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Intel likely to figure a way to keep LGA design for CPUs
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Default Intel likely to figure a way to keep LGA design for CPUs - 12-22-2012, 07:58 | posts: 21,102 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Commenting on Intel's reported plans of abandoning CPU socket designs and changing to directly soldered CPUs after two years, Asustek Computer vice president and general manager of motherboard/deskto...

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Default 12-22-2012, 12:10 | posts: 149 | Location: Portugal

The plan is on track and people are getting dumber, and are starting to not know, something as simple as placing a cpu on a socket, too bad the world didn't end lol (about diy market decline)
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 01:44 | posts: 90 | Location: Florida USA

Even if it's a meant to be a "soldered" cpu, it has to have contacts on its surface somewhere, so I don't see the problem. Mobo mfrs. can make sockets for just about anything, I imagine. LGA was made because they wanted the CPU to be able to be either soldered using surface mount technology or socketed, so wikipedia says.

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Default 12-23-2012, 02:26 | posts: 3,534 | Location: Wooing whilst wearing only socks.

1000+ pin count BGA sockets have been around for a long time in ATE. Nothing new here.

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Default 12-23-2012, 04:55 | posts: 4,267 | Location: MI, USA

Wont that kill off the the makers like evga, gigabyte, etc? They'd have to make a mobo with the cpu already soldered on and make multiple of the same one with cpu variations.
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 05:20 | posts: 7,123 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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Wont that kill off the the makers like evga, gigabyte, etc? They'd have to make a mobo with the cpu already soldered on and make multiple of the same one with cpu variations.
The idea here is that there won't be CPU variations, just motherboard ones. CPU features will be software unlocked by paying for codes. Intel is at the point now where they can make processors at an insanely high yield. They no longer really have a need for binning.

Most people here will hate this because it's simply not what they are used to. I, on the other hand, like it. I don't think there's every been a time where I dropped a new CPU on to my older motherboard. Having the CPU integrated allows for kinds of new cooling options on both sides of the motherboard. It technically lowers the cost which should be passed to consumers. It also increases the durability of the chip as a soldered connection is obviously a lot better than just contact. It allows for all kinds of different internal designs because no longer have to worry about pin configurations. Also chances are software unlocking will be hacked so you'll be able to unlock your $100 CPU to a $1000 one for free -- at least in the past everything has been hacked at some point :p
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 09:40 | posts: 4,846 | Location: London

You could say that's case in point with mine, basically a 980X with a Xeon badge on it.
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 15:01 | posts: 1,835

oh thank God, now our cpus will come with drm to stop piracy
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 15:20 | posts: 18,515 | Location: New Jersey, USA

If they do BGA and LGA, I do not see a problem here.
   
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Default 12-23-2012, 16:23 | posts: 5,839 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

I thought Intel already killed the rumor and said they weren't abandoning LGA? At least for the time being.
   
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Default 12-24-2012, 10:56 | posts: 1,571

Great so now we can use utorrent to download unlocking features for cpus !!!! I love it bring it on intel muahahahahhaha hehe
   
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Default 12-24-2012, 17:36 | posts: 19,054 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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I thought Intel already killed the rumor and said they weren't abandoning LGA? At least for the time being.
Intel stated that only the high end ones will be socketed, they didn't say that their entire line will be socketed.

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Default 12-24-2012, 17:40 | posts: 4,362 | Location: Spain

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The idea here is that there won't be CPU variations, just motherboard ones. CPU features will be software unlocked by paying for codes. Intel is at the point now where they can make processors at an insanely high yield. They no longer really have a need for binning.

Most people here will hate this because it's simply not what they are used to. I, on the other hand, like it. I don't think there's every been a time where I dropped a new CPU on to my older motherboard. Having the CPU integrated allows for kinds of new cooling options on both sides of the motherboard. It technically lowers the cost which should be passed to consumers. It also increases the durability of the chip as a soldered connection is obviously a lot better than just contact. It allows for all kinds of different internal designs because no longer have to worry about pin configurations. Also chances are software unlocking will be hacked so you'll be able to unlock your $100 CPU to a $1000 one for free -- at least in the past everything has been hacked at some point :p
and most important one, they get rid of crappy connectors, there have been many problems and limitations because of connectors.

Anyways if it's like you said, piracy, there we go...
   
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Default 12-26-2012, 09:48 | posts: 366 | Location: Lithuania

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and most important one, they get rid of crappy connectors, there have been many problems and limitations because of connectors.

Anyways if it's like you said, piracy, there we go...
In my life, i have never ever had problems with CPU connectors, i had problems with RAM, pci slots because of oxidation, but not with CPU socket or pins . You stating they have limitations - please name them. If i'll accidentally burn my cpu, i'll have to use soldering instead of just easily changing, wasn't socket built for easy cpu handling? I ain't buying xbox, i'm buying computer.
   
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Default 12-26-2012, 14:29 | posts: 2,782 | Location: ∞

Sound like we will be idd downloading processor power soon xD

Stupid choice imho..
   
