Razer Synapse 2.0 Used For Always-On Data Mining

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http://www.overclock.net/t/1323093/r...on-data-mining

http://www.overclock.net/t/1319323/r...rvers-are-down

Razer forces you to create an account with them before you can use the software with the mouse. You cant configure the mouse in any way until you make an account with them and activate your computer and account through their server [buttons, DPI, polling rate, set up macros and profiles] If they decide to take down their activation server for any reason, you will never be able to use the software. If you live somewhere without access to internet, you will not be able to activate and use the software. If you work somewhere that has a network behind firewalls, chances are even though you can download the Synapse software, the firewall may also block you from activating and using the software as well.

From the Razer Synapse TOS agreement:

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“User Generated Information” means any information made available to Razer through your use of the Software. Subject to the Privacy Policy mentioned above, you expressly grant Razer the complete and irrevocable right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and perform the User Generated Information and derivative works thereof in any form, anywhere, with or without attribution to you, and without any notice or compensation to you of any kind.

By using Razer Synapse 2.0 (“Synapse”), the Subscriber agrees that Razer may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information. Razer may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Razer shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1323093/r...on-data-mining

http://www.overclock.net/t/1319323/r...rvers-are-down

PhazeDelta1 · 11-04-2012, 23:45 | posts: 9,314 | Location: 90° N

Razer is no worse than Facebook, Google, Youtube or any other company that sells your information.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

Cyberdyne · 11-04-2012, 23:58 | posts: 1,269 | Location: USA, Pennsylvania

I don't know Phaze, yeah those are worse, but mouse DRM?... still sounds bad.
And really stupid.
You know, to catch all those mouse pirates.

Can you use older drivers with these newer mice? I have a 3600dpi Deathadder from well before Synapse came out. I decided not to use it because I only used this mouse on this PC (the 'idea' of the program is to save settings for the mouse to the 'cloud' so it remembers for other PCs you use it on).
But if it is true that on newer mice that you are required to use the software, then I wonder if you can use older drivers without the requirement. I guess obviously if it is a completely new razer mouse that wont be an option...

lucidus · 11-05-2012, 00:07 | posts: 3,154 | Location: UAE

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I wouldn't buy even a mouse pad from them :-/

BLEH! · **Memory**: 24GB @ 1600 @ 9-10-9-27

Death Adder is on it's way out, guess I'll be looking elsewhere for a replacement...

PhazeDelta1 · 11-05-2012, 00:19 | posts: 9,314 | Location: 90° N

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberdyne

I don't know Phaze, yeah those are worse, but mouse DRM?... still sounds bad.
And really stupid.
You know, to catch all those mouse pirates.

Can you use older drivers with these newer mice? I have a 3600dpi Deathadder from well before Synapse came out. I decided not to use it because I only used this mouse on this PC (the 'idea' of the program is to save settings for the mouse to the 'cloud' so it remembers for other PCs you use it on).
But if it is true that on newer mice that you are required to use the software, then I wonder if you can use older drivers without the requirement. I guess obviously if it is a completely new razer mouse that wont be an option...

No. Even the older mice will be getting Synapse 2.0 sooner or later.

Corrupt^ · 11-05-2012, 00:22 | posts: 4,804 | Location: Belgium

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberdyne

I don't know Phaze, yeah those are worse, but mouse DRM?... still sounds bad.
And really stupid.
You know, to catch all those mouse pirates.

Can you use older drivers with these newer mice? I have a 3600dpi Deathadder from well before Synapse came out. I decided not to use it because I only used this mouse on this PC (the 'idea' of the program is to save settings for the mouse to the 'cloud' so it remembers for other PCs you use it on).
But if it is true that on newer mice that you are required to use the software, then I wonder if you can use older drivers without the requirement. I guess obviously if it is a completely new razer mouse that wont be an option...

Mice released before Synapse got released will work fine using the older driver. Though I advise backing up the exe files of those drivers while you can, atm you can still download "archived" drivers at razer support but they'll probably remove those sooner or later.

Mikedogg · 11-05-2012, 00:25 | posts: 2,872 | Location: The Freak Show - Earth.

Well that's Razer off the list.

IPlayNaked · 11-05-2012, 00:39 | posts: 6,559

Every company collects this kind of data. The anonymous "usage habits" and whatnot.

The personally identifiable stuff is information YOU specially enter. E-mail and the like.

If you don't like Synapse, you really don't have to install it.

Corrupt^ · 11-05-2012, 01:10 | posts: 4,804 | Location: Belgium

My main issue with Synapse isn't that they fetch statistics and stuff, it's the fact that you can't even change your DPI while being offline and on top of that the DPI scaling is completely ****ed up unless you use the native DPI on the deathadder.

Not being able to configure your mouse offline... I mean come on seriously.

