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AMD Catalyst 13.1 (8.970.100.7000 November 16) Legacy Driver (closed, derailed)
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Talking AMD Catalyst 13.1 (8.970.100.7000 November 16) Legacy Driver (closed, derailed) - 01-21-2013, 18:41 | posts: 1,021 | Location: iTALY

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AMD Catalyst™ Driver for AMD Radeon™ HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2000 Series:

AMD has moved to the AMD Radeon™ HD 4000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 2000 Series new driver support model. These updates will focus on resolving application specific issues and critical updates. The reason for the shift in support policy is largely due to the fact that the AMD Radeon HD 4000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 2000 Series have been optimized to their maximum potential from a performance and feature perspective.

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Hydravision Vista/7/8
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DriverVer=11/16/2012, 8.970.100.7000
8.97.100.7-121116a-151639C-ATI

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Default 01-21-2013, 18:45 | posts: 314

WTF , , , r u serious..???!!!! wow

I just got rid of my HD 4650..!!
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 18:51 | posts: 1,884

This is great,, thanks Asder and thanks amd for not forgetting about us Legacy Users!!!!!!
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 18:53 | posts: 12 | Location: Romania

i can't believe this
   
 
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Default 01-21-2013, 18:54 | posts: 1,335 | Location: Charleroi, PA

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WTF , , , r u serious..???!!!! wow

I just got rid of my HD 4650..!!
Why's this a problem? You now appear to have a recently supported card

Kinda wish something would be done about the older legacy though, but those are long unsupported and probably unused (I have a Xpress 200M in a Desktop)
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:00 | posts: 383

Is this a dream? Is the driver signed by WHQL?
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:09 | posts: 1,021 | Location: iTALY

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Is the driver signed by WHQL?
Only XP is WHQL.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:12 | posts: 314

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Why's this a problem? You now appear to have a recently supported card

Kinda wish something would be done about the older legacy though, but those are long unsupported and probably unused (I have a Xpress 200M in a Desktop)
Well ya I'm Having a nice GPU now.. but it was interesting to make mods of the old drivers and try to provide some perf boost for the Legacy GPUS

and it would have been interesting to see what changes did AMD make in this 13.1 for the Legacy.. coz, from the main post I can see that the Driver version, Opencl version are all same as 12.6...

but .. that's of no use for me now

By th way,, Thank U my hero ( Asder00 )..
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:38 | posts: 779 | Location: England

Whoopie doo...and not a moment too soon.

If the clocks are still busted on multigpu though after almost a year of a gazillion bugreports i'm gonna be pissed....

In testing...back next week

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Default 01-21-2013, 19:39 | posts: 383

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Only XP is WHQL.
Ok ty.

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Whoopie doo...and not a moment too soon.

If the clocks are still busted on multigpu though after almost a year of a gazillion bugreports i'm gonna be pissed....
LOL
   
 
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:40 | posts: 28 | Location: Poland

Modern apps like photo music still don't work. Hardware acceleration in firefox don't work. Next joke from AMD.

No kdbsync.exe error on start. WOW
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:48 | posts: 383

I get 12 fps less in counter strike source benchmark at 1920x1080 with a 4670 (188 to 176) but the game feels snappier. I like this driver.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 20:22 | posts: 779 | Location: England

BS, well you must also like 12.6 then, because it's just a placebo, because your still using 12.6. and no your not missing much ankinferno...

Your not gonna like this ppl...I'm seriously not even gonna waste my time with it...

atiumdag.dll DX9 same version as 12.6
atidxx.dll DX10/11 same version as 12.6
aticfx.dll same version as 12.6

video decoding .dll's same as 12.6 green screens included.
atikmdag.sys same as 12.6 - 2nd ASIC clocks still broken.
ATI stream cal's same as 12.6

Newer CCC, Newer OpenGL .dll .11672 and slightly newer OpenCL although both still older than my drivers at .11774 OpenGL and 983.2 OpenCL.

Calling it 13.1 is a complete joke..there is nothing new to benefit newer games especially in crossfire like FC3 etc. It's more like a 12.6.1, with minor changes at that...

Thanks for them anyway, nothing new to see here though since 18th April 2012 ppl... I think i'll pass...

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Default 01-21-2013, 20:29 | posts: 40 | Location: Lisbon, Portugal

That's the whole point of Legacy...
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 20:31 | posts: 779 | Location: England

Pah...Then why bother releasing a big fat red AMD 13.1 legacy balloon with no skin on it... ?

While there are versions of components out there older yet even higher than these that *still work on legacy*

I'm not complaining, but neither am I going to be using them either.

If they aint been busy squashing any bugs for 9 months, then what's the point of just a token version bump from 12.6 to 13.1 with effectively the same files...and all the same monkey trousers bugs as 9 months ago.

If this is their idea of legacy support by not actually fixing a thing, where there is simply in reality no point in feedback forms, or reporting any bugs because jack jones will be done about any of them, then they can shove legacy support where the sun doesn't shine. 13.1 my ass.

I'll just keep on using my homebrew's...where the hardware acceleration in firefox *does* work, in reply to karnasw above...


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Default 01-21-2013, 20:36 | posts: 40 | Location: France

You know, as long as i get to use your driver Kev, i'm fine
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 21:25 | posts: 2,982 | Location: Canada

As has been said many times, Legacy drivers will not be receiving updates like newer cards, the drivers will be minor fixes built on the 8.97 branch.

The snide comments already in this thread are ridiculous and have been deleted.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 21:36 | posts: 34 | Location: Israel

thanks ati and guru
   
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If they updated CCC to the new Profile Manager, its worth it...
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 22:14 | posts: 779 | Location: England

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As has been said many times, Legacy drivers will not be receiving updates like newer cards, the drivers will be minor fixes built on the 8.97 branch.

The snide comments already in this thread are ridiculous and have been deleted.
"fixes" being the operative word, there are no "fixes" in this anymore than there are in 12.6 legacy. Apart from "fixing" the version number in the .inf and on the website.

Not for 9 months to show for it anyway...

Not everybody needs all 6000 & 7000 series cards in all their machines in the house...

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Default 01-21-2013, 22:21 | posts: 1,335 | Location: Charleroi, PA

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...Not everybody needs all 6000 & 7000 series cards in all their machines in the house...
Just like how not everybody needs to upgrade from Windows 2000 or XP or Linux Kernel 2.3 apparently.

If hardware is marked as legacy, it is usually older. But during the time it wasn't legacy, it had its fair share of updates, fixes, and etc. just like current cards. And at some point in the far future, the 6k and 7k series will also (most likely, unless AMD doesn't release anything else I guess) be marked as Legacy, either that, or stop receiving performance updates and etc.

Should AMD also be supporting the RAGE Pro too?
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 22:35 | posts: 779 | Location: England

No of course they shouldn't, because you can't use a rage pro on modern operating systems unlike you can with the 4K series...

And that's why Rage Pro is not supported, because it makes absolute perfect common sense.

But having a 4K card in a Windows 7 or Windows 8 box able to play 99% of games out there...able to make use of aero and metro, isn't as ridiculous as it seems than trying to coax a rage pro to work on an AGP less motherboard above all else.

So..dropping drivers while this is still valid makes no sense...as well as supporting a 7K DX11 series card in Windows XP that is DX9 only also makes no sense.

Updated drivers are needed for cards in crossfire on modern games because caps are not a be and end all solution or you are completely stuffed unless your using a single card. So laptop IGP's also culled should be fine as well.

Nvidia seems to understand this concept, supporting cards dating back to 2004, but not the 1990's and Rage pro/Rage 128 days which is fair enough.

And btw the drivers didn't work properly for them either before they were left in the dust...

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Default 01-21-2013, 22:49 | posts: 383

Single card configuration FTW

I like having the newest CCC.
   
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Why's this a problem? You now appear to have a recently supported card

Kinda wish something would be done about the older legacy though, but those are long unsupported and probably unused (I have a Xpress 200M in a Desktop)
For the Xpress 200M the latest driver that works I think is the 10.2. I have a 2005 XP laptop with that same card and that's what I'm using.

You really don't need anything newer because any games made after 2010 requiring optimizations will not be playable on that card anyway.

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Default 01-21-2013, 23:03 | posts: 1,335 | Location: Charleroi, PA

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For the Xpress 200M the latest driver that works I think is the 10.2. I have a 2005 XP laptop with that same card and that's what I'm using.

You really don't need anything newer because any games made after 2010 requiring optimizations will not be playable on that card anyway.
I guess that's a good point, not really sure what I would want in terms of a newer driver. It worked about as well as I expected to under Windows 8 even.

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No of course they shouldn't, because you can't use a rage pro on modern operating systems unlike you can with the 4K series...

And that's why Rage Pro is not supported, because it makes absolute perfect common sense.
I guess this is also a good point, but then I'll use the 200M as an example. Latest drivers by AMD support only Vista, but they can be installed and used in 7 and 8 (probably server variants too). But this card is also long unsupported. Really not sure what else AMD can do to make that chip any better, that would really be worth their time (it works as good as I'd expect it too, but if I really want more performance, I obviously would just buy a newer card instead of expecting AMD to make it any better).

Is there actually some widespread performance issues, or issues in general still plaguing the 4k series that would warrant newer drivers?
   
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