intel i3 vs AMD FX-4100

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by ---TK---

these benches are what the op should be looking at. that fx4100 looks dreadful in gaming and shouldnt be recommended. get an i3 with hyperthreading op

And make big mistake , will see similar bench in next year and where is i3 there... But this is good, few dif. opinions will make OP to choose better.

[---TK---]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

That's true, if you look at numbers only. But older games are quite sensitive to whole platform, and i can confirm that newer Intel platforms do not do well in that cases, only reason for that is because Intel drop backward compatibility, AMD on the other hand have so much options more for CPU (and platform) so you can do it in few steps if something is a problem, again it depends on game ofc. there is win here , lost there, but general current AMD CPU's are very good for that compared to i series. But, whole thing is not relevant for few percents, but for overall performance per price ofc.

can you please elaborate on this?

[IcE]

Originally Posted by Chillin

I really don't understand what you are getting at. The whole point is to find the most stressful scenes/places in the game and use those as benchmarks; if the card can play those areas then it can play any other.

No, the point of a benchmark is to give prospective buyers an idea of the average performance of the processor they're considering. Benches like that give the average gamer the idea that you have to have at least a 2500K to even get 50fps average in the game.

You and me know better of course, but that's all I'm saying.

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by ---TK---

can you please elaborate on this?

Yes i can, playing one game on i platform with well over 100FPS, and playing on old AMD platform with barely 3x FPS, and game is much smoother on AMD system. Only to find out that this have something to do with cores, memory and whole platform in general, and you can't solve it. Again, it all depends on that how you play game (example, using v-sync or not), v-sync will solve it (not entirely) but that have more relation to GPU solving problem that platform makes.

I would really like for you to look at those bench with FX-4170 included, and that's why i never recommended 4100 CPU nor i3.

[mr_scarface]

microcenter is in store only. which sucks cause the i5 is going so cheap there

if i can find a cheaper i5 around here, i dont care if its not a 2500k id buy it

[Pill Monster]

Originally Posted by Agent-A01

sorry bud, but i know for a fact you dont get 60fps minimum everywhere. I drop down to 50 fps in a specific place in markarth(the only place that happens). yours would probably be much lower, im sure tomshardware did a place like markarth or some other city.

I get a min 60fps and I had to cap it at 85fps using MSI AB, otherwise it would shoot over 100 in some parts. I'm only using 4xAA remember.

As you say, there may be one area where fps is low for everyone but I haven't been to this spot yet although I've prob completed 85% of the map.

I stopped playing Skrim in favour of ME1/2/3 (playing ME3 right now)....


Where in Markath is the low fps bit? I'll go there next time I run Skyrim...

[---TK---]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

Yes i can, playing one game on i platform with well over 100FPS, and playing on old AMD platform with barely 3x FPS, and game is much smoother on AMD system. Only to find out that this have something to do with cores, memory and whole platform in general, and you can't solve it. Again, it all depends on that how you play game (example, using v-sync or not), v-sync will solve it (not entirely) but that have more relation to GPU solving problem that platform makes.

I would really like for you to look at those bench with FX-4170 included, and that's why i never recommended 4100 CPU nor i3.

please show some links proving this man. saying it 2x is not enough

[Agent-A01]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

That's true, if you look at numbers only. But older games are quite sensitive to whole platform, and i can confirm that newer Intel platforms do not do well in that cases, only reason for that is because Intel drop backward compatibility, AMD on the other hand have so much options more for CPU (and platform) so you can do it in few steps if something is a problem, again it depends on game ofc. there is win here , lost there, but general current AMD CPU's are very good for that compared to i series. But, whole thing is not relevant for few percents, but for overall performance per price ofc.

no offense but i dont understand what you are trying to say and seems you are just rambling. i3 is faster than amd for gaming and that is a fact.

an i3 2120 is $125 and the FX4170 is $140. The i3 is faster AND cheaper, what are you getting at?

[Agent-A01]

Originally Posted by Pill Monster

Where in Markath is the low fps bit? I'll go there next time I run Skyrim...

uhm close to the waterfall somewhere looking towards the divines temple or w/e u call it on top of the hill. ill see if i can find the specific spot.

now i dunno about u but my gpu usage is low, usually 30-40% spikes to 50% at times. i use 8xMSAA and 8xSSAA and at that spot my cpu usage spikes in markarth

[---TK---]

Originally Posted by mr_scarface

microcenter is in store only. which sucks cause the i5 is going so cheap there

if i can find a cheaper i5 around here, i dont care if its not a 2500k id buy it

sorry bro this thread got derailed. lol what is your budget? you could always go for an i3 but get a z77, z68, p67 m/b so you could pop in a 2500k, 3570k at a later date to oc

[Pill Monster]

Can't remember what my GPU load is like in Skyrim, I'm playing ME3 as we speak and it's sitting at 100% most of the time, CPU is about 40%.......75fps constant (capped).

Iirc my cpu acts weird in Skyrim...only uses like 2 cores or somthing I forget.

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by Agent-A01

no offense but i dont understand what you are trying to say and seems you are just rambling. i3 is faster than amd for gaming and that is a fact.

an i3 2120 is $125 and the FX4170 is $140. The i3 is faster AND cheaper, what are you getting at?

Intel i5-2550k = 235e (27000 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 6180
AMD FX-4170 = 136e (15700 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4733
Intel i3-2130 = 148e (17000 RSD). 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4286
Intel i3-2120 = 123e (14200 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4164
AMD DX-4100 = 116e (13300 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4054

I don't know from where did you put out that i3 2120 is faster then FX 4170? It's far behind it in fact, cheaper it is, whole platform is more expensive thought.

[Agent-A01]

Originally Posted by Pill Monster

Can't remember what my GPU load is like in Skyrim, I'm playing ME3 as we speak and it's sitting at 100% most of the time, CPU is about 40%.......75fps constant (capped).

Iirc my cpu acts weird in Skyrim...only uses like 2 cores or somthing I forget.

i havent been playing either. to busy with tribes ascend.

anyways heres the area. fast travel to understone keep walk to