Cyberdyne · 11-05-2012, 01:45 | posts: 1,269 | Location: USA, Pennsylvania

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPlayNaked

Every company collects this kind of data. The anonymous "usage habits" and whatnot.

The personally identifiable stuff is information YOU specially enter. E-mail and the like.

If you don't like Synapse, you really don't have to install it.

I don't think you read anything. From what I understand is that you will NEED to install it. And as Corrupt pointed out, you will not be able to change settings for the mouse without Synapse connected to the internet. The post on overclock.net has the user complaining that he could not use his mouse drivers because the Synapse servers were overloaded.
It's this stupid crap that you should be outraged about.

Besides, I understand that companies collect this information, it's how they go about it that matters. This is the wrong way.

IPlayNaked · 11-05-2012, 01:47 | posts: 6,559

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberdyne

I don't think you read anything. From what I understand is that you will NEED to install it. And as Corrupt pointed out, you will not be able to change settings for the mouse without Synapse connected to the internet. The post on overclock.net has the user complaining that he could not use his mouse drivers because the Synapse servers were overloaded.
It's this stupid crap that you should be outraged about.

Besides, I understand that companies collect this information, it's how they go about it that matters. This is the wrong way.

The title of the thread is "Always-On Data Mining" not "I can't use my mouse because I'm not online"

Cyberdyne · *Last edited by Cyberdyne; 11-05-2012 at 02:56.*

But... dude cmon don't play dumb. The content of the post say more than the title.

Quote:

You cant configure the mouse in any way until you make an account with them and activate your computer and account through their server [buttons, DPI, polling rate, set up macros and profiles]

It was even bold for you.

I mean hell, even the link says it without even clicking it.
http...razer-synapse-2-0-software-mouse-unusable-if-you-dont-have-an-internet-connection-or-their-servers-are-down

Maybe you are just skeptical. I am too, but if even half of this is true, then I'm glad I got my deathadder when I did.

PhazeDelta1 · *Last edited by PhazeDelta1; 11-05-2012 at 03:42.*

You only need the internet to initially set up your razer account. If you alreadly have an account, then Synapse 2.0 will work with or without it.

Speed Weed · 11-05-2012, 06:12 | posts: 629 | Location: Somewhere in Scotland

So that explains why I get regular spam from sites I'd never heard of before, like 'College Phuckbook,' for example and others along the same sort of lines.

Ven0m · 11-05-2012, 08:54 | posts: 1,035 | Location: Warsaw, Poland

They should just do that as many other companies, for example like Microsoft:

[ ] Join Customer Experience Program - [link]details[/link]

If you think you can help them and you want to do that - you click the checkbox. No controversy, nothing shoved in your throat.

Mufflore · 11-21-2012, 21:09 | posts: 9,519 | Location: UK

It seems Phazedelta is right, he made a video of changing settings with no internet access.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=371312
Thanks Phaze, I didnt want to pull Razer off my recommended suppliers.

CronoGraal · 11-21-2012, 22:45 | posts: 3,424 | Location: Sweden

-chills with his mx518-

Speed Weed · 11-22-2012, 07:42 | posts: 629 | Location: Somewhere in Scotland

Guess this will also apply to the Razer Nostromo Game Controller as well then?

Mufflore · 11-22-2012, 08:02 | posts: 9,519 | Location: UK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed Weed

Guess this will also apply to the Razer Nostromo Game Controller as well then?

See the post 2 above yours.

tsunami231 · 11-22-2012, 18:30 | posts: 2,284 | Location: USA

THat makes no sense to make it required to just to use the software. Though I dont think this will stop someone from finding a way around it. I mean really I need to log in server before I can actually use the software. God forbid internet dies Really stupid idea.

I will stick with my Logitech Deskwave pro setup till it dies. by which time Im sure Logitech will have something even better i will like. I already love in comparison to the MS Keyboard mouse crap i had before

Mufflore · 11-22-2012, 18:35 | posts: 9,519 | Location: UK

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsunami231

THat makes no sense to make it required to just to use the software. Though I dont think this will stop someone from finding a way around it. I mean really I need to log in server before I can actually use the software. God forbid internet dies Really stupid idea.

I will stick with my Logitech Deskwave pro setup till it dies. by which time Im sure Logitech will have something even better i will like. I already love in comparison to the MS Keyboard mouse crap i had before

See the post 5 above yours.

NAMEk · 11-23-2012, 19:30 | posts: 181 | Location: Lithuania

Just don't support these kind of companies, there are more companies which produces good mice.

bobdude · 11-23-2012, 19:58 | posts: 1,710 | Location: AZ

wow just opening your browser your info is out there get over it people...oh don't go here or don't go there you are already out there from opening your browser...get over it or stay off the net.....simple

shadex · 11-24-2012, 21:32 | posts: 372

Why is Razer hellbent about doing it? Why do they need YOUR INFORMATION? Why are they salivating for more, more, and never ending information about YOU AND WHAT YOU DO?