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Intelís Haswell Could Be Last Interchangeable Desktop Microprocessors - Report.
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Default Intelís Haswell Could Be Last Interchangeable Desktop Microprocessors - Report. - 11-27-2012, 02:12 | posts: 2,921 | Location: Philippines

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Intelís Haswell Could Be Last Interchangeable Desktop Microprocessors - Report.

Post-Haswell Chips to Feature BGA Packaging, Set to Be Sold with Mainboards
[11/22/2012 02:22 AM]
by Anton Shilov

As personal computers become smaller, their flexibility is decreasing. According to a media report starting from code-named Broadwell generation of processors, Intel Corp. will only offer mainstream desktop chips in BGA packaging, which will eliminate upgrade options as well as increase risks for PC makers.

Both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices supply two different desktop platforms these days, making a very clear difference between mainstream and high-end desktop. Still, mainstream PCs with simplistic processors may easily be upgraded with very fast processors thanks to the fact that the chips are interchangeable and come in the same LGA1155 form-factor. Unfortunately, the ease of upgrade may come to an end in two years as starting from Broadwell generation of central processing units (CPUs) mainstream chips will cease to use land grid array (LGA) and micro pin grid array (ĶPGA) packages and will only be available in in ball grid array (BGA) form-factors, just like Intel Atom processors.

According to Japanese PC Watch web-site, code-named Haswell microprocessors may be the last desktop chips in LGA packaging, which enabled easy switch of CPUs on mainboards. Starting from Broadwell chips, which are due in 2014, all mainstream desktop processors will be available in BGA packaging, which means that they will have to be soldered to mainboards, something that can be done in relatively sophisticated manufacturing facilities. Due to the market trends towards low-power microprocessors, Intel will offer various Broadwell multi-chip modules Ė which will contain Broadwell CPUs with integrated memory controller, graphics core, etc. and Wildcat Point input/output controllers Ė with various thermal design power envelopes, e.g., 10W, 15W and 47W/57W, according to the report.

The BGA MCMs should provide advantages to makers of high-performance tablets, ultra-thin notebooks as well as all-in-one desktops as ball grid array packaging ensure small footprint. However, when it comes to fully-fledged desktops, BGA means that system makers will have to keep a large amount of different mainboards with various features and dissimilar microprocessors in order to provide the right choices for their clients. Such stockpiling increases business risks to smaller makers and decreases abilities to differentiate for mainboard makers.

While mainstream chips will reportedly be only supplied in BGA form-factors soldered to mainboards, which eliminates upgrade possibility, it is likely that high-end desktop (HEDT) platforms will still be supplied in LGA packaging. What remains to be seen is how expensive will such chips be. For example, at present the most affordable LGA2011 HEDT chip costs $294, whereas the most expensive performance-mainstream LGA1155 processor costs $332. In case upgradeable platforms remain on the HEDTís price levels of today, that will essentially mean the end of upgrades of the mainstream PCs.

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Default 11-27-2012, 02:31 | posts: 9,775 | Location: UK

I didnt think it would happen this soon.
Hopefully they can think of a better method than LGA1155 before 2014.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 02:44 | posts: 534

Intel always comes up with crap ideas.
I hope amd will rise again and help us from this BGA BS.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:15 | posts: 16,326 | Location: US East Coast

And there's the death of the pc market....


   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:18 | posts: 9,455 | Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha

Isnt the whole idea of a Desktop computer to have interchangeable parts ?

I understand for a laptop but still...... faster connection to move data ???
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:31 | posts: 9,775 | Location: UK

When this happens, the motherboard will simply come with the processor.
You can still add other components and peripherals.

I imagine Intel will revert to an upgrade method they talked about a while back, using codes to determine the CPUs performance.
If you pay more you can start off with a faster CPU or upgrade later.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:34 | posts: 9,775 | Location: UK

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Intel always comes up with crap ideas.
Its not so much a crap idea, but a way of avoiding bad contacts with very small contact points.
Its possible they can avoid having to do it if a new method of reliably connecting the motherboard and CPU are developed that doesnt result in easy accidental damage.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:37 | posts: 19,055 | Location: Toronto, Canada

They just single handedly killed the desktop and enthusiast markets if they do this across the board. It makes sense in the low-end, low power market segments, but not mid-range and up.

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Intels making the wrong move....they will sink themselves.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:43 | posts: 4,837 | Location: Malta

This doesn't make sense at all.

I'll believe it when I see it happen, maybe what they mean to say is that 'broadwell' will come in BGA packages for certain applications, considering they would still have to deliver socketed parts for servers.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 03:47 | posts: 2,379 | Location: Ohio

If this happens it will go a long ways towards shooting the little guy (like me) right between the eyes. People won't bring me a computer for an upgrade if no upgrade path is available... they will instead go to Best Buy and get a brand new one. That person will spend more money over time and I won't have anything either.
   
