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Default Windows 8/RT tablets hard to sell - 12-14-2012, 12:31 | posts: 20,797 | Location: Guru3D testlab

Based on sales performance since Windows 8 was launched in late October, Windows 8/RT tablets are difficult to sell due to higher prices than those for Android tablets and insufficient available appli...

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Default 12-14-2012, 12:39 | posts: 6,964 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

These tablets have nothing going for them other than build quality. The specs on paper are last generation, the OS has no app support, and the tablet is priced higher than the competition.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 13:28 | posts: 6,559

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These tablets have nothing going for them other than build quality. The specs on paper are last generation, the OS has no app support, and the tablet is priced higher than the competition.
They need to come down 100 dollars or so, throw in the touch cover for free, and start selling them at all kinds of retail locations.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 13:39 | posts: 2,106 | Location: far,far from home

microsoft needs a grip of the actual recession,people are not having enough money for food.
   
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GG Microsoft.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 13:59 | posts: 2,872 | Location: The Freak Show - Earth.

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Windows 8/RT tablets are difficult to sell due to higher prices than those for Android tablets and insufficient available applications.
Ya think! Anyone with half a braincell must have seen this coming. If ya want a real tablet, get a 'Samsung Galaxy note 10.1'.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 15:25 | posts: 6,559

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Ya think! Anyone with half a braincell must have seen this coming. If ya want a real tablet, get a 'Samsung Galaxy note 10.1'.
wat.

Given the existence of the Nexus 10, who in their right mind would get a Galaxy Note 10.1

The only thing the note 10.1 has going for it is the stylus, and that feature will cost you 100 extra dollars, two revisions of Android (Note 10.1 is on 4.0, Nexus is on 4.2), and about half the pixels (2560x1600 vs 1280x800).
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 16:06 | posts: 1,016 | Location: Somewhere in Scotland

The Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet is ok for watching films on, even with those specs, IPlayNaked.
Got a few ripped films and a whole load of my favourite YouTube vids loaded, and they look great.
But what else would a true-blue Samsung fanboy say?
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 19:08 | posts: 204 | Location: Quebec, Canada

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These tablets have nothing going for them other than build quality. The specs on paper are last generation, the OS has no app support, and the tablet is priced higher than the competition.
Actually it's a litle bit less expensive than the new iPad.

Curently in canada the 32GB new iPad is 560$ CAD without 4g and 690$ with 4g.

Curently the Surface 32GB in canada is 520$ CAD without the touch cover and 620$ with touch cover.

But it's really funny to see MS fans saying it's an okay price when they laughed at Apple hardware being overpriced for years XD.

Both tablets are overpriced imo. Less expensive tablets are good enough and if you really want to work and are ready to spent that much money (600$+) then a good Ultrabook convertible will probably be a better option imo.

I've never been a fan of one size fit all. If i want a tablet i'm gobba buy a tablet (400$ and less). If i want a laptop i'm gonna buy a laptop and spend the required money for something good to work with.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 19:15 | posts: 6,664 | Location: Dubai

Not to forget the 32GB surface is in reality a 16GB.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 19:26 | posts: 5,457 | Location: Switzerland

I dont know, the RT version is not even sold everywhere, they will be on shop tomorrow only in France and i think it is same in switzerland. ( dont know on other european country )


its hard to compare the price on the x86 version, as they are on a different tier of Ios / Android tablet. Second problem is they face the Hybrid laptop/tablet touchscreen with windows 8 .

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Default 12-14-2012, 21:32 | posts: 2,872 | Location: The Freak Show - Earth.

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wat.

Given the existence of the Nexus 10, who in their right mind would get a Galaxy Note 10.1

The only thing the note 10.1 has going for it is the stylus, and that feature will cost you 100 extra dollars, two revisions of Android (Note 10.1 is on 4.0, Nexus is on 4.2), and about half the pixels (2560x1600 vs 1280x800).
And your point is? Half the resolution, yes, but pixel density is what will help make that resolution effective overall.

And the Galaxy Note is as high-end and feature packed as ****, and being offered for a competitive price, and the stylus and the software have been well integrated to work together.


I really am failing to see your point here...
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 22:25 | posts: 6,964 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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And your point is? Half the resolution, yes, but pixel density is what will help make that resolution effective overall.

And the Galaxy Note is as high-end and feature packed as ****, and being offered for a competitive price, and the stylus and the software have been well integrated to work together.


I really am failing to see your point here...
You made it sound as if the Galaxy Note 10.1 is the end all be all of tablets. His point is that it's not, if you had to chose the Nexus 10 is a significantly better choice.

First of all you realize they are both 10 inch tablets right? So the Nexus 10 at double the resolution also has double the pixel density?

Second the Nexus 10 has a significantly faster GPU which despite having to drive double the resolution outperforms every android tablet.

So his point is someone with half a braincell would probably pick the Nexus 10 over the surface and not the note.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 22:45 | posts: 2,599 | Location: Australia

If they were priced at $20 i would still get an android tablet if i was after a tablet. Something that is useless to me isn't going to be worth much.
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 22:48 | posts: 5,457 | Location: Switzerland

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You made it sound as if the Galaxy Note 10.1 is the end all be all of tablets. His point is that it's not, if you had to chose the Nexus 10 is a significantly better choice.

