Will Next Gen Consoles be more powerful then PC on launch

blesner · *Last edited by blesner; 08-07-2012 at 22:02.*

Just a thought.

Wondering if my PC and modern gaming PCs in general will be second rate when the new consoles launch next year.
Must be nothing worse then having an expensive PC while our console cousins have a more powerful platform for a fraction of the price.

Will next gen console games be graphically what the PC is now or a step above?

Mr_Alexander · 08-07-2012, 21:56 | posts: 1,602 | Location: TORONTO, CANADA

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Originally Posted by blesner

Just a thought.

Wondering if my PC and PC's in general will be second rate when the new consoles launch next year.

Will next gen console games be graphically what the PC is now or a step above?

Cannot say about PC in general since some people are still have Pentium 4 or something but if we are talking about your system I think not just next generation but many generations to come will not be even close. LOL.

Pill Monster · 08-07-2012, 21:57 | posts: 20,456 | Location: NZ

Not a chance.

blesner · *Last edited by blesner; 08-07-2012 at 22:02.*

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Originally Posted by Mr_Alexander

Cannot say about PC in general since some people are still have Pentium 4 or something but if we are talking about your system I think not just next generation but many generations to come will not be even close. LOL.

Cool.
Sorry I should change that to "modern gaming PCs."

MfA · **Memory**: 4GB DDR2 1000MHz 5-5-5-15

you cant expect a 150W console to be more powerful than a 500W PC.. it's not 2005 anymore..

blesner · 08-07-2012, 22:09 | posts: 2,357 | Location: SA

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you cant expect a 150W console to be more powerful than a 500W PC.. it's not 2005 anymore..

Yeah remember that, the xbox crushed my poor PC with a 7800GT and it had one of the fist dual cores.

ricardonuno1980 · 08-07-2012, 22:14 | posts: 3,558 | Location: Carvalhos (Gaia)

No! Because XBOX 8 hasn't high-end videocard (as HD6970, HD7970...) but yes only HD66x0 while PS4 hasn't any NVIDIA videocard but yes other (new) brand videocard.

scatman839 · 08-07-2012, 22:20 | posts: 8,728 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

It'll go toe to toe with a pc for a little while, a year at best, it won't have as powerful components, but programming with a lack of OS would allow for some better looking stuff.

MrH · 08-07-2012, 22:40 | posts: 1,530 | Location: UK

Any serious gaming rig will blow it out of the water.

ObscureangelPT · 08-07-2012, 23:09 | posts: 3

I had some rumors here and there and...

Xbox8 will have a HD 6600 something like that, which i dont believe, because its too weak, anyway Sony already sayed that is not going to invest in something powerfull.

PS4 was rumored to have AMD CPU and AMD GPU too, so maybe we all will be ok

Regards

Norvekh · 08-07-2012, 23:14 | posts: 2,654 | Location: Ohio

No, because they're likely to skimp on memory yet again and try to cram in everything into what is already considered an outdated set of hardware. I'd frankly be shocked if they didn't pull more upscaling tricks like they currently do because even 1920x1080 at 30 FPS is tough to pull with pretty graphics. They'll look better than current consoles for sure but still not nearly up to par with a well-specced PC.

Neo Cyrus · **Memory**: 6GB DDR3-2000 9-9-9-24-1T

You haven't been keeping up Blesnar. These specs are almost set in stone considering orders have already been placed:

APU - AMD A8-3850 (Quad 2.9GHz) - Guru3D Review
GPU - Radeon HD 7670 (Rebranded 6670) - Guru3D Review - This is up from the original reports of a 6650, which it still might end up being

No reliable source yet about the RAM, but I expect it to be low speed DDR3 with really high timings. Not to mention it will be an extremely microscopic amount compared to what a console that lasts years would really need, that part is pretty much guaranteed especially considering everything else is below bottom-of-the-barrel. Last time it was 256MB when 4GB+ was needed, we should take bets about what it will be this time.

Oh, and no reports yet what that "7670" will have for RAM either, I expect the amount of RAM on that to be a heavy bottleneck just like before leading to absolute garbage textures and lack of filters.

In other words PCs from many years ago absolutely destroy the upcoming 2013 (or 2014?) consoles.

eclap · 08-07-2012, 23:51 | posts: 18,365 | Location: Hampshire UK

nope

Gaizokubanou · 08-08-2012, 00:00 | posts: 984

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Originally Posted by scatman839

It'll go toe to toe with a pc for a little while, a year at best, it won't have as powerful components, but programming with a lack of OS would allow for some better looking stuff.

This, and by "PC" I would clarify that as mid-high budget gaming PC.

Really high end PCs should stay clear ahead of consoles.

eclap · 08-08-2012, 00:12 | posts: 18,365 | Location: Hampshire UK

I still can's see the next gen consoles running 1080p with 4xAA/16xAF at 60fps like a good gaming PC does. so no, still nope.

scatman839 · 08-08-2012, 00:14 | posts: 8,728 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

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Originally Posted by Gaizokubanou

This, and by "PC" I would clarify that as mid-high budget gaming PC.

