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Lenovo spills beans with AMD Radeon HD 8950 3GB card
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Default Lenovo spills beans with AMD Radeon HD 8950 3GB card - 01-07-2013, 16:29 | posts: 21,137 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Lenovo is showing the Erazer X700 at the Consumer Electronics show. It is a new gaming desktop PC that will be released in June for around $1,499. One of the interesting things is that the specificati...

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Default 01-07-2013, 17:07 | posts: 2,995

AMD does it again.
This will undoubtedly help them with their bloated inventory? Possibly boost 7950 sales?

EDIT: Ok, I may have been too harsh. But AMD needs to get a better hold of their partners. Premature marketing DOES hurt current products.

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Default 01-07-2013, 17:35 | posts: 11,364 | Location: England

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AMD does it again.
This will undoubtedly helping them with their bloated inventory? Possibly boost 7950 sales?

EDIT: Ok, I may have been too harsh. But AMD needs to get a better hold of their partners. Premature marketing DOES hurt current products.
Your previous bias does distract somewhat from a point you appear to be trying to make somewhere in that edited post.

Personally I don't think too much can be read into that amount of limited information. In fact it's next to nothing really.
   
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Default 01-07-2013, 17:55 | posts: 2,995

Why do you say edited? Look, now it's edited again.
Fixing spelling and grammar in a post... Is that against code of conduct?

And please, instead of "my previous bias", I would rather if we discuss the issue at hand.

Thank you.
   
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Default 01-07-2013, 22:27 | posts: 16,495 | Location: US East Coast

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Your previous bias does distract somewhat from a point you appear to be trying to make somewhere in that edited post.

Personally I don't think too much can be read into that amount of limited information. In fact it's next to nothing really.
He does have a point though. Neither AMD nor their partners should be releasing information so far ahead of launch. It hampers sales of current products and diminishes resale value pre-maturely.

Their marketing department constantly shoots themselves in the foot by "leaking" information on new products months ahead of "official" announcements....which are always months ahead of the actual launch. The "official" announcement of a product launch should only be a few weeks ahead of a product launch and nothing should be getting "leaked" that could possibly hinder the sale of current products.


   
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Default 01-07-2013, 22:44 | posts: 497

food for thought gurus, prepare your budget and mood

story: 5870 =< 480 , 6970 < 580

present and future: 7970 =< 680 , 8970 < 780

amd is not heading for high end gpu this time, they cannot..
their flagship : 8990 (as 6990 on the past)
   
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Default 01-07-2013, 22:52 | posts: 7,773 | Location: Urban`Jungle

Who cares?

They're doing just fine by gpu department, 7000 will continue to sell like 6000 series did when first 7000 leaks appeared.
   
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Default 01-07-2013, 23:04 | posts: 7,130 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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Who cares?

They're doing just fine by gpu department, 7000 will continue to sell like 6000 series did when first 7000 leaks appeared.
Uh, AMD's GPU department managed to net $18M in profit Q3 2012. That's literally nothing. The company lost $157m and projected another 9% for Q4. No department in AMD is doing "just fine". They are all failing pretty miserably, hence why they laid off most of the key people in the GPU department along with 15% of the workforce.

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Imo its fine as long as they're not in red.
   
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New day,old trick.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 00:08 | posts: 2,995

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Imo its fine as long as they're not in red.
AMD being fine, or not in red is not even a matter of discussion. But here it goes:

The Altman Z-Score is a formula used to measure risk of bankruptcy.

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a score below 1.81 is considered to be a distress zone.

AMD: -0.206
AMD is well below the cutoff for the distress zone.


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Who cares?

They're doing just fine by gpu department, 7000 will continue to sell like 6000 series did when first 7000 leaks appeared.
What kind of an argument is "6000 continued to sell"?
GTX 480 also "continued to sell"
That's not to say it wouldn't sell much-much better if it wasn't hot and power hungry.

Q3 2012 (when AMD "continue to sell like 6000 series did when first 7000 leaks appeared")
AMD graphics division revenue - (minus) 15% compared to Q3 2011.

Same period comparison for NVDA +20%. So what gives? Other than their ridiculous, laid-off then rehired marketing team.

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Default 01-08-2013, 00:50 | posts: 7,773 | Location: Urban`Jungle

wow :facepalm:


The only thing that matters to me is AMD 8900 series - the sooner the better, IDC about some company status and spread irrelevant info how to run it, etc..

But i see that its pretty common by you, especially when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 00:51 | posts: 4,922 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

Time for a minimum of 4gb of ram imo, rather have an excess than be running low even if only coz of crappy ports.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 00:56 | posts: 2,995

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wow :facepalm:


The only thing that matters to me is AMD 8900 series - the sooner the better, IDC about some company status and spread irrelevant info how to run it, etc..

But i see that its pretty common by you, especially when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia.
That's true. But remember what you've said: "Who cares?"
That's your only undisputed contribution in this thread so far.

