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Default More info on Windows Blue - 12-27-2012, 07:31 | posts: 21,323 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Even though Windows 8 has only been on the market for a short time we already know Microsoft is hard at work on the next version of the OS. The project is codenamed "Windows Blue" and is e...

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Default 12-27-2012, 08:49 | posts: 1,491 | Location: Warsaw, Poland

I'm not sure what to think about such "disclosure" - basically anyone could make it up and post, as there are no details except for "version numbers", and all the general information could be told a year ago.
   
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I'm using an alpha version of Windows Green.

see what i did there???
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 10:54 | posts: 11,304 | Location: Finland

Most of that sounds good, but I'm not sure about this one yet...

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debuting a new yearly update cycle for Microsoft's OS.
If they are going to sell upgrade to next OS for $15 or so then I suppose it might be fine, but I kinda liked this current theme and not upgrade every year a bit, but take few years and make bigger upgrade to OS. This yearly upgrade stuff reminds me about some other company who also makes operating systems for their own computers and phones, cant be bothered to remember what the name of that company was.
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 11:10 | posts: 303 | Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

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Most of that sounds good, but I'm not sure about this one yet...


If they are going to sell upgrade to next OS for $15 or so then I suppose it might be fine, but I kinda liked this current theme and not upgrade every year a bit, but take few years and make bigger upgrade to OS. This yearly upgrade stuff reminds me about some other company who also makes operating systems for their own computers and phones, cant be bothered to remember what the name of that company was.
Is it the Annoying Orange ??

   
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if they fix the metro ui, i will get it
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 19:34 | posts: 4,281 | Location: MI, USA

I really wish they'd drop the whole being good for both tablets and desktops at the same time thing.
   
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If they are going to sell upgrade to next OS for $15 or so then I suppose it might be fine, but I kinda liked this current theme and not upgrade every year a bit, but take few years and make bigger upgrade to the OS.
Sounds kinda like what Apple does with their OS as of recently every year there is a new OSX out.
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 19:57 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

After using Windows 8 for a while, there are things I love and hate about the "Metro UI" on my desktop. I like how I can have some of the Metro apps which are useful for things like mail, but I still think that Microsoft could have done this better and only activate the Start Screen if it detects a touch panel.

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Default 12-27-2012, 20:49 | posts: 5,632 | Location: BC, Canada

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After using Windows 8 for a while, there are things I love and hate about the "Metro UI" on my desktop. I like how I can have some of the Metro apps which are useful for things like mail, but I still think that Microsoft could have done this better and only activate the Start Screen if it detects a touch panel.

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Anyone who uses Windows 8 whether they like it or not I'm sure will admit MS could have done many things better... maybe people who like it may be a bit more tough to convince, but it seems fairly obvious to most computer users that I've spoken with at least. Sounds to me like most users have some beef with it big or small..

I personally don't use it because I find it clumsy and most of the "improvements" are unnecessary. Seems like MS finally has gotten to that point where they are making changes nobody asked for and trying to sell it like its new and impoved where its anything but.

Just hoping that the next iteration will feature some point to upgrade with some actual productive changes/updates to the os. Win 8 makes me feel the same way I do about Iphone 5.. which to me is not much of an upgrade over Iphone 4s.
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 20:54 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

I don't think a lot of people especially companies are going to like the idea of yearly upgrades. I still know a lot of companies having issues migrating to 7 and still stuck on XP because their in-house software just won't run on 7 properly without a significant re-write, especially if they are designed poorly.

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Default 12-27-2012, 20:59 | posts: 5,632 | Location: BC, Canada

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I don't think a lot of people especially companies are going to like the idea of yearly upgrades. I still know a lot of companies having issues migrating to 7 and still stuck on XP because their in-house software just won't run on 7 properly without a significant re-write, especially if they are designed poorly.

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Indeed I am finding this all the time.. particularly when it comes to SQL and database/client incompatibility.. either you stick with Xp or you Upgrade to server 2008+ and windows 7.. this however can be extremely costly so companies tend to shy away from the expense. Yet at the same time their network environment and software ages day by day and sooner or later starts to degrade and can't handle the load.. see it all the time... and I am only talking SQL, not even mentioned the litany of other customized apps that companies could potentially be running..
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 20:59 | posts: 446 | Location: Upstate NY

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I don't think a lot of people especially companies are going to like the idea of yearly upgrades. I still know a lot of companies having issues migrating to 7 and still stuck on XP because their in-house software just won't run on 7 properly without a significant re-write, especially if they are designed poorly.

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I can't speak for most companies but for my company I would definitely jump on board with yearly updates. The problem with OS's for me is that they are so spread out and so different that it takes forever to test everything and every work flow since there are so many changes. With yearly updates things would happen a bit slower, with less differences from version to version, less of an upset to the overall workflow. It would allow me to keep up to date without having to dedicate as much time as I do to OS upgrades.
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 21:03 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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Indeed I am finding this all the time.. particularly when it comes to SQL and database/client incompatibility.. either you stick with Xp or you Upgrade to server 2008+ and windows 7.. this however can be extremely costly so companies tend to shy away from the expense. Yet at the same time their network environment and software ages day by day and sooner or later starts to degrade and can't handle the load.. see it all the time... and I am only talking SQL, not even mentioned the litany of other customized apps that companies could potentially be running..
Ya, from experience, it's the DB backend that causes an issue. Rarely is it running the actual front-end being the issue.

