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Default Solid State... will it ever come down? - 01-21-2013, 00:35 | posts: 2,319 | Location: Memphis TN

Does anyone anticipate that soon we may see a sharp price drop in SS hard drives? Most other hardware this last 3 years has had big price reductions, but SS just seems to hardly ever go down.

I have no use for TB storage, but an affordable 320Gb SS would be perfect if not so crazy expensive.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 00:42 | posts: 26,671 | Location: Hampshire, UK

they are already a lot cheaper than they were 2 years ago. still a bit of a luxury item so it'll take some time.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 00:58 | posts: 11,376 | Location: England

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Does anyone anticipate that soon we may see a sharp price drop in SS hard drives? Most other hardware this last 3 years has had big price reductions, but SS just seems to hardly ever go down.

I have no use for TB storage, but an affordable 320Gb SS would be perfect if not so crazy expensive.
Really, prices are so much lower than a couple of years ago.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 01:00 | posts: 9,769 | Location: UK

^this and ^^ this
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 01:09 | posts: 1,822

And that.

They are so cheap these days, just boot the OS with a small one, lets say 60GB and use 1TB for all the rest.

I still remember when i bought my Intel 80GB X-25 for 225, which is still alive in good health.

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Default 01-21-2013, 04:35 | posts: 2,319 | Location: Memphis TN

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Really, prices are so much lower than a couple of years ago.
They have a little, but nothing like the price reductions seen with RAM and other hardware. 2 years ago I had thought mechanical drives would have been obsolete by now. I guess some people still have use for them, but to me its like buying a tube TV to put in a state of the art entertainment center.

They keep adding capacity to these old platter drives in order to hook people into buying them. This diverts attention from the fact they are slow as a slug. I will take speed over capacity any day, then for movie storage use a TB external drive. As for op system, games, and programs. I want them on SS for speed of access and better boot time.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 05:16 | posts: 9,769 | Location: UK

For the same size, they have halved in price and doubled in performance (transfer rate) in 2 years.
My old Vertex 2 60GB was 120.
Modern faster 60GB drives start at 47, averaging about 60.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 07:26 | posts: 4,041 | Location: Australia

Part of the reason is the infrastructure to produce RAM is already in place, and RAM doesn't really change much (comparatively speaking) in each generation. SSD's are still advancing, in terms of building and paying off production facilities, and developing new types of cells to store the data. Each time the cell changes, the production equipment needs updating, meaning it has to be replaced. This does not mean the prices won't come down, it just means it may not be as noticeable as with other technologies.

It has really become a necessity for new computers to come with a SSD, despite what some people may try to argue. I would argue though that 120GB is really 'needed', since 60GB is too little to hold Windows, programs, pagefile (no arguments about pagefile necessity here), etc. Then of course the default location to install programs and files on, and the location of documents, movies, and music files is on the SSD, which is less than optimal in terms of space management.

SSD's are beginning to encroach on the SATA3 limits, so it would be interesting to see when the next specification is released and what effect that will have on drive prices, and drive performance.

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Default 01-21-2013, 07:50 | posts: 5,856 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

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Does anyone anticipate that soon we may see a sharp price drop in SS hard drives? Most other hardware this last 3 years has had big price reductions, but SS just seems to hardly ever go down.

I have no use for TB storage, but an affordable 320Gb SS would be perfect if not so crazy expensive.
SSD prices have gone down quite a bit in the last two years. You can get a 360Gig SSD for $314 US or about $0.87 cents per gig. Honestly that isn't a bad price.

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Default 01-21-2013, 12:13 | posts: 4,903 | Location: London

512 GB for 300 was good for me. Vertex 4
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 12:36 | posts: 11,376 | Location: England

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512 GB for 300 was good for me. Vertex 4
I want a 500GB SSD but I need them to come down just a bit more
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 13:14 | posts: 4,903 | Location: London

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I want a 500GB SSD but I need them to come down just a bit more
Was better to bite the bullet I think. Awesome drive though, even if it is running at SATA 2 speeds.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 13:23 | posts: 5,958 | Location: Wolverhampton/United Kingdom

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Was better to bite the bullet I think. Awesome drive though, even if it is running at SATA 2 speeds.
Same here, I have my OCZ Agility 3 240GB SATA 3 running on a SATA 2 and its still amazingly fast. Can't wait til I upgrade to Haswell (i7 4770K) and finally get SATA3 for a nice boost in speeds

To the OP, SSD's are pretty cheap, because people mainly use them as OS boot drives and put all their programs, games, movies and music on a normal mechanical HDD.