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Default 12-26-2012, 14:31 | posts: 7,123 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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In my life, i have never ever had problems with CPU connectors, i had problems with RAM, pci slots because of oxidation, but not with CPU socket or pins . You stating they have limitations - please name them. If i'll accidentally burn my cpu, i'll have to use soldering instead of just easily changing, wasn't socket built for easy cpu handling? I ain't buying xbox, i'm buying computer.
As far as burning your CPU goes, that's really hard to do now in days with all the throttling they have. I've run machines without coolers at all, the CPU simply shuts itself down. Also motherboards are becoming dumber and dumber. Pretty much everything is integrated onto the CPU at this point, the motherboard is basically becoming a giant switch. When this inevitable push towards integrated CPU's does come, I bet the price of the motherboard at that point will be nil. So cost wise it won't really even matter, only issue would be having to re-seat everything on the board which could be annoying but whatever. Benefits far outweigh the cons in my opinion.
   
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Default 12-27-2012, 10:35 | posts: 366 | Location: Lithuania

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As far as burning your CPU goes, that's really hard to do now in days with all the throttling they have. I've run machines without coolers at all, the CPU simply shuts itself down. Also motherboards are becoming dumber and dumber. Pretty much everything is integrated onto the CPU at this point, the motherboard is basically becoming a giant switch. When this inevitable push towards integrated CPU's does come, I bet the price of the motherboard at that point will be nil. So cost wise it won't really even matter, only issue would be having to re-seat everything on the board which could be annoying but whatever. Benefits far outweigh the cons in my opinion.
But do you realize how many motherboard options has to be made to allow users to choose what they need? For example i want mid-range motherboard with top of the line processor. You think they will produce these things? oh no, they will produce top of the line motherboards with top of the line processors and plus they will increase the prices instead of decreasing. Well, you'll see, nothing happens without a reason, company never ever let you save your money letting themselves losing it. If you think it's win win, i doubt it.
   
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Default 12-28-2012, 02:28 | posts: 3,809 | Location: Sweden

not a big deal guys...

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But do you realize how many motherboard options has to be made to allow users to choose what they need? For example i want mid-range motherboard with top of the line processor. You think they will produce these things? oh no, they will produce top of the line motherboards with top of the line processors and plus they will increase the prices instead of decreasing. Well, you'll see, nothing happens without a reason, company never ever let you save your money letting themselves losing it. If you think it's win win, i doubt it.
Except they said their top-end CPUs will still be offered the way they are today, not soldered.
   
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Default 12-28-2012, 17:09 | posts: 366 | Location: Lithuania

We'll see.
   
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Default 01-17-2013, 16:29 | posts: 5,839 | Location: Tacoma, Washington

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Intel stated that only the high end ones will be socketed, they didn't say that their entire line will be socketed.

deltatux
If you read the article again, it makes it sound as if they're abandoning LGA for the whole lineup (including high end). The way its worded is a bit misleading. I already know that they're keeping LGA for the high end market, as per my quote.
   
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Default 01-17-2013, 19:39 | posts: 3,409 | Location: USA

i dont have problem with that, seeing I always hated the fact pins are now on the Motherboard and not the CPU atlest when it was on the cpu bent pin were not as huge as an issue as they are on currently (pins the go in holes vs pin that have to touch back of cpu). Though I could see this as cost ineffective for diy when the motherboard dies or is faulty and need to pay for new motherboard and cpu instead of just a motherboard
   
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The idea is that Intel embraces the concept of system on a chip even more to the point that motherboard and graphics card manufacturers aren't needed anymore. Everything that once was on the MB and on the graphics card will end up on the chip. So those guys would have no way to differentiate their products. As a customer you would only have the choices what Intel offers you. So, I can understand that both consumers and the industry don't like that route.
   
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The idea is that Intel embraces the concept of system on a chip even more to the point that motherboard and graphics card manufacturers aren't needed anymore. Everything that once was on the MB and on the graphics card will end up on the chip. So those guys would have no way to differentiate their products. As a customer you would only have the choices what Intel offers you. So, I can understand that both consumers and the industry don't like that route.
that wont happen anytime soon almost all integrated gpu on motherboard & cpu are all trash integrated gpu & dedicated gpu arnt even in the same category of performance. putting cpu and motherboard as one is realistic change not gpu.
   
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Default 01-17-2013, 21:00 | posts: 1,315

One of the things MBs did was provide stable voltage. The new generation CPUs is less dependent on that, because Intel wants to move that part to the CPU. I.e., the CPU wants to have control over what it can power up or down and how it behaves, in order to shut down some parts of the CPU when not required. That will save energy for mobile devices, but it is less of an issue for the desktop CPUs we are using. And it will be one of the few things MB manufacturers were able to do. They could differentiate their products. Now those features are getting harder and harder.

Although we do see MB manufactures getting more creative, by expanding PCIe-lanes and adding high speed SATA3 ports (with the same speed as those provided by Intel). Didn't Asrock show an extreme MB during CES 2013 like that? It seems that it will be harder to differentiate, but it looks like they find a way. But it would be harder for some of them. And thus these will drop out. So Intel has to keep them alive. I think that's what the article means to say.

Also see this: Intel Haswell processor design may cause motherboard players to exit market.

The article linked by the OP was Intel's (indirect) reaction on articles like in the link above.

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