Help on AGP, ati2mtag and vendor id

[vejn]

Hi, I need help on identifying my GPU with driver. I have Sapphire HD 3650 AGP. When installing ati AGP hotfix it says:
Do you want to install drivers for ATI HD 2600 Visiontek ?
So, I click yes, otherwise I can't install driver at all.

I am wondering if this GPU id cause me problems in game Timeshift ?
Timeshift is loading shaders after cinematics and with latest drivers this screen freezes.
Is this wrong GPU id coneccted when loading shader information in game?

In Fallout 3 sometimes I get BSOD with ati2dvag message :Error initializing rendering device.

This games are playable on this card because when I installed old drivers which came on CD with a card, loading shaders went without problems and I would use this drivers but then in games I get one colored squares (yellow and red) on textures. This happens if I use old DirectX or the latest also.

As if ATI forgot to support this card, but still it can be purchased in shops.

[kevsamiga1974]

What is the version of the drivers on the CD ?

Which OS ?

Try older versions like 10.12 or 11.12 AGP drivers, search on goggle to find them that's if your current driver isn't crashing your browser aswell. Later drivers for legacy cards as you've found are complete trash and are now coded by monkeys. If you send enough peanuts with their bug report survey they just may or may not fix your outstanding issues depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Timeshift is a 2007 game so should work ok without issue unless you have an ati card and like playing with drivers more than you like playing with games.

ati2dvag.dll is a component connected with displaying video I think...(cryptic file names courtesy of ati) that's crashing

[Mr.Bad.Man.Jay]

Latest Driver 12.6 Hotfix AGP driver for All 2xxx, 3xxx, 4xxx series cards HERE

Suit's all versions of windows from XP 32bit to Win7 x64 bit

[kevsamiga1974]

And if you get missing diamond polygons, screw ups and further anomolies along with dodgy installers and simply want better performance in your games all round for your series then give these a shot...

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/hotfix/1..._32_dd_ccc.exe

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/hotfix/1..._64_dd_ccc.exe

there....all better.

[AlleyViper]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bad.Man.Jay

Latest Driver 12.6 Hotfix AGP driver for All 2xxx, 3xxx, 4xxx series cards HERE

Suit's all versions of windows from XP 32bit to Win7 x64 bit

Unfortunately they simply forgot to add specific AGP ids on that *.inf, so it'll fail to install on many AGP cards (like 9596 3600 agp series) without a PCI-E id (9598). 12.4 agp hotfix don't suffer so much from it. Going to something older like the 10.12s as recommended is also a good bet on older systems.
On this particular case, it's missing:

"%AMD9596.2%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9596

and:

AMD9596.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"

These can be replaced over any other card.

I see two possible ids for a Sapphire 3650agp, 9596 (agp) and 9598 (pci-e), the first case seems to be yours because of the conflict you point. That Visiontek 2600 also shares 9596, so the installer is going for AMD9596.1 = "VisionTek Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP" instead of AMD9596.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series" for some reason.
Simply update the driver via device manager pointing to the second repeated "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series" (if two are listed), and install the rest of the driver package via installer.

Also, take a look on the MB configs I've told you on the other thread. Most importantly, resorting to agp 4x and disabling FW on that VIA chipset.

[vejn]

Driver version on CD is : 5.13.01.3210 on win xp sp3.
With this driver shader libraries are loaded fine because this is old driver (pre 2009) when AGP was still supported. But, I get gree, red squares with it.
12.6 legacy can't be installed because ATI didn't included AGP.
From 9.xx to 12.xx drivers Witcher get me black screen , Timeshift can't load shaders,Hitman also.

I tried set agp to 4X, and otehr bios raleted to card and problem was still there.
The core problem lies in driver and directX and possible to vcredist mscrt.dll file(my guess). And now we have to wait for 2 months for next release.

[AlleyViper]

Have you also tried to mess with via agp drivers? 5.24A were the last for your KT600.

