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Default 02-05-2013, 04:39 | posts: 8,754 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

And like i said in my previous post before you went all psychotic rant-y...... give me a scenario that you feel cannot be done on the, as you call it, Windows 8 "Desktop" interface, and i'll replicate it. Unless the only thing you can think of is the OH SO ABSURD idea of having a search feature that separates what you're looking for into categories instead of one long list to sort through.

I didn't "Fall in love" with Windows 8 because i own it. I found out i like it after USING it. Key word there, that you obviously ignored. And something that you obviously didn't do. Your entire rant is about the "Metro" UI. You've YET to point out something that cannot be done on what you seem to think is a dumbed down desktop interface..... which only further leads me to believe that you installed the consumer preview once, played with Metro for a couple minutes and found out you didn't like it, went into the Desktop and realized the classic start menu wasn't there, and probed no further into the OS, coming to the delusional conclusion that they put an OS from a phone onto a desktop.

So..... as i said..... provide me with a scenario that you seem to believe is impossible to do on the desktop as you normally would in your beloved Windows 7, and i'll prove you wrong.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 04:47 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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coming to the delusional conclusion that they put an OS from a phone onto a desktop.
The whole UI speaks for itself about how "delusional" i am about that.

As for providing a scenario where windows 8 cant do something that windows 7 can, i dont actually think ive ever said that.
What i did say was, on a desktop, the productivity is decreased by using windows 8 in comparison to windows 7, i specified many times that, and many times i have specified why objectively.

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Default 02-05-2013, 05:39 | posts: 8,754 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

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anyone can realise that windows 8 interface is nothing like windows 7 or previous windows just by looking at your screenshot.
Which.... i find funny, cause the entire point of my screenshot was to disregard your suddenly becoming cliche "Windows Phone 8 Interface" comment. And really? "Anyone" can realize that the interface is nothing like previous versions of windows by that screenshot? You can tell all that by the fact that the start button isn't there? Damn...... you must be god or something..... either that, or i just didn't realize that Windows 7 and earlier could like... read your mind... and set off fireworks to match what's on screen or something.... i dunno.

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i pointed out why windows 8 "desktop" interface is definetly not equal or close to beying equal to previous windows versions.
I'm sure i could find more... but judging by the fact that those two were comments you made in your previous post, i'd be quoting a lot.

I'm the one who's been telling YOU to provide ME with scenario's where Window's 8 can't do something that Windows 7 can (aside from the negligible Search feature). The simple fact that you've come to the conclusion that somehow productivity is decreased simply because the Start menu is different is enough for anyone to realize you've hardly taken any time at all with the OS, aside from the 5 or so minutes i previously mentioned.

I don't recall ever reading a single post from you specifying why you find productivity to be decreased in W8... again, aside from Search. Hell, look at the first page of this new thread. People who've decided to start using Windows 8, and who've found that all the complaints are just BS.

Again... The only differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8 is the Start Screen, and slightly better performance. The desktop interface (aside from the lack of a Start button) has not changed in the least. Hence, delusional to say that it's somehow lackluster in comparison.

I'm not saying "I like it, so you should like it, too, damnit". I honestly couldn't care less if you liked it or not. But making accusations about something that you seem to have no working knowledge about with the OS is annoying as hell.

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Default 02-05-2013, 06:32 | posts: 3,479 | Location: UK

Windows 8 really isn't as bad as people might have you believe. I personally took a dislike to it based on the reviews from other people on this site, and elsewhere. I felt it was a good time to upgrade, as the price was very attractive.

Runs super smooth. Less problems with ATI control panel than with Windows 7. GPU is showing 0% usage as Aero isn't battering it. What I am trying to say is, you need to try it for yourself.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 07:07 | posts: 2,392 | Location: 0.0.0.0

Windows 8 is a good OS.. I can't believe your still arguing in the new thread about the same exact thing.

