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Default hissing/humming sound coming out of speakers in new build, interference? - 07-26-2013, 13:13 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

hi guys wonder if anyone can help

built a new system with 4770k and asus z87 deluxe, migrated my creative titanium hd from old pc to new one

noticed electronic whining/hissing/humming noises coming of speakers when for example dragging windows, hovering mouse over links, webpages loading etc, basically when "something is happening" if that makes any sense, my guess is interference of some sort but can't determine what, what's even more weird is that the sound is coming out of speakers but when i use my headphones problem goes away it's clean as anything

my titanium hd currently has the stock 49710 opamp replaced with robscix's metal can version and jrc211d with dip8 op2107

card is connected to a nano patch+ passive attentuator then to my pair of yamaha hs50m studio monitor

headphone is connected from the card to the jds objective amp then to my shure 1440 headphoines

this afternoon everything was still working fine on my old rig before changing my card across over to the new one...

any help would be much appreciated, this is driving me nuts lol

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Default 07-26-2013, 13:56 | posts: 4,271 | Location: Australia

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hi guys wonder if anyone can help

built a new system with 4770k and asus z87 deluxe, migrated my creative titanium hd from old pc to new one

noticed electronic whining/hissing/humming noises coming of speakers when for example dragging windows, hovering mouse over links, webpages loading etc, basically when "something is happening" if that makes any sense, my guess is interference of some sort but can't determine what, what's even more weird is that the sound is coming out of speakers but when i use my headphones problem goes away it's clean as anything

my titanium hd currently has the stock 49710 opamp replaced with robscix's metal can version and jrc211d with dip8 op2107

card is connected to a nano patch+ passive attentuator then to my pair of yamaha hs50m studio monitor

headphone is connected from the card to the jds objective amp then to my shure 1440 headphoines

this afternoon everything was still working fine on my old rig before changing my card across over to the new one...

any help would be much appreciated, this is driving me nuts lol

TIA
Check all cables, restart computer, make sure all drivers installed correctly

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Default 07-26-2013, 14:03 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

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Check all cables, restart computer, make sure all drivers installed correctly

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yea everything seems correct as far as i can see

i noticed the it's quite literally when something is happening on desktop when it makes sound, like for example i am installing a program and when the install progress bar pops up and the speaker makes extra noise as it loads, or like i said when i earler when some loads like webpage, seems like soundcard/speaker is picking up everything the computer is doing, not sure if this is making any sense lol
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 14:34 | posts: 4,271 | Location: Australia

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yea everything seems correct as far as i can see

i noticed the it's quite literally when something is happening on desktop when it makes sound, like for example i am installing a program and when the install progress bar pops up and the speaker makes extra noise as it loads, or like i said when i earler when some loads like webpage, seems like soundcard/speaker is picking up everything the computer is doing, not sure if this is making any sense lol
I have heard something like this before with my equipment, when you move the mouse, does it make the noise too? It's probably a grounding issue or could even be a computer virus Check everything.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 14:38 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

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I have heard something like this before with my equipment, when you move the mouse, does it make the noise too? It's probably a grounding issue or could even be a computer virus Check everything.
it's a brand new install with basically nothing on it and i installed avast straight away so doubt it's virus, i was just in bios before and even in there when i move mouse i can hear sound as i move mouse cursor, how do i check grounding? again i find it so weird that only the speakers are affected but the headphone is not :-/
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 15:55 | posts: 4,271 | Location: Australia

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it's a brand new install with basically nothing on it and i installed avast straight away so doubt it's virus, i was just in bios before and even in there when i move mouse i can hear sound as i move mouse cursor, how do i check grounding? again i find it so weird that only the speakers are affected but the headphone is not :-/
If u hear it in bios, It must be a hardware issue.

Check grounding by holding the cables plugged in at the soundcard, try moving them a bit and see if the noise stops. If it does, I would suggest new cables. What speakers/AV equipment are you running there?

Edit: just read, yamaha studio monitors. Well, try turning the cables a bit and see if the noise dips or stops.

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Default 07-26-2013, 15:55 | posts: 6 | Location: New York City

It's either EMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...c_interference) or Coil-whine/PSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_noise).

It can be EMI if you have things that normally arent near your computer generating alot of power.
It can be Coil-Whine if you hear a low pitched squeal, then as your video card/psu has more load put on it it sounds like a racecar lol

Im speaking from experience but it only really happened in games.