If you want to try 12.6, uncompress the installer by running it. Go to C:\AMD\Support\12-6-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\X P_INF , open the CX142837.inf at and replace the following lines:

"%AMD9598.6%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598

with

"%AMD9596.2%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9596

and lastly:

AMD9598.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"

with

AMD9596.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"

Then update via device manager (pointing to CX142837.inf), the rest of the driver (CCC, etc) can be installed with the regular setup.

[vejn]

No, the same was with VIA 5.24A.
But, thankx for this .inf hack.

OT: Is there any AGP MBO to buy theese days.

[kevsamiga1974]

Bizarre those drivers on the CD are from 2001.

Try the AGP drivers from here if it want's to find visiontek.

http://www.visiontek.com/support/downloads/drivers.html

Click products > graphics cards > Model > HD3000 series AGP > Operating System > Windows XP.

It's 120mb d/l try those...seem to be the right ones for your card (3650AGP is listed to choose as an option). If they don't still work try the Sapphire website beyond trying that I'm out of ideas.

[vejn]

Originally Posted by AlleyViper

Have you also tried to mess with via agp drivers? 5.24A were the last for your KT600.

If you want to try 12.6, uncompress the installer by running it. Go to C:\AMD\Support\12-6-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\X P_INF , open the CX142837.inf at and replace the following lines:

with


and lastly:

with


Then update via device manager (pointing to CX142837.inf), the rest of the driver (CCC, etc) can be installed with the regular setup.

I did just that and it detected 3650 AGP but on the end of installation poped message to insert CD (VIDEO) for installation

atifgl

file and some other atixx files. This didn't happend before. Theese files are on CD but instalation didn't want to install older files than required. But theese files are not on 12.6 package.
Stuff is gettting weirder and weirder.

[AlleyViper]

That's pretty weird. There's no reference to "atifgl" on 12.6's CX142837.inf, so it shouldn't be asking for it.

On the device manager you must really point to CX142837.inf by selecting to update driver manually, and then it will let you chose the file after let me pick/listing all devices/have disk. If you only point it's directory to search it won't install from that file, because it's not a certified driver. That would explain windows going for another previously installed *.inf which refers atifgl.

[vejn]

AlleyViper please take a look at theese:
I have replaced
"%AMD9598.6%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9598
with
"%AMD9596.2%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9596
and
AMD9598.6 = "ATI Radeon HD Visiontek 2600"
with
AMD9596.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
but this happens

atifglpf.xml

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aticaldd.dll

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aticalrt.dll

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aticalcl.dll

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I have done like you said but this occurs nonetheless.
This surely means there is lack in support for Sapphire 3650 AGP.

[kn00tcn]

suppose you could take those dlls (dl_s) from another package, could work

[AlleyViper]

When the setup installs drivers, what is the exact the visiontek card string, and what does gpu-z report on device id when 12.4s correctly install drivers?

[vejn]

Originally Posted by AlleyViper

When the setup installs drivers, what is the exact the visiontek card string, and what does gpu-z report on device id when 12.4s correctly install drivers?

But I have Sapphire HD 3650 AGP.
I'll post what GPU-Z tells when I come home.

[AlleyViper]

Thanks, it was just to confirm that it's a 9596 card, gpu-z should match with 1002-9596.
There's something very wrong on your screenshot. You must be using or pointing to a wrong *.inf file because with the edit I gave you on 12.6's CX142837.inf, a new 9596 "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series" should be the correct one to manually pick, not "ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP" wich shouldn't even appear, being related to some inf previously installed on your system, because that string isn't even listed on the *.inf you're trying to install (that's why it tries to pick non existent and older files listed elsewhere).

You can even call it AMD9596.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series vejn MOD" to make sure it's the line you've created, and that xp is picking the right *.inf.

[vejn]

I have figure it out. Done what you said and installed without problem, but still AGP issues with Directx and shaders in hitman Blood money, timeshift and legacy driver.
Hey, I just figured out that my chip is RV635 and not 630. Is this relevant?

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[AlleyViper]

I guess hd2600 is rv630 and hd3600 is rv635 (it was mostly a die shrink from 65 to 55nm), but having rv630 listed on the *.inf for a hd3600 device id shouldn't make a difference. It probably means rv63x series.