Yes the start menu is different, please don't continue now with the same argument.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 07:15 | posts: 8,754 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

I'd prefer if it didn't go to that point, either, and was revolving more around the people who actually like and have USED the OS.... but a certain someone just can't let it go.
   
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supa dupa win 8...
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 07:52 | posts: 2,806 | Location: florida

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supa dupa win 8...
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would be even better if crytek would make there editor run right in windows 8

with game mode I cant do full screen, just goes to black screen
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 13:20 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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Windows 8 really isn't as bad as people might have you believe. I personally took a dislike to it based on the reviews from other people on this site, and elsewhere. I felt it was a good time to upgrade, as the price was very attractive.

Runs super smooth. Less problems with ATI control panel than with Windows 7. GPU is showing 0% usage as Aero isn't battering it. What I am trying to say is, you need to try it for yourself.
What problems with CCC have you found on windows 7 that dissapeared in windows 8?
As for gpu usage, afaik gpu is used in win8 aswell, i dont see how that is a downside, if you dont want your idling gpu to be used then either disable aero transparency or switch to classic mode.

@ElementalDragon, im glad you posted the post#31 so people can realise how hypocritical your interaction has been in this thread, they wont even have to check the older one.

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Default 02-05-2013, 15:31 | posts: 1,047 | Location: South China, Maine USA

It's nice to see that L A is still trolling the Windows 8 threads. You just can't resist them can you? I just don't understand your "need" to continually regurgitate the same old boring, useless crap, especially since you openly state that you haven't even used the OS for more than a few minutes. You don't like Win 8 and that's fine, but I and many others do so why continue to troll the Win 8 threads? If you don't like, why bother wasting your time posting worthless claims in threads concerning it?
   
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It's nice to see that L A is still trolling the Windows 8 threads. You just can't resist them can you? I just don't understand your "need" to continually regurgitate the same old boring, useless crap, especially since you openly state that you haven't even used the OS for more than a few minutes. You don't like Win 8 and that's fine, but I and many others do so why continue to troll the Win 8 threads? If you don't like, why bother wasting your time posting worthless claims in threads concerning it?
I was pretty much bashing windows 8 myself until I just went with the 30 upgrade to windows 8 pro.
Like, I don't know where all this BS about the interface and stuff came?
Based no what I had read then, windows 8 was an utter failure.

I liked windows 8 from the first time I booted into it, I mean the only thing weird was the start menu at first, but after I realized it has all the functionality and then some as the old vista/win7 start menu I felt like using a better version of windows 7.
You can even disable the start menu if it really annoys you.
But to be honest, the only time you see it is when you boot into windows or when you search/launch programs by pressing windows key and typing the program name + enter for second or two...

You can't experience this OS by reading reviews, which by the way mostly tell total BS about windows 8, especially things like missing features about metro which in fact are present and working just fine, they just didn't take the time to test the OS thoroughly I guess.

I'd urge people to just ignore these ignorant windows 8 trollers who haven't even tried the retail version of the OS in the first place, and are making judgments already.
Windows 8 is a great OS and is has many improvements such as noticeably faster boot times and a nice refreshing UI, while still being almost identical to windows 7 (just a minor refresh so to say), and lets not forget things like the new file explorer, or the new convenient shortcuts like windows + x which brings up pretty much all the commonly used administrative tools (event viewer, task manager, device manager, you name it).
It's a really good idea to check a guide on windows 8 tips or something to learn all the shortcuts.

All in all, even if I were to consider metro a horrible decision, which I did at the beginning, it's still an upgrade and better than windows 7.
Especially since you can even disable the metro stuff all together if you want.
I imagine people went over this same BS discussion when windows XP came (I don't know) but just look what became of XP lol.
   