Either you'll have to replace your video card :\ or replace your power supply. I replaced my PSU

Youtube and google "Coil Whine" and see if thats what you have. =) Good luck
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 16:42 | posts: 97 | Location: plymouth

Take a hot glue gun to the coils and ground your pc chassis.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 20:59 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

thanks for the reply guys, will have to try a few things after work today (10 hours, *sigh*)

also say it is coil whine, it's a brand new corsair ax860 psu and gigabyte gtx770, if it was in fact caused by them does that mean they are faulty? also why would it only affect the speakers but not the headphone?
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 21:51 | posts: 771 | Location: USA

Another thing worth trying is to mute every input and output you're not using. Not sure if it will help but it don't hurt either
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 22:04 | posts: 6,915 | Location: Urban`Jungle

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yea everything seems correct as far as i can see

i noticed the it's quite literally when something is happening on desktop when it makes sound, like for example i am installing a program and when the install progress bar pops up and the speaker makes extra noise as it loads, or like i said when i earler when some loads like webpage, seems like soundcard/speaker is picking up everything the computer is doing, not sure if this is making any sense lol
which pcie 1x slot are you using?

Check manual and pick the one that has the least IRQ shares. Im using pcie 1x_3 slot and i didnt notice anything like that.

Also try to reinstall the latest SB driver, just overwrite it
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 22:17 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

hi Tj, i've tried the one right underneath the 2nd pci-e 16x, also the very bottom pci-e 16x (black) slot, same problems with both
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 22:35 | posts: 6,915 | Location: Urban`Jungle

And the one above gpu?


Did you disable onboard audio and gpu audio hdmi too? Also did you test the mouse in other usb ports? (first 3 black below wifi go)
   
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And the one above gpu?


Did you disable onboard audio and gpu audio hdmi too? Also did you test the mouse in other usb ports? (first 3 black below wifi go)
Can't use top one coz of the opamp I am using also the cooler is in the way

I did disable onboard audio, when you say disable hdmi audio you mean the one on video card? I did goto device manager and disable "HD audio" if that's what you meant
   
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Default 07-27-2013, 16:07 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

well some update

i tried unplugging my gpu, problem still there, so at least i can say it's not gpu

tried plugging sound card back to old pc, noticed whining/static sound too now

so makes me wonder, could it possibly be the card itself or even the cable, i am pretty sure it never used to happen in the old pc but it's happening now, also as i said earlier it only happens through the speakers but NOT through the headphones, is it correct to think that if it's coil whine or interference it should actually occur both through speakers and headphones?
   
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well some update

i tried unplugging my gpu, problem still there, so at least i can say it's not gpu

tried plugging sound card back to old pc, noticed whining/static sound too now

so makes me wonder, could it possibly be the card itself or even the cable, i am pretty sure it never used to happen in the old pc but it's happening now, also as i said earlier it only happens through the speakers but NOT through the headphones, is it correct to think that if it's coil whine or interference it should actually occur both through speakers and headphones?
Sounds like the card has something not seated properly, make sure all addons are plugged in properly and all components are installed properly.
Try putting the original components back in...
   
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Sounds like the card has something not seated properly, make sure all addons are plugged in properly and all components are installed properly.
Try putting the original components back in...
hey ragdoll, yea i tried pulling out the opamps and putting them back in, same problem, gonna try as you suggested putting the stock opamps back in later
   
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Default 07-28-2013, 04:42 | posts: 1,348 | Location: Brisbane, Australia

tried changing opamps, still no good

noticed something else tho, even when pc is off there is still a feint buzzing sound, but when i turn off the PSU completely (switch at the back) the noise is completely gone

does that extra info add anything?
   
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tried changing opamps, still no good

noticed something else tho, even when pc is off there is still a feint buzzing sound, but when i turn off the PSU completely (switch at the back) the noise is completely gone

does that extra info add anything?
PSU has to be replaced, coil whine Happened to me too, changed the psu to something else and no coil whine

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PSU has to be replaced, coil whine Happened to me too, changed the psu to something else and no coil whine

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thanks ragdoll, when u say psu has to be replaced do you mean a different unit of same model or completely different model?
   
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thanks ragdoll, when u say psu has to be replaced do you mean a different unit of same model or completely different model?
I would just try a different model just to make sure, even a different brand, although it could just be a fault in that particular one.
   
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I would just try a different model just to make sure, even a different brand, although it could just be a fault in that particular one.
hmm just on topic of coil whine, as i was asking before, shouln't it happen to both the headphones and speakers? just found it weird that the speakers are affected but headphones fine
   
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hmm just on topic of coil whine, as i was asking before, shouln't it happen to both the headphones and speakers? just found it weird that the speakers are affected but headphones fine
Well, u don't hear it with the headphones on, cos the noise is coming from the PSU
   
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purge out the sound card, take it out, use the inboard sound card, see if you can replicate the issue with the onboard soundcard.
   
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purge out the sound card, take it out, use the inboard sound card, see if you can replicate the issue with the onboard soundcard.
hey mate, just tried that

and...there was no noise!

BUT i couldn't use my yamaha speakers since it uses RCA connection, tried with onboard sound with a really old pair of pc speakers and did not hear any buzz or whine

so does that mean something is wrong with the sound card itself?
   
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