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I can't speak for most companies but for my company I would definitely jump on board with yearly updates. The problem with OS's for me is that they are so spread out and so different that it takes forever to test everything and every work flow since there are so many changes. With yearly updates things would happen a bit slower, with less differences from version to version, less of an upset to the overall workflow. It would allow me to keep up to date without having to dedicate as much time as I do to OS upgrades.
That might depend on how significant the changes Microsoft is going to make and depends on the company. There are many factors that will factor into a company's willingness to upgrade. They also have to factor in the cost.

Plus, if companies, especially upper management don't see any difference, they won't budget these yearly upgrades if they cost money because to them, if Microsoft keeps the Windows 8 branding, they'd be wondering why they need to pay for a minor upgrade and rather skip it. These corporate brass don't know that there will be changes underneath.

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I don't think a lot of people especially companies are going to like the idea of yearly upgrades. I still know a lot of companies having issues migrating to 7 and still stuck on XP because their in-house software just won't run on 7 properly without a significant re-write, especially if they are designed poorly.

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Agreed, and it should be hellish for MS too, updating so many operative systems.
   
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if they give me back my Desktop and let me disable this metro or what they call it now I might be interested. Win 8 was 2 steps backwards for desktops usability and easy, 1 step forward for touchscreen os. As far as i concerned
   
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tbh men, an im sure most w8 user wil agree, they need to got rid of the desktop completly and it wil make things easyer. if they do this it will be a step in right direftion an a definete buy from me, if they put start menu back i dont want it, we want plane stylist interface that is fast with easy access just liek metro is now they just need to add more colors
   
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tbh men, an im sure most w8 user wil agree, they need to got rid of the desktop completly and it wil make things easyer. if they do this it will be a step in right direftion an a definete buy from me, if they put start menu back i dont want it, we want plane stylist interface that is fast with easy access just liek metro is now they just need to add more colors
I see, that way they capture all the ADD & ADHD crowd at the same time alienating the base that brought them to the show. The more things change, the more things remain the same.
   
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Default 12-28-2012, 04:25 | posts: 3,509 | Location: USA

I tried Win8 and i hated it, and all the people i talk to that tried it hated it. And the people that barely knew how to use win7 and earlier hated even more. So for me unless I get my Desktop back, and can remove/disable this Tablet/Phone UI bs i want nothing to do it
   
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I tried Win8 and i hated it, and all the people i talk to that tried it hated it. And the people that barely knew how to use win7 and earlier hated even more. So for me unless I get my Desktop back, and can remove/disable this Tablet/Phone UI bs i want nothing to do it
You do get the desktop in Windows 8...

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You do get the desktop in Windows 8...

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ok let me rephrase i know there is desktop. Start bar is missing it not the first thing to popup. and things are missing from it.

Win8 is no faster then Win7 its give you the illusion it faster. Besdies the people that barely know how to use win7 and before, are gona be the hardest people to sell this phone/tablet style os too. Considering those people are problem the same that barely know how to use the phones.
   
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Default 12-28-2012, 06:58 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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ok let me rephrase i know there is desktop. Start bar is missing it not the first thing to popup. and things are missing from it.

Win8 is no faster then Win7 its give you the illusion it faster. Besdies the people that barely know how to use win7 and before, are gona be the hardest people to sell this phone/tablet style os too. Considering those people are problem the same that barely know how to use the phones.
If you have an SSD, it's faster as the kernel has been optimized for that.

While I do miss the Start button and menu, personally I can live without that. After using the final copy of Windows 8 for a while, I noticed that I don't really miss either since I use the Windows key on my keyboard anyways and the fact that the search function is better on Windows 8 (in terms of usability).

As for relearning Windows, I understand that this is going to be painful and do agree with it.

You don't have to upgrade if you don't but I can say, it's better than my initial thoughts of the OS based on pre-release builds. 3 of 4 desktops in my house now runs Windows 8 Pro and no one has complained, even my parents who are technologically inept.

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Default 12-28-2012, 07:22 | posts: 3,509 | Location: USA

im sure it is, but the old addage if it anit broke dont fix it comes to mind, The old desktop was not broke didnt not need fixing or things removed from it. They pulled this cause they feel threated by iphone and Andriod OS Which are for mobile/touch devices. A PC is not mobile devices and 99% sure as hell are not touch.

Soon as MS pulls that stick out of there ass and give back the start bar and Makes it so Metro ui or what ever they call can be disabled, And just show the desktop. I all a boarded. Till then i wont touch it, nor will i recommand it to anyone that can barely use Win7 or there phones. It one thing to learn a new os it another to try to explain it to the people that already barely know win7 and earlier.


Like i said Win8 is a 1 step forward for Touchscreen stuff. 2 steps back for desktops useability and ease.
   
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Default 12-28-2012, 07:35 | posts: 518 | Location: Wales

Sorry to say it but, it's obvious that Desktop PCs will one day die a slow and horrible death.

As tec gets smaller and cheaper Desktops will be phased out.

The future will be Mac like all in one systems that will be cheap and throw away.

The end of desktops will come when mice and keyboards are no longer needed.

This day is closer than you think.
   
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