Continuing GTX 680 VSYNC Problems (RAGE) (Video Inside)

[Frohman0905]

Originally Posted by RedPyramid

Yeh "down for maintenance", this I've heard. I haven't heard anything about server problems though. Sounds equally hard to believe as "down for maintenance". Have you EVER heard of any forum going offline for 10 days, for maintenance?? The forum of a massive hardware company no less. Maximum 6 hours is the most I've heard of.. Smells fishy..

They are currently having a system issue, at least that's what it says when you go to their forum:

Thanks for your patience. We wanted to let you know that we recently discovered a system issue with our forums, and are working to fix them as soon as possible. The forums should be restored next week. We’ll let you know as soon as we have more information. For questions, visit us at http://www.nvidia.com/page/support.html or on Facebook

Originally Posted by undercoverb0ss

I'm using EVGA Precision for FPS monitoring, still getting frame drops with or without fan profile.

I can sit at the TF2 menu and watch it randomly drop to 59 from 60 for no reason at all.

Not even moving the cursor.

When you have a 60Hz monitor, your actual refresh rate is not 60 but 59,xx. This is why your fps sometimes "drops" to 59. I have that too with some games but it doesn't stutter at all. When you get drops to 58, 57, 56, ... like Brenduis has in his videos, then something indeed isn't right. What I find strange is that not everyone has it. Before the 304.48 driver, it was a known issue but it seems to be fixed for some of us (including me).

[undercoverb0ss]

Originally Posted by Frohman0905

They are currently having a system issue, at least that's what it says when you go to their forum:





When you have a 60Hz monitor, your actual refresh rate is not 60 but 59,xx. This is why your fps sometimes "drops" to 59. I have that too with some games but it doesn't stutter at all. When you get drops to 58, 57, 56, ... like Brenduis has in his videos, then something indeed isn't right. What I find strange is that not everyone has it. Before the 304.48 driver, it was a known issue but it seems to be fixed for some of us (including me).

It does drop to 58 as well

[Frohman0905]

Originally Posted by undercoverb0ss

It does drop to 58 as well

I just noticed you edited your post while I was typing my reply. Didn't see that.

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by Shadowdane

Hmm ok I figured out something here... I think maybe my custom fan profile in MSI Afterburner is causing the framerate drops? Maybe every time Afterburner is polling the driver or it causes a framerate drop?

I disabled the custom fan profile in Afterburner and suddenly it holds at 60fps constantly now. Only downside is my card runs slightly hotter now as the fans spin slower than I'd like.

Not sure if this is a driver issue or a problem with MSI Afterburner.

I think that is driver issue, i had same problem with 8800GT using nVidia Inspector. When i set 50%, 40% etc or more (other than default 35%) it would have impact on performance of GPU. Try with nVidia Inspector, and see if it's the same.

[Brendruis]

Originally Posted by RedPyramid

Brendruis, when I see these comments, I have to ask: have you considered the possibility that your present trouble may be related to your system? Either a problem with one of your cards, or a problem with some other component? The following is a vital test I think you should carry out: Take one of your 680s (preferably the one which is unused when you disable sli), and install it for the purposes of this test in your other machine, the one containing the 560ti. See if you kepler experience is any better. Did you buy your 680s together? Same brand?

I appreciate you trying to help, but it is a driver problem and has been confirmed by nVidia.

I prove it isn't the system earlier.. showed you guys a video of the 560 Ti.

Originally Posted by RedPyramid

wth r u talking about? who said that?

Right here: http://forums.nvidia.com

[Brendruis]

Originally Posted by Frohman0905

Before the 304.48 driver, it was a known issue but it seems to be fixed for some of us (including me).

The 304.48 fix resulted after they reproduced the problem in ME3 and Skyrim using my video actually lol

It is still a known issue nVidia has confirmed the problem in my current open bug report. I suggested they try Titan Quest because it has an isometric view you can very easily see it stutter.. this was before I discovered how bad the stuttering is in Rage, SHOGUN and Civ 5. They are working on a fix now..ManuelG even mentioned it in this thread. We have to wait and see how well it alleviates this problem.