First of all you realize they are both 10 inch tablets right? So the Nexus 10 at double the resolution also has double the pixel density?

Second the Nexus 10 has a significantly faster GPU which despite having to drive double the resolution outperforms every android tablet.

So his point is someone with half a braincell would probably pick the Nexus 10 over the surface and not the note.
or wait the next Samsung tab..
   
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Default 12-14-2012, 23:35 | posts: 4,125 | Location: NorCal

I really like the specs of the surface pro running actual windows programs as opposed to apps but the price is way too high. Might as well buy a new laptop with touchscreen.
   
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Default 12-15-2012, 01:45 | posts: 4,246 | Location: MI, USA

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or wait the next Samsung tab..
Or you could just wait for the next Nexus 10. So whats your point? I'm smelling an overly attached Samsung fanboy right here.
   
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Default 12-15-2012, 03:52 | posts: 1,279 | Location: Pennsylvania

Not a surprise because the Surface is 500 bucks which is double that of Samsung Galaxy 2 tablet. And the pro version is going to be close to 1000 bucks which equals a laptop.

To me MS was in the same mind set when they first released the original Xbox with the big huge controller to us Americans. At that time period they thought that the majority of gamers were 6'4 or 6'5 or so. Now MS thinks that majority of tablet users are apart of the 1% which are the rich people.

Come on MS get your act together if you want to be a success in the tablet market.

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Default 12-15-2012, 03:54 | posts: 2,667 | Location: Ohio

Just a minor correction, the Nexus 10 has quadruple the pixel density of the Note 10.1. For every pixel on the Note, there are 4 on the Nexus. It really is a great tablet, the Nexus 10. Definitely the best 10" Android tablet on the market.

As for the Windows 8 and RT tablets, it's all down to cost and recognition by consumers. At the given price points, people look at other things in similar price points and tend to go with the thing which is familiar and well received, that is to say iPads (for the price) and traditional laptops. Otherwise, they see the Nexus 7 or Nexus 10 (or other less-expensive Android tablets) and see a similar product for a not-so-similar price and are left scratching their heads as to why they should go with Microsoft's tablet when Google's can do email and browsing for half the cost.
   
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Default 12-16-2012, 01:59 | posts: 687 | Location: The Frozen North.

I'm not touching Windows 8 or Windows RT with a ten foot pole.

Windows 8 is basically Windows 7 without the start button, start menu, desktop widgets, or Aero. Why the fack would I want that? Yeah yeah, it starts up "faster." But that's only becasue it tricks the user into thinking it's actualy off when it fact it's in a low-power hibernation. And that's only if the motherboard supports UEFI. So, fark no. Do not want!

Windows 7 is an ARM OS masquerading as Windows that can't run x86/64 apps. Oh, and no start menu, desktop mode is virtualy useless, and the dam things are overpriced and not even available in retail yet! Why the hell would I want that instead of Android?

And just to add insult to injury, Windows 8 is really just the tick in a tick-tock cycle. I'll bet you dimes to doughnuts that Windows 9 will basically be WIndows 8 Second Edition: All the mistakes and idiocy that was pounded and slapped into Windows 8 will be re-done and cleaned up for Windows 9. And who, knows, maybe Microsoft will pull it's head out of it's rectum by than and restore the freaking Start menu? I doubt it's but here's hoping.
   
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Default 12-16-2012, 05:51 | posts: 361 | Location: Lithuania

I won't touch this thing also. But strange that microsoft don't realize, that people like quality. I think instead of thinking they are too busy while spending company profits ;D Or Asia workers want more money, and did it on purpose;D joke*
btw respect TheSarge
   
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Others should be like me only use any windows os for games, and for everything else use linux :-) whola problem solved
   
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Default 12-16-2012, 14:32 | posts: 3,928 | Location: Finland

galaxy tab note 10.1 sure is a good tablet. tho i got it for drawing stuff and it fares really really well there being proper wacom stylus and whatnot. fun stuff really, it's like working my drawing tablet but with a screen \o/ now next buy is drawing display thing they just cost arm and a leg
   
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Default 12-16-2012, 19:15 | posts: 6,722 | Location: Bristol, UK

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Or you could just wait for the next Nexus 10. So whats your point? I'm smelling an overly attached Samsung fanboy right here.
Yup Galaxy Note is not close to the Nexus 10 spec wise.

Windows RT seems to just be a poor version of the Android/iOS market, Windows 8 may have potential here though, but price needs to come down

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Default 12-17-2012, 06:22 | posts: 79

The rotten win8 touch screen interface wouldn't help sales. Without easy access to menus in recent Windows versions it leaves the inexperienced scratching their heads and more than a little frustrated. Customers bring me Win 8 systems just asking how to do simple functions they could easily access on earlier windows products like XP and before.

Hiding menus and not having a simple arrow you can move over that pops up a description is rather unintuitive and should have been implemented at least or a quick access navigation menu that pops up with the click or press of a button.

People can work things out themselves if at least they have a few buttons or interface icons they can experiment with to discover their functions. Continuing to remove or hide interface navigation menus, buttons and other GUI elements frustrates users and greatly steepens their learning curve. Bad design choices M$!
   
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