Really high end PCs should stay clear ahead of consoles.

clearly, but the cost for 4 graphics cards and a high end i7 extreme processor is insane and beyond many normal means

you could probably daisy chain pc's to your hearts content as well, if cost was no factor

PinguX · 08-08-2012, 00:30 | posts: 794

The rumored specs for the PS4 is an A8 3850, 6670 and 2GB ram (possibly 4GB if enough developers can convince Sony). The rumored price tag is about £200.

Will it beat a decent gaming rig ? No chance

Will it beat a £200 gaming rig ? Most likely

Fluxeor · 08-08-2012, 00:44 | posts: 216 | Location: Edinburgh

The consoles won't be close to current mid range PC's, however thier performance will be better than an identically spec'd PC system purely because thier OS and games/software will be written to take advantage of that specific setup and won't have to deal with any additional overheads.
A desktop system may not manage 1920x1080 @ 30hz with those PS4 specs, but a console may well do.

Elder III · 08-08-2012, 00:45 | posts: 1,944 | Location: Ohio

They want to be able to sell it for under $300... that means it can't have very good hardware in it by any stretch of the imagination. So, yes, it will be a big step up from current consoles, but nothing that a good quality Gaming PC from last year won't beat, let alone a good quality Gaming PC from next year when the consoles are rumored to arrive (if not a year after that).

deltatux · 08-08-2012, 01:12 | posts: 18,762 | Location: Toronto, Canada

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Originally Posted by scatman839

It'll go toe to toe with a pc for a little while, a year at best, it won't have as powerful components, but programming with a lack of OS would allow for some better looking stuff.

The XBOX 360 and PS3 both do have operating systems, but like Android and iOS, they run on very lightweight operating systems. Their firmware are just like the firmware on your routers, phones, TVs and etc. They all have an underlying operating system. Most of them are powered by Linux. iirc, XBOX 360 runs a custom Windows NT-based operating system and PS3 has their own operating system with FreeBSD code in it.

deltatux

Major Melchett · 08-08-2012, 01:17 | posts: 2,144 | Location: Manchester, UK

It terms of power not a chance, however you have to remember consoles use hardware a lot more efficiently than PC's do. I mean look at what the 360/PS3 can do with the hardware they have VS the same hardware in a PC.

Neo Cyrus · **Memory**: 6GB DDR3-2000 9-9-9-24-1T

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Originally Posted by PinguX

The rumored specs for the PS4 is an A8 3850, 6670 and 2GB ram (possibly 4GB if enough developers can convince Sony). The rumored price tag is about £200.

Please tell me you're joking, 2GB of low speed high timing RAM (most likely dual 1GB sticks) would cost literally $10-$15, to us. To Sony in bulk it would cost less.

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Originally Posted by Major Melchett

I mean look at what the 360/PS3 can do with the hardware they have VS the same hardware in a PC.

I can't tolerate playing PS3 games anymore because the great majority of them lag so horrendously below 30fps.

The fact that they're almost all 960x540 (internally stretched to 720p, rather than upscaled) doesn't help either. Cell shade style games like the Naruto ones are aliased so horrendously that the image is practically destroyed. Those simply can't be pulled off properly at 540p with no filters.

Do you know why they can't afford to use AA in almost all cases? It would take up to 10MB of RAM for 4x MSAA. They literally don't have 10MB to spare, good job Sony.

My PS3s have been collecting dust.

lucidus · 08-08-2012, 02:49 | posts: 3,147 | Location: UAE

Unlikely, they may make it a simple spec upgrade to keep the prices low at launch. doesn't mean the ports will be good at the beginning

chanw4 · 08-08-2012, 02:59 | posts: 2,010 | Location: Hong Kong

this might be the case for past console that new console is on par if not better than the 'current gen' PC on release. But the next gen console seems to be subpar in spec.

However, since console is more optimise (or rather, PC port are highly unoptimise) ppl might think the console will provide a better experience for a while.

Laykun · 08-08-2012, 03:58 | posts: 3,205 | Location: New Zealand

That's all very dependant.

First, no specs for any of the consoles have solidified and are 100% confirmed. There may, and probably will be significant changes before their release in 2013 (date isn't even fully confirmed either). So really any answer any one tries to give you is redundant as nobody knows what the final specs of the consoles will be.

Second, do you mean in terms of raw horse power or the amount eye candy they can put out in a game compared to a PC equivelant? Console games are highly optimised and you can generally get much better performance and resource utilitisation than on a PC. I think it's generally accepted that you get more visual eye candy for your amount of raw processing power on a console vs. PC.

It may turn out that console games can edge out PC games in terms of the effects they can produce at launch simply because the software engineers can better utilise the console hardware.