Windows 8 #2 - Page 3

Legendary_Agent · 02-05-2013, 23:14 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by sykozis

Facts seem to scare people like you....so I fully expect to continue seeing the trolls post the same old bull....

Oh yeah people like me are scared by facts

sykozis · 02-05-2013, 23:24 | posts: 13,630 | Location: US East Coast

Your post, attempting to rationalize people's reaction to the fact that they're not forced to upgrade, proves my point. You try to rationalize, an irrational reaction to an unwanted fact..... If you weren't scared of facts, you wouldn't have bothered trying to make excuses to justify people's irrational reaction.

KissSh0t · 02-05-2013, 23:27 | posts: 1,038 | Location: Deep Dark Dungeon

Please stop now, just keep it about Windows 8.. we do not need to re-visit the same line of argument that happened in the previous Windows 8 thread.

Windows 8 is different to Windows 7, yes we know... A few of us are using it as our main OS.

I'm interesting in what UZ7 posted about Samsung Magician.. what would be considered an Optimized SSD?

Legendary_Agent · 02-05-2013, 23:38 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by KissSh0t

Please stop now, just keep it about Windows 8.. we do not need to re-visit the same line of argument that happened in the previous Windows 8 thread.

Windows 8 is different to Windows 7, yes we know... A few of us are using it as our main OS.

I'm interesting in what UZ7 posted about Samsung Magician.. what would be considered an Optimized SSD?

Perhaps, the "Optimized" or Unoptimized SSD tag is associated with the number of times that your SSD has been "TRIMMED", from what i could gather since i dont actually own a SSD, windows uses a trim command that will remove free spaces between data, a bit similar to when you defrag your hdd and the free space is moved away from between actual data so your seeking time is theorically quicker as it doesnt have to scan data that is randomly scattered around the hdd plate, perhaps if you run the trim command for the ssd it will then show as optimized once it is complete.

UZ7 · *Last edited by UZ7; 02-06-2013 at 00:18.*

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Originally Posted by KissSh0t

Please stop now, just keep it about Windows 8.. we do not need to re-visit the same line of argument that happened in the previous Windows 8 thread.

Windows 8 is different to Windows 7, yes we know... A few of us are using it as our main OS.

I'm interesting in what UZ7 posted about Samsung Magician.. what would be considered an Optimized SSD?

Pretty much the program had presets and if you didn't have it within their range it would consider it as "unoptimized" I already tweaked my Windows 8 (didn't really need much changes anyway) and when I clicked on Maximum performance it switched my Hibernation mode and Virtual Memory (page files). Originally I had it set to 0 and it switched it back to let Windows decide so there really isnt any tweaking done there.

On the other hand Capacity and Reliability does switch more options on/off depending on which one stuff you want. Pretty much all of these tweaks can be done manually and most people go by Sean's guide over at ocn, but this one has presets for those who don't want to go through the hassle or just want to set it and go

ElementalDragon · 02-06-2013, 01:05 | posts: 8,264 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

"Forcing to upgrade" is funny. Even though nothing about it is "forcing" people to upgrade to Windows 8, it's ridiculous to spout it as if MS is the only company with a product that has ever added new features at the price of requiring an upgrade. Hell.... for 3+ months, they were offering the upgrade for $40 for Windows 8 Pro.... PLUS Windows Media Center for free.

Car manufacturers do it.
computer hardware manufacturers do it.
Hell... Apple is KNOWN for it.

Of all of them, Windows 8 has been the CHEAPEST upgrade cost. But nothing about it is "forced". Next we'll probably hear that a game developing company is forcing people to buy a new video card because their GTX 470 can't handle their game, and at the same time MS is forcing them to buy Windows 8, cause that game manufacturer is creating the game entirely with DX11.1 in mind.

Ghosty · 02-06-2013, 06:07 | posts: 1,446 | Location: UK

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Originally Posted by Legendary_Agent

What problems with CCC have you found on windows 7 that dissapeared in windows 8?
As for gpu usage, afaik gpu is used in win8 aswell, i dont see how that is a downside, if you dont want your idling gpu to be used then either disable aero transparency or switch to classic mode.

@ElementalDragon, im glad you posted the post#31 so people can realise how hypocritical your interaction has been in this thread, they wont even have to check the older one.