Here's a quote from the bug report:

Originally Posted by Ray@nVidia

"Thanks for the update. We are going through each of the reported apps/benchmarks with the fix for Titan Quest to see if they are related. The hope is the fix for Titan Quest will also help these titles as well, but if not then we will investigate each as a separate bug and get them all fixed.

Thanks,
Ray "

Hopefully they don't have to go through titles one by one that would suck...by that time 700 series will be out.

[Andrew LB]

I've had my GTX 680 since about a week after it launched and have not had ANY stuttering issues regardless of my driver. I think there is some sort of software setting that is partially to blame for peoples problems.

Originally Posted by undercoverb0ss

I'm using EVGA Precision for FPS monitoring, still getting frame drops with or without fan profile.

I can sit at the TF2 menu and watch it randomly drop to 59 from 60 for no reason at all.

Not even moving the cursor.

During gameplay it will drop to 58 sometimes.

In EVGA Precision X, click settings, then the "fan" tab. At the bottom you should uncheck the option which says "force fan speed update on each period".

Also, if you are using precision for FPS monitoring in game, make sure you don't have programs like GPU-Z, nVidia Inspector, etc running in the background as well.

[Wagnard]

Originally Posted by ManuelG

Thanks. We are working on another fix at this time. Stay tuned.

You may continue to update this thread with new games which show this VSYC stutter as I can then add the games to the list of games our QA should verify the fix for.

Battlefield 3 is very easy to see. Just strafe left or right at a wall. You will notice it will skip a frame. I may skip +- 5 time a minutes if not more...

Also , not too sure, I think this is not only related to Keepler cards. I think this happened too with my old GTX 295. (cant test now because I sold it).

With the game SMITE (closed beta)

The stutter in my case only happen when playing in FullScreen mode.
Windowed mode is not affected. (solid 60fps)

[Fusion_XT]

Originally Posted by sykozis

Some can't stand to play without it....of course, why go multi-gpu if you're going to use v-sync? Doesn't that sorta defeat the purpose of multi-gpu??

Clueless ..

120Hz V-sync'd SLI @ 100-120FPS ... Smoothness heaven!.

''People with 120Hz monitors will agree''

[Brendruis]

Originally Posted by Fusion_XT

Clueless ..

120Hz V-sync'd SLI @ 100-120FPS ... Smoothness heaven!.

''People with 120Hz monitors will agree''

I have a 120Hz monitor and I started this thread. Try playing CS:S bot match a game which gets 1000fps and turn on VSYNC...watch it STRUGGLE to stay in sync at 120Hz!

[SrengthOfLength]

Originally Posted by Wagnard

Battlefield 3 is very easy to see. Just strafe left or right at a wall. You will notice it will skip a frame. I may skip +- 5 time a minutes if not more...

Also , not too sure, I think this is not only related to Keepler cards. I think this happened too with my old GTX 295. (cant test now because I sold it).

With the game SMITE (closed beta)

The stutter in my case only happen when playing in FullScreen mode.
Windowed mode is not affected. (solid 60fps)

In Battlefield 3 have you tried the setting Gametime.MAXVariableFPS 60 ?

If not, do, and be sure to disable all third party frame limiters.

Oh and this is assuming you are using vsync @ 60hz

[Niabureth]

Originally Posted by Brendruis

I have a 120Hz monitor and I started this thread. Try playing CS:S bot match a game which gets 1000fps and turn on VSYNC...watch it STRUGGLE to stay in sync at 120Hz!

He's is trying to explain V-sync to the guy that didn't understand it. Plus he is using dual GTX480's which simply doesn't have the problem.

[Ashtyr]

In my case terrible stutter in skyrim, even with 3.48 drivers, less but stutter.
Installed Nvida Inspector, forced Vsync and frame limiter set to 60 fixed the stutter for the most part.

I ve played shogun that way too, and zero stutter .
The same on BF3 no stutter

Sorry for my english

[Wagnard]

Originally Posted by SrengthOfLength

In Battlefield 3 have you tried the setting Gametime.MAXVariableFPS 60 ?

If not, do, and be sure to disable all third party frame limiters.

Oh and this is assuming you are using vsync @ 60hz

Yep that helped a lot for BF3.
I wonder if this is necessary for AMD users too.

anyway it do stutter a little bit but its far less annoying.


EDIT : This drivers : (304.92) Fixed the Vsync stutter problem on my GTX 690. at least on the game SMITE.