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I only see this happening for their lower end processors.
   
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They just single handedly killed the desktop and enthusiast markets if they do this across the board. It makes sense in the low-end, low power market segments, but not mid-range and up.

deltatux
According to rumor, it will affect "mainstream" and lower....not the high-end market. Of course, if Intel releases Haswell on a new socket, it will piss customers off when they dump money into Haswell just to have no upgrade path later.


   
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Default 11-27-2012, 04:28 | posts: 4,249 | Location: MI, USA

I... I may kill myself if they take away my interchangeable processors. This better not happen right now.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 04:33 | posts: 871

This is the worst news i have ever seen on my internet feed. Thanks as i pray to god this doesnt happen, if anything the video card compaines need to go socket....not intel doing the reverse....whats next? computers with integrated memory? with what 1-2 options? **** that dude. i am out and will never buy a pc part ever, and will tell everyone to just boycott tech and go outside and enjoy the lives that god gave us anyways.
   
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Default 11-27-2012, 04:41 | posts: 534

^yea. That's better idea.
'go green' ...
Leave ur pc buy a BGA ultrathin laptop and live in amazon with monkey-tarzans.
That is intel's moto.

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They just single handedly killed the desktop and enthusiast markets if they do this across the board. It makes sense in the low-end, low power market segments, but not mid-range and up.

deltatux
totally agree. Even if they do BGA crap in midrange cpus then they will ruin themselves.
Cause, still amd has good cpus in that segment.

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ASUS i7570K-Pro8 TOP
4Ghz Quad core (overclocked out fo the box!)
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boxes would feel/look liek video card boxes D:
   
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Heh, probably why Otellini plans to bail out on May 2013. =b
And for some reason I'm getting flashback of Pentium II processors...




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Default 11-27-2012, 05:22 | posts: 5,592 | Location: PA, USA

Guys if this does happen it won't be as bad as it sounds. We will still have enthusiast boards etc, but they will come with different performance cpu's directly on them. If it makes things cheaper on the long run, why not?

As long as companies like ASUS, EVGA, MSI, etc keep making the enthusiast boards to go with them it'll be fine.

Sure it sounds crappy, but if it does happen, it won't be as bad as people think.

Not that I want it to.
   
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[quote=viperxtreme;4464199]asus i7570k-pro8 top
4ghz quad core (overclocked out fo the box!)
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boxes would feel/look liek video card boxes d:[/quote

NOOOOOOOOOOOO ...****
   
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Sure it sounds crappy, but if it does happen, it won't be as bad as people think.

Not that I want it to.
Make up your mind.




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guys if this does happen it won't be as bad as it sounds. We will still have enthusiast boards etc, but they will come with different performance cpu's directly on them. If it makes things cheaper on the long run, why not?

As long as companies like asus, evga, msi, etc keep making the enthusiast boards to go with them it'll be fine.

Sure it sounds crappy, but if it does happen, it won't be as bad as people think.

Not that i want it to.
no......and what if i dont have the cash, then 4 months later upgrade....wtf...everything new....wake up AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
   
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there would be custom cooler for the embedded CPU, Direct CU III or Quad Frozr '__'
   
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Its like pc apple.....**** this YAY PC;S ARE TURNING INTO VIDEO CARDS! REASON WHY APPLE AND MAC NEVER MIXED WITH ME. OR ANY OF US. TELL APPLE TO GO BACK TO MOTOROLLA AND TELL INTEL TO GO BACK TO THE PC AND DROP THE BULL****

AND THE VIDEO CARD COMPANIES NEED TO STOP PLAYING WITH EVERYONES ****ING WALLETS ON VIDEO MEMORY IN REFRESH SELLS.....IF THE CHIP SUPPORTS 12GB ON TOP SPEC THEN GIVE US 12GB NOT ****ING 6GB ON A CHIPP @ 500 DOLLAR PRICE POINT THEN RELEASE THE 12GB @ 500 DOLLARS 6-8 MONTHS LATER ONLY FOR THE NEXT NEW GEN WITH FASTER CHIPS AND SLIGHTY MORE MEMORY UPGRADE AGIAN FOR THAT REVISION.....

DAMIT LISTEN TO US...****

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Default 11-27-2012, 05:36 | posts: 970 | Location: Canada

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And there's the death of the pc market....
Has anyone noticed how since 2000-2008 teh world has started going backwards in everything? For e.g. back in the 80s we could travel with 2 bags and smoke in the planes without any issues. And there was ever any issues with that. Nowadays, we cannot do smoke, we can only have 1 bag on the plane (if not even freaking pay $$ for it), and were all pointed as possible terrorists until we go through the scanner... food on board will no longer be free in few years!

And now the PC industry is heading that way too, Pcs are going smaller but not that powerful.. to the contrary, looks like PC performance isnt anymore that big deal, and tablets are more putting the goal on energy efficiency, consumption and portability..
   
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