3.x (and pay for it), I doubt there will be any substantial updates for the OEM versions.
   
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Default 03-07-2013, 02:15 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

In other words....LucidLogix is working on making themselves irrelevant.....again....


   
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Default 03-07-2013, 06:14 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

Seems like it! Also the 'benefit' given by Lucid MVP isn't universal, it only works for specific applications, although others may work if added to the list. Of course, some have found that it doesn't work properly even if the application is on the list!

If you keep a computer system for 2 years before upgrading, using the new licencing system where you get 'pro' (because you probably wouldn't get the standard and definitely not the basic), it's $120 on the offchance than some of your games may benefit from a performance increase. This $110 is on top of the money you have already paid to have the chip on the motherboard and the OEM licencing fees (which are a lot less, but across a significant number more boards so Lucid aren't losing out there). It would be much more beneficial to put that $110 towards a better graphics card and better RAM etc.

Also you have to realise that you can then sell the better RAM, video card etc later on, and get more than what you would with the lesser card, RAM you would have had if you spent the $110 on Lucid, so in fact the difference is more than $110.

I'm not complaining about the actual principle, just the licencing implementation.
   
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Default 03-07-2013, 07:39 | posts: 6,449 | Location: Chilling

Actually, version "2.0" is exactly the same as the Virtu MVP we've been using for a while. Only, it targets users who's OEM's didn't license Virtu MVP from the start.

Bit of a poor naming decision on their part in my opinion.

Anyways, the new update is out of beta:
http://www.lucidlogix.com/driverdownloads-mvp.shtml
   
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New Version 2.1.224 Out
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Default New Version 2.1.224 Out - 03-15-2013, 09:32 | posts: 1,923 | Location: U.K

2.1.224
Support AMD Display driver 13.1
Support NVIDIA Display driver 314.07


Gonna check it out. Love the Virtual Vsync this program offers.

I had many dx out of memory errors in BF3 with version 2.1.223 (and general game crashes) with my GTX 680, due to the program doubling the amount of vram usage - it would just sit at 2gb all the time and eventually crash after long periods of play.

However using my new 7970 it seems more stable, although at 1080p and virtual vsync on its using 2.8-2.9gb vram !!!

**Update**
2.1.224 seems to have fixed the memory leak/ high vram usage, with virtual vsync on vram is just sat at the same amount as if it were off.
No crashes after about 3 hrs of BF3.

ingame vsync on, virtual vsync on = no tearing, high fps & smooth lag free mouse

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Wrong GPU configuration
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Default Wrong GPU configuration - 03-28-2013, 16:07 | posts: 1 | Location: Indonesia

hello everyone, i had some trouble with virtu mvp latest version 2.1.223 and 2.1.224, i cannot finished installation " wrong GPU configuration" any idea whats going on? the latest version working fine is 2.1.221

my spec:
intel i5 3570k with hd 4000 ( 9.17.10.2932 )
msi hd 7770 power edition ( 13.1 )
asrock H77 pro4/MVP bios 1.5

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Default 03-28-2013, 16:54 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

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Actually, version "2.0" is exactly the same as the Virtu MVP we've been using for a while. Only, it targets users who's OEM's didn't license Virtu MVP from the start.

Bit of a poor naming decision on their part in my opinion.
Really? I don't doubt you, but it really is bad naming! Why differentiate it with a new version series (3.x), call it '2nd generation' (OEM is 1st), and give it a new UI?

Also, wouldn't having separate versions create more work? Why not just include the retail version in the normal version, which is automatically licenced on computers that are OEM supported (like 2.x series now) and require registration/activation on non-OEM supported computers. That would make a lot more sense!

You could still have your different tiers in licencing, the version activated depends on the activation licence. You could even set (when in trial mode) the different licence tiers under settings so you can check it out.

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Default 03-29-2013, 01:20 | posts: 6,449 | Location: Chilling

From what I read, that's the way it works.

The Lucid headquarters is a short drive from me, maybe one of these days I'll stop by and ask what the hell is going on over there.
   
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Default 03-30-2013, 15:18 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

Lucid needs to increase their game support. If they expect to get sales of their software...they need to support more games. Until they get serious about supporting games, their licensing prices are nothing but a bad joke.


   
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Default 03-30-2013, 16:05 | posts: 3,511 | Location: Australia

I reckon there is still some different between the consumer and OEM licenced versions, not sure what it is though! Maybe, just maybe, version 3 is retail only for now, but will become both in a few months time, who knows.
   
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Default 03-30-2013, 17:41 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

Would make sense for both "versions" to be merged over time as the development costs for 2 separate branches will exceed the potential profits if they don't start supporting more games. People aren't going to spend the kind of money LucidLogix wants for their software...when support for games is so pathetic. I only really play 2 games....and the drawbacks greatly outweigh the benefits in either game...


   
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Default 03-30-2013, 20:07 | posts: 1,923 | Location: U.K

Yeah I agree.

Also the yearly licensing will put many off. Having to buy it every year !!

Im pretty sure though that the only difference between MVP and MVP 2.0 is the gui.
Afaik the 2.0 retail version is one build ahead of oem one, the release notes of the current oem version match the previous 2.0 version.
I suspect they update the oem version 2nd, as want to give those who have paid directly for it some advantage.

Like Sykosis I only play a few games, well one 99% of time actually BF3 MP.
Luckily the Virtual Vsync works wonderfully well in it, but it has taken a yr to get to a stable version.... which says something

Would I pay directly for this software ? No chance, so guess when I leave z77 I'll say goodbye
   
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Default 03-30-2013, 22:20 | posts: 15,603 | Location: US East Coast

I play WoW and Torchlight 2.... LucidLogix had no issue getting support out for Diablo3....but there's still none for Torchlight 2 after 6 months.... I realize they have limited resources....but if they want to be any more than a failed niche company, they need to support more than just select AAA titles....


   
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Default 03-31-2013, 08:41 | posts: 5,297 | Location: Michigan,usa

Lucid Works perfect for me in windows 7 boot, and I tried TL2, Saints Row 3 even Metro 2033, Which all worked. Where if I use it in windows 8, none of the games works. In up crashing instead. I figure it must be something to do with how windows 8 handles graphics cards from different chipset or something. Tho a Friend of mine has couple of games that doesn't work in windows 8 with lucid,But others work for him. The odd thing is, when he used windows 7 none of the games worked for him.Which doesn't make sense.

The main reason why I use lucid my self is for the VVS since I use Vsync, I don't play without vsync as the tearing with it off is very noticeable to me. It get annoying to see. I know some people see tearing with VVS on still, But I don't.

I just wish it works in windows 8, like it does for me in windows 7.

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