The control panel used to go black (crashing) when selecting any of the video colours. I even did a fresh install of Windows 7, same happend again. Nothing major in all honestly, but no such issues with Windows 8.

I also like the way it tells you at the log in screen when you have Windows updates to install.

pimp_gimp · 02-06-2013, 06:58 | posts: 5,795 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

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Originally Posted by ElementalDragon

Hell.... for 3+ months, they were offering the upgrade for $40 for Windows 8 Pro.... PLUS Windows Media Center for free.

What I don't understand is why they removed Windows Media Center from Windows 8 in the first place. I mean it's not like in the past it got in the way if one chose not to use it. It has always been completely optional for someone to use.

ElementalDragon · 02-06-2013, 07:07 | posts: 8,264 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

I guess probably just another way to try to trim the overall cost to the end-user? I dunno. I mean like you said, it has been completely optional for someone to use.... and if someone should feel they need it in Windows 8... say, if they decide to turn their computer into a HTPC, $10 isn't that insane an amount of money.

KissSh0t · 02-06-2013, 08:12 | posts: 1,038 | Location: Deep Dark Dungeon

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Originally Posted by pimp_gimp

What I don't understand is why they removed Windows Media Center from Windows 8 in the first place. I mean it's not like in the past it got in the way if one chose not to use it. It has always been completely optional for someone to use.

It is a cost based decision, To do with them licensing codecs from Dolby Digital was it? my memory is a little rusty.

kitch9 · 02-06-2013, 09:49 | posts: 1,862 | Location: Doncaster, England

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Originally Posted by Legendary_Agent

Oh yeah people like me are scared by facts

Dude, you are in a thread which is discussing Windows 8, an OS which by your own admission you haven't used and it is not your daily OS. In said thread you are trying to tell guys who use the OS daily what is wrong with the OS the you haven't even used and you are wrong and you have no way of knowing it because YOU DO NOT USE THE OS!

Tard is not the word for your situation which you seem incapable of just leaving alone like some OCD mentalist....

kitch9 · 02-06-2013, 10:25 | posts: 1,862 | Location: Doncaster, England

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Originally Posted by KissSh0t

It is a cost based decision, To do with them licensing codecs from Dolby Digital was it? my memory is a little rusty.

Yeah, some of the codecs it has to support to be an actual Media Centre require royalties to be paid everytime it is installed on a new PC now, therefore just including it in EVERY copy of the OS will be hugely expensive, especially when only a fraction of users will actually use it....

dsbig · *Last edited by dsbig; 02-06-2013 at 11:27.*

yeah the stupid playready drm crap needed to watch tv..

I dont even like using media center as it takes longer to setup tv tuners then wintv software.

media center takes too long to scan channels.

Ghosty · 02-06-2013, 14:10 | posts: 1,446 | Location: UK

You can watch most stuff directly on a website these days, so needing a TV tuner is a thing of the past.

Legendary_Agent · 02-06-2013, 14:47 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by Ghosty

The control panel used to go black (crashing) when selecting any of the video colours. I even did a fresh install of Windows 7, same happend again. Nothing major in all honestly, but no such issues with Windows 8.

I also like the way it tells you at the log in screen when you have Windows updates to install.

I see what you mean, i tested it myself and the entire window failed to refresh resulting in beying black, i had to take it over the screen edges and back, and it returned to normal, im not sure this is a OS issue, im more inclined into thinking this is something faulty with the software itself but in any case its annoying indeed.

Legendary_Agent · 02-06-2013, 14:50 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by kitch9

Dude, you are in a thread which is discussing Windows 8, an OS which by your own admission you haven't used and it is not your daily OS. In said thread you are trying to tell guys who use the OS daily what is wrong with the OS the you haven't even used and you are wrong and you have no way of knowing it because YOU DO NOT USE THE OS!

Tard is not the word for your situation which you seem incapable of just leaving alone like some OCD mentalist....

Yep, thats pretty much the number 1 excuse for any windows 8 fanboy, you dont like it? its cause u didnt use it!
News flash, i dont have to like it to be able to use it, i have used it a couple of times and didnt like it, its not my problem you cant cope with that.

IPlayNaked · 02-06-2013, 14:53 | posts: 6,559

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Originally Posted by Legendary_Agent

Yep, thats pretty much the number 1 excuse for any windows 8 fanboy, you dont like it? its cause u didnt use it!
News flash, i dont have to like it to be able to use it, i have used it a couple of times and didnt like it, its not my problem you cant cope with that.

No one cares, go away.

Keitosha · 02-06-2013, 15:50 | posts: 4,380 | Location: Omicron Persei Windows 8 Pro WMC

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Originally Posted by sykozis

Windows8 claims my SSDs need to be "optimized"....lol

Optimizing SSD's in W8 means running a TRIM command. Optimizing with HDD's means defragging.

But it does what it needs to do, most TRIM commands are done via the hardware itself.

Legendary_Agent · 02-06-2013, 16:00 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by Keitosha

Optimizing SSD's in W8 means running a TRIM command. Optimizing with HDD's means defragging.

But it does what it needs to do, most TRIM commands are done via the hardware itself.

What do you mean the trim commands are done via the hardware itself? are you saying that the ssd chooses when to run the windows trim command or that the ssd has its internal software that deals with it internally?

Keitosha · 02-06-2013, 16:12 | posts: 4,380 | Location: Omicron Persei Windows 8 Pro WMC

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Originally Posted by Legendary_Agent

What do you mean the trim commands are done via the hardware itself? are you saying that the ssd chooses when to run the windows trim command or that the ssd has its internal software that deals with it internally?

Some controllers have TRIM built in. Some older Sandforce controllers for example have not. In case for the latter, you can optimize your drive manually in Windows or set a schedule.

I tried "optimizing" myself a few manually and i see no difference in available sizes or performance. I suppose it is working like it should.

You are correct that hardware TRIM devices are issuing a TRIM command by itself.

dsbig · 02-06-2013, 16:54 | posts: 1,739 | Location: in a house

Windows 8 can be a dick when you want to enter recovery. The stupid shift f8 key don't always work. And then it wants to do it own repair or checks with no way to cancel so you get stuck staring at attempting repair screen and all you wanted to do was enter safe mode or something would of taking 5 second to do.

Why the hell did the have to chang that part so stupid

IPlayNaked · 02-06-2013, 17:10 | posts: 6,559

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Originally Posted by dsbig

Windows 8 can be a dick when you want to enter recovery. The stupid shift f8 key don't always work. And then it wants to do it own repair or checks with no way to cancel so you get stuck staring at attempting repair screen and all you wanted to do was enter safe mode or something would of taking 5 second to do.

Why the hell did the have to chang that part so stupid

That part is definitely a stupid one, no doubt. I feel they probably wanted to cut down as much of the boot time as possible, but I think they could have left a 1-2s window where F8 would work in there.

If you can't boot, currently the best way to get into safe mode is to simply fail to boot a few times, then it will give you the option. It's not ideal, but it's not impossible to do either.

Legendary_Agent · 02-06-2013, 17:42 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Originally Posted by Keitosha

Some controllers have TRIM built in. Some older Sandforce controllers for example have not. In case for the latter, you can optimize your drive manually in Windows or set a schedule.

I tried "optimizing" myself a few manually and i see no difference in available sizes or performance. I suppose it is working like it should.

You are correct that hardware TRIM devices are issuing a TRIM command by itself.

Thank you for the information, i wasnt aware of that system at all.

kitch9 · 02-06-2013, 21:51 | posts: 1,862 | Location: Doncaster, England

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Originally Posted by Legendary_Agent

Yep, thats pretty much the number 1 excuse for any windows 8 fanboy, you dont like it? its cause u didnt use it!
News flash, i dont have to like it to be able to use it, i have used it a couple of times and didnt like it, its not my problem you cant cope with that.

I'm not one to get on the tard-go-round when it's moving and there's no stopping you it appears.

kitch9 · 02-06-2013, 21:58 | posts: 1,862 | Location: Doncaster, England

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Originally Posted by IPlayNaked

That part is definitely a stupid one, no doubt. I feel they probably wanted to cut down as much of the boot time as possible, but I think they could have left a 1-2s window where F8 would work in there.

If you can't boot, currently the best way to get into safe mode is to simply fail to boot a few times, then it will give you the option. It's not ideal, but it's not impossible to do either.

Or, just make a recovery disc in the recovery menu in control panel... Takes like 2 minutes.