Also, facepalming people is not very nice, especially after you've been proven wrong.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 01:07 | posts: 7,773 | Location: Urban`Jungle

What i dont care about is your fanboyism because its a little tiresome.

Hallryu said it right in first reply.
There is not munch or any gpu info anyway so its irrelevant for now, especially your marketing numbers.. ;p


Wake me up when we start to see some real details about GCN2 and GK110? hopefully its not just another GK104 (read* more cores kinda like GF114) middle ware chip >_<
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 01:14 | posts: 16,495 | Location: US East Coast

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wow :facepalm:


The only thing that matters to me is AMD 8900 series - the sooner the better, IDC about some company status and spread irrelevant info how to run it, etc..

But i see that its pretty common by you, especially when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia.
The 8900 series won't matter if AMD doesn't become profitable very soon. They're bleeding funds due to piss poor management. Who wants a bright, shiny new graphics card with no support because it's maker went belly up?

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What i dont care about is your fanboyism because its a little tiresome.

Hallryu said it right in first reply.
There is not munch or any gpu info anyway so its irrelevant for now, especially your marketing numbers.. ;p


Wake me up when we start to see some real details about GCN2 and GK110? hopefully its not just another GK104 (read* more cores kinda like GF114) middle ware chip >_<
His "marketing numbers"....are financial figures that show AMD to be on the verge of bankruptcy....which they've admitted themselves.


   
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Default 01-08-2013, 01:49 | posts: 2,995

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Wake me up when
yadayadayada

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Default 01-08-2013, 04:44 | posts: 2,371 | Location: 127.0.0.1

8970:
http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/AMD_...re_Summary.pdf
   
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Am i missing something? because it looks like the 7970 and 8970 are exactly the same hardware spec wise.
   
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Am i missing something? because it looks like the 7970 and 8970 are exactly the same hardware spec wise.
they are rebrands of series 7000 for the most part
   
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"Desktop OEM PCs"

I wish Nvida and AMD would stop doing this confusing name process.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 08:29 | posts: 3,256 | Location: Lebanon

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food for thought gurus, prepare your budget and mood

story: 5870 =< 480 , 6970 < 580

present and future: 7970 =< 680 , 8970 < 780

amd is not heading for high end gpu this time, they cannot..
their flagship : 8990 (as 6990 on the past)
This generation was different. First of all, the 7970 took the crown in most games above 1080p (2560 x 1440 and multi-monitor), which is where it flexes its muscles the most. It has a higher memory bandwidth, higher GPU GFLOPS, much much better compute. It trades that off with power, temperatures, and noise, of course.

We're not even talking about the GHz edition, which flat out beats the 680 in most games even at 1080p.

The GHz edition mainly shows what the 7970 GPU can do @1000MHz+, slightly above its 925MHz clock, where it is already within few % point of the 680 in the games it loses to it.

Do remember that before 2006, ATI graphics cards were on top (7000 series days), as I remember. Since then, they're been playing catch-up to Nvidia at the high-end. Their prices were fantastic throughout, and they've been continuously improving their drivers. This gen, they had the upper hand.

Let's not forget the 3-month advantage AMD enjoyed this gen as they knocked out the 7950/7970 at the start of the year, while it took Nvidia 3 more months to get out their 680.

The 680 is a great power-efficient GAMING card. However, it has crippled compute performance and its sweet-spot is 1080p for the most part. It has almost the same memory bandwidth as the GTX580, where the 7970 has 25%+ mem bandwidth.

Things aren't that clear cut anymore.
   
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Default 01-08-2013, 08:53 | posts: 3,713

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yadayadayada
He only cared about GCN2.
Did you even look at the screenshot you're posting?




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Default 01-08-2013, 10:23 | posts: 497

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This generation was different. First of all, the 7970 took the crown in most games above 1080p (2560 x 1440 and multi-monitor), which is where it flexes its muscles the most. It has a higher memory bandwidth, higher GPU GFLOPS, much much better compute. It trades that off with power, temperatures, and noise, of course.

We're not even talking about the GHz edition, which flat out beats the 680 in most games even at 1080p.

The GHz edition mainly shows what the 7970 GPU can do @1000MHz+, slightly above its 925MHz clock, where it is already within few % point of the 680 in the games it loses to it.

Do remember that before 2006, ATI graphics cards were on top (7000 series days), as I remember. Since then, they're been playing catch-up to Nvidia at the high-end. Their prices were fantastic throughout, and they've been continuously improving their drivers. This gen, they had the upper hand.

Let's not forget the 3-month advantage AMD enjoyed this gen as they knocked out the 7950/7970 at the start of the year, while it took Nvidia 3 more months to get out their 680.

The 680 is a great power-efficient GAMING card. However, it has crippled compute performance and its sweet-spot is 1080p for the most part. It has almost the same memory bandwidth as the GTX580, where the 7970 has 25%+ mem bandwidth.

Things aren't that clear cut anymore.
with latest performance 310.90 drivers, even 7970ghz can't keep up with gtx680.

12.11 b11 are not saving 7000series anymore
   
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