I like others here long for the day when we can pick up 1TB SSD's for the same price as 1TB HDD's now! Unlike certain drives which cost a bomb, just look at the OCZ Revo PCI-E SSD Cards... The 940GB goes for nearly 800!!!
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 19:38 | posts: 977 | Location: Newton, NJ

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Really, prices are so much lower than a couple of years ago.
This^

I picked up a 120GB Intel 330 series for $125 USD

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They have a little, but nothing like the price reductions seen with RAM and other hardware. 2 years ago I had thought mechanical drives would have been obsolete by now. I guess some people still have use for them, but to me its like buying a tube TV to put in a state of the art entertainment center.

They keep adding capacity to these old platter drives in order to hook people into buying them. This diverts attention from the fact they are slow as a slug. I will take speed over capacity any day, then for movie storage use a TB external drive. As for op system, games, and programs. I want them on SS for speed of access and better boot time.
Well it's clear you must not have any actual storage needs. Using an SSD for storage is idiotic, wasteful and expensive because the speed is not needed.

Really? They keep adding capacity to hook people? Tell me please how I am going to make my 10TB storage server with SSDs instead of HDDs and not have it cost $10,000+
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 21:27 | posts: 856 | Location: Australia

SSD's to me are really for OS and programs + games, Although even with games these days you lose the speed as they all need to connect online which slows everything down anyway.

I dont see the need to ever go above 250gig on an SSD.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 21:56 | posts: 26,671 | Location: Hampshire, UK

Bill Gates didn't see the need for more than 640kb ram.
   
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Default 01-21-2013, 22:00 | posts: 1,333 | Location: Portugal

I have a 60gb one. Want a 1tb ssd for 100/200.
   
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Default 01-22-2013, 02:57 | posts: 977 | Location: Newton, NJ

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Bill Gates didn't see the need for more than 640kb ram.
Because Bill Gates totally said that

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...really_say_it_

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I have a 60gb one. Want a 1tb ssd for 100/200.
People want many things, doesn't mean we'll be able to get them any time soon
   
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Default 01-22-2013, 03:16 | posts: 9,769 | Location: UK

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People want many things, doesn't mean we'll be able to get them any time soon
Way to miss the point.

Would you rather that your main storage is 1MB/s.
Or would you rather that storage tech had advanced?
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 05:54 | posts: 977 | Location: Newton, NJ

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Way to miss the point.

Would you rather that your main storage is 1MB/s.
Or would you rather that storage tech had advanced?
...What? That doesn't make any sense at all....

My post said "People want many things, doesn't mean we'll be able to get them any time soon"

Does that say never?

Last time I checked, hard drive technology didn't just one day go to SATA3, 10,000RPM and 4TB.

It's a gradual thing
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 06:54 | posts: 6,798 | Location: USA

i remember my first intel ssd 160gb, that was like 500 bucks. you can get a 128 gb for 100~ give or take. prices will get cheaper as time goes on.
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 11:21 | posts: 9,870 | Location: Yorkshire [UK]

I don't think they're bad now.

Got my first September 2011, was 80 for 96GB
Got my second September 2012, was 50 for 128GB

In december a friend got a 256GB Crucial M4 for 99 from amazon. 128GB is fine for me though and affordable at 50.
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 16:26 | posts: 9,769 | Location: UK

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...What? That doesn't make any sense at all....

My post said "People want many things, doesn't mean we'll be able to get them any time soon"

Does that say never?

Last time I checked, hard drive technology didn't just one day go to SATA3, 10,000RPM and 4TB.

It's a gradual thing
There was no need for your comment, he can wish for what he likes.
People wishing for things creates markets and drives prices down which is why we have cheap mass storage that can achieve well over 100MB/s.
He didnt mention a timescale and you did nothing other than knock him back.
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 20:21 | posts: 209 | Location: Greece

It won't come down as long as the previous technology (HDD) exists. As easy as that.
   
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Default 01-23-2013, 22:18 | posts: 2,665 | Location: Ohio

Traditional drives are great for mass storage volumes. SSDs are great for system and programs. I don't see it necessary to have a SSD to load up my music or even HD movies as even modest spinners are able to play such content at far beyond the needed transfer rates to keep them consistent. The only reason I'd like a high capacity SSD at this point would be for games but as it stands I'm happy loading them from an 'old and moldy' 3TB 7200 RPM drive outside of the handful on my system SSD.
   
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