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I think we need to remember that device drivers for our hardware will continue to be updated for the newest operating system. Since Windows 8 is it drivers, especially video drivers, will be optimized for Windows 8. I don't know about you but I want all the performance I can get for the hardware I have. If you are a gamer then every frame per second matters. If you just surf the web or use your PC as a typewriter then Windows XP is all you need. My upgrade from Windows 7 to 8 was a breeze and I have a lot of software on it. Only a few programs had to be reinstalled. Performance is great.
For those of us who have upgraded operating systems in the past you know that upgrading without a fresh install was a mistake. Things have changed. Now the upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 8 was different. It stalled at 90% like so many others. The solution is that you cannot upgrade a 32 bit operating system to a 64 bit system. You must do a fresh install. The key you purchased for the $39.99 will work on the full install.
It really is a matter of choice but i would rather take the deal on Windows 8 that hold off and pay a premium later because the upgrade path offered doesn't include my current operating system.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 20:19 | posts: 8,754 | Location: Pennsylvania, USA

LA, how am i being hypocritical? You're the one who keeps spouting BS after having momentarily used the OS without really seeming to dig into it at all, and you expect everyone to just say "Oh... ok... he must know what he's talking about"? By some people not being able to let it go, i'm talking about you in particular. For this thread, and a LOT of pages of the last one, all you keep spouting is "Windows Phone 8 Interface" this and "Search" that... are those the only two things you looked at before generating your opinion? or did you actually NOT use the OS and just watch some video reviews and tours of the OS before coming to your conclusions?

When i said "I'd prefer if it didn't go to that point..", i was basically saying that i wish you'd have noticed several pages ago that just about everyone who was bashing the OS like you have been has either used the OS and realized they may have been a bit mistaken, or has left the thread alone. Yet, you keep coming back with the same crap telling people that the OS sucks because the start menu resembles Windows Phone's Live Tiles, and somehow feel that that makes Windows 8 a phone OS, and not a desktop OS. I just can't figure you out, dude.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 20:56 | posts: 1,886 | Location: Doncaster, England

Internet is full of tards trying to pass comment on the os which they've not used, based on what other tards who have not used the os either have said and the moron they tend to spew is things like:

"Search, lol. "

" Phone ui lol"

"Unproductive lol. "

Ad nauseum.... Tards with an opinion on something that they haven't used is easy to spot.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 21:58 | posts: 5,286 | Location: Everyday Rain Florida

Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade, this is not facebook

http://i.minus.com/is9wVyJkS9Adi.gif

On the other hand despite what people said a few months back I still wanted to try it to see it for myself and I am actually fine with it. You can easily customize things you don't want, granted you're getting a "new" OS and you want older features and most people want new things but don't like change. I admit that I sometimes use the start UI but 90% of the time I just use the regular start (classicshell). Some drivers do need to be ironed out but thats how it usually is, just needs some kinks out. If you are 100% happy with 7 then there is no need to upgrade to 8 and no need to bash on it for not being the same as 7.

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Default 02-05-2013, 22:28 | posts: 16,949 | Location: US East Coast

My only issue with Windows8....is Bluetooth support. I plug in my Bluetooth adapter...Windows installs drivers and nothing will sync...

UZ7, careful with that "nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade" comment.... The Win8Haters don't like that fact being pointed out. I've been attacked in every Win8 thread for making that same statement...


   
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My only issue with Windows8....is Bluetooth support. I plug in my Bluetooth adapter...Windows installs drivers and nothing will sync...

UZ7, careful with that "nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade" comment.... The Win8Haters don't like that fact being pointed out. I've been attacked in every Win8 thread for making that same statement...
Haha I know what you mean, I had Win8 on my laptop for a while and stuck with Win7 on my main, when I jumped to Win8 on my main rig my bros and friends were like what?! you put it on your main?! and they don't want to touch Win8 just from the fact that they saw or read reviews but never actually used it. For me personally I wouldn't give it a full number upgrade, I would say its more like a Win7.5 as it doesn't really have ground breaking features just like how the iOS6 was with the iPhone and it was no Vista -> Win7 transition either.

There are a few more other issues that needs to be sorted out but for a regular use I think its usable. But in the longrun most people that are used to Windows 7 want to feel at home when then jump to 8 without having to modify or install anything just how I felt when I went from Vista to 7. I tweaked Vista to the point where it was pretty solid and when 7 came out all those tweaks were already set from stock so thats when i knew 7 was going to be popular. I didn't feel that with 8, took me a few minutes to learn the ins and outs but again not everyone is tech savvy or good with navigating through an OS.

We can get into the whole oh try before you buy, you don't have to upgrade and thats fine. I'm just not a fan of people going based on youtube or reviews and automatically thinks thats how it works when not realizing the video was a review on a preview or dev build etc...

So the only issue I have is probably driver support (which should improve) and VM issues etc.. and to some people those are really big while others its not. Some people use OS for gaming while others only use to browse facebook.

Different people, different needs, same OS.. it will have its kinks
   
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My only issue with Windows8....is Bluetooth support. I plug in my Bluetooth adapter...Windows installs drivers and nothing will sync...

UZ7, careful with that "nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade" comment.... The Win8Haters don't like that fact being pointed out. I've been attacked in every Win8 thread for making that same statement...
At first glance it might seem irrational to expect negative replies to statements such as those, however once you start thinking about it, you will eventually reach a valid a explanation:

Even though this is clearly not the case, in some cases when you are trully not "forced" to upgrade, that statement may be considered as an insult, first of all if that is the case they already know it and you are not adding anything of value to the discussion, instead you are taken as trolling them by explaining 1+1=2, so even though they really dont care they have that possibility and they complain for their own reasons either because they want Microsoft to know about it and not make the same mistake in the future or whatever other reasons they might have, you are pretty much telling them indirectly to shut up just because you dont like their complaints.

Now, the part of the so called "fact" that you have stated it is pretty much biased and here is why.
Microsoft does whatever they can in their power to make the userbase to go to windows 8, either taking previous windows copies out of some specific stores, making all available windows product preinstalled with windows 8, stopping support for previous windows to indulge previous windows users to upgrade to the newest version, or simply adding new features only to the newest windows and locking them on previous versions, DX11.1 is a partial example of that.
This cheap marketing strategy is nothing new from microsoft, even their gaming departament do it on the xbox.
So in this specific case, that is a pretty much false statement as they indeed are not free from pressure for changing to new versions.
As for programmers, it doesnt matter if they simply hate it or not, if some cannot financially avoid it, they will be forced to code for it no matter what their opinion is about that product.

Hopefully that rationalizes the replies you have been experiencing from other users from other threads.
   
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Have you actually used the OS for more than 10 minutes? Didn't think so, so how can you actually think that people should listen to all of your drivel and take your "concerns" seriously? Look at your post history regarding Windows 8. You even made a thread asking users to answer questions you had (I was among those that responded with detailed information.) regarding how certain things were handled in Windows 8. Yet, here you are continuing your quest to make all these false claims and propaganda about how bad Windows 8 is but you still have absolutely zero real world experience with it in any meaningful sense. You are going on just blind opinion or perhaps hearsay at best without anything to really contribute. Everyone (and I mean everyone I know that has upgraded to Win 8, say around 40 people with varying degrees of computer skill) has been happy with their move to Windows 8. Yes, some of them have ran into issues or had some difficulties with certain changes and some feel that certain aspects could use improvement. But they have all been glad that they made the move, because all of them now feel that it was an improvement over Win 7, in one form or another. I just find it funny that some people make these grandiose claims about how everyone that tries Win 8 hates it. I have found the exact opposite. Sure, there has been some confusion and a learning curve, but once they've past that they have been pleased. Those that claim that Windows 8 is worse than Windows Vista/ME or that the OS isn't productive are simply talking out of their asses. That is NOT an opinion that is a fact. Windows 8 is far more stable (even at this early stage) than Vista ever was (or Win 7 for that matter) and is as productive, if not more so than any previous Windows OS. Saying otherwise is just plain stupidity. I get that some don't like the Modern UI, and that parts of the OS seems a bit dis-jointed, but to say that it is horrible, non-productive, and just down right worthless is just plain idiotic.
   
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At first glance it might seem irrational to expect negative replies to statements such as those, however once you start thinking about it, you will eventually reach a valid a explanation:

Even though this is clearly not the case, in some cases when you are trully not "forced" to upgrade, that statement may be considered as an insult, first of all if that is the case they already know it and you are not adding anything of value to the discussion, instead you are taken as trolling them by explaining 1+1=2, so even though they really dont care they have that possibility and they complain for their own reasons either because they want Microsoft to know about it and not make the same mistake in the future or whatever other reasons they might have, you are pretty much telling them indirectly to shut up just because you dont like their complaints.

Now, the part of the so called "fact" that you have stated it is pretty much biased and here is why.
Microsoft does whatever they can in their power to make the userbase to go to windows 8, either taking previous windows copies out of some specific stores, making all available windows product preinstalled with windows 8, stopping support for previous windows to indulge previous windows users to upgrade to the newest version, or simply adding new features only to the newest windows and locking them on previous versions, DX11.1 is a partial example of that.
This cheap marketing strategy is nothing new from microsoft, even their gaming departament do it on the xbox.
So in this specific case, that is a pretty much false statement as they indeed are not free from pressure for changing to new versions.
As for programmers, it doesnt matter if they simply hate it or not, if some cannot financially avoid it, they will be forced to code for it no matter what their opinion is about that product.

Hopefully that rationalizes the replies you have been experiencing from other users from other threads.
So, MS is "forcing" people to upgrade by marketing a new product? That's essentially what you just said. If you're a software developer, you go where the money is...that isn't Microsoft forcing you to code for Windows8. That's your employer and customer base.

The replies I receive are not rational and there is no way to rationalize them. People upgrade because they want to. Nobody forces them to. Nobody's life is going to end just because you choose not to upgrade. The claim that MS is "forcing" people to upgrade, is plain bull****. That's like saying Ford, Honda, Toyota, Chevrolet, etc are forcing you to buy a new car because the new model has a feature that your model doesn't....

As a professional, at some point you're going to end up doing something you don't want/like to do. As an end-user....you have options. Nobody can force you to upgrade if you don't want to. Just because a new product has new features....doesn't mean you're forced to use that new product.


   
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Samsung SSD users (think it works for other ssds as well). New Samsung Magician 4 w/ Windows 8 support

Program is detecting that my OS isnt optimized for SSD since I didn't use their presets but I'll check it out to see if it added anything new.
   
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Default 02-05-2013, 23:34 | posts: 16,949 | Location: US East Coast

Windows8 claims my SSDs need to be "optimized"....lol


   
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Default 02-06-2013, 00:03 | posts: 881 | Location: Portugal

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So, MS is "forcing" people to upgrade by marketing a new product? That's essentially what you just said. If you're a software developer, you go where the money is...that isn't Microsoft forcing you to code for Windows8. That's your employer and customer base.

The replies I receive are not rational and there is no way to rationalize them. People upgrade because they want to. Nobody forces them to. Nobody's life is going to end just because you choose not to upgrade. The claim that MS is "forcing" people to upgrade, is plain bull****. That's like saying Ford, Honda, Toyota, Chevrolet, etc are forcing you to buy a new car because the new model has a feature that your model doesn't....

As a professional, at some point you're going to end up doing something you don't want/like to do. As an end-user....you have options. Nobody can force you to upgrade if you don't want to. Just because a new product has new features....doesn't mean you're forced to use that new product.
Well then, i apologize, have fun discarding information and expect same replies in the future.
   
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Default 02-06-2013, 00:12 | posts: 1,047 | Location: South China, Maine USA

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Well then, i apologize, have fun discarding information and expect same replies in the future.
Except that you haven't provided any valid information, only your baseless opinions.
   
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Default 02-06-2013, 00:12 | posts: 16,949 | Location: US East Coast

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Well then, i apologize, have fun discarding information and expect same replies in the future.
Facts seem to scare people like you....so I fully expect to continue seeing the trolls post the same old bull....


   
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