BF3 still sutter if I dont use the console command.

[Mikcannon]

FYI
I just played Rage for half an hour maxed with vsync on.
Seemed to be a constant 60 FPS and no stuttering.
Driver is 401.42.


Where the hell did 401 come from????

I meant 301.42

[HeavyHemi]

Edit...NVM

[Brendruis]

Now Syndicate is my game of choice to reproduce the problem.. I think it shows the problem better than RAGE because RAGE has a few inherent issues of its own

Syndicate on a single GPU = frequent stutters on max performance mode using a controller to pan the camera 360 degrees... any area.. 60 FPS limiter helps to relieve the issue SOME but does not fix, and SLI helps further to resolve but there is some microstuttering there.

[Wagnard]

Give 304.92 a shot. it helped me with others games

[Wagnard]

Add dungeon defenders to the problematic games.

[VultureX]

So has anyone tried something as simple as setting Power management Mode from 'Adaptive' to 'Prefer maximum performance' in the driver control panel?

It fixed all my stutter issues.

EDIT:
I'm thinking it has something to do with this new Turbo boost feature or clock throttling in general. I've observed that in comparison to old Fermi cards, this card throttles a lot in rapid succession. Especially in Adaptive mode. It still throttles in Maximum performance mode, because of that boost feature. It might have something to do with that algorithm not detecting properly when should be downclocked, so you get these little hitches that occur when the driver decides to downclock in order to save performance or power while it actually shouldn't (is not able to maintain that 60FPS at lower clock). It's just a theory, I can't prove it, though.

[xenphor]

I just got a 680 gtx, up from a gtx 670 and I tested Rage with FRAPS and was able to maintain 60, unlike in the video. However, now that I'm playing Diablo 3, I notice some massive stuttering with vsync. I've tried with vsync off and the problem seems to be alleviated somewhat but then I definitely don't want to play with vsync off. I've tried turning off ambient occlusion and threaded optimization but nothing changed much. I even get stuttering in the ingame cut scenes.

edit: I tried battlefield 3 and get framedrops when after the level loads but it seems to stabilize after. One thing I've noticed though is that there is some massive input lag with vsync on... too bad.

[Spets]

Originally Posted by xenphor

I just got a 680 gtx, up from a gtx 670 and I tested Rage with FRAPS and was able to maintain 60, unlike in the video. However, now that I'm playing Diablo 3, I notice some massive stuttering with vsync. I've tried with vsync off and the problem seems to be alleviated somewhat but then I definitely don't want to play with vsync off. I've tried turning off ambient occlusion and threaded optimization but nothing changed much. I even get stuttering in the ingame cut scenes.

edit: I tried battlefield 3 and get framedrops when after the level loads but it seems to stabilize after. One thing I've noticed though is that there is some massive input lag with vsync on... too bad.

With D3, turn off all the ingame frame limiting and v-sync options, it's really buggy. Either than that you better hope you get connected to a decent server

[Destral]

Not sure if anybody suggested this here or not yet as I kinda just browsed through quickly. Do you have Windows Aero disabled? I got a 680 last week and I was having terrible screen tearing in everything including YouTube videos, turns out the cause was me having disabled Aero. Not sure if this applies to you but I can only hope your issue is that simple! I'm currently playing a waiting game for some new drivers so my FPS in Guild Wars 2 becomes more stable.

[yobooh]

Originally Posted by ManuelG

Thanks. We are working on another fix at this time. Stay tuned.

You may continue to update this thread with new games which show this VSYC stutter as I can then add the games to the list of games our QA should verify the fix for.

I'm sure in Windows 8 the problem it's even more evident in a bunch of titles also on GTX580! I'll prefer a bit of imput lag more but a perfect and stable VSYNC. I have some sporadic stuttering and persistent micro-stutters

Game tested so far: Diablo3, Civilization V, Darksiders 2, Max Payne 3 (vsink@30)
I'm sure i do more than 60fps in all game with Vsync off, and +30 in MaxPayne
Driver used 306.02

[Wagnard]

They didnt fix windows 8 at all. Games that do not stutter anymore in win7 still stutter in windows 8. And win 8 is not the culprit imo , because when I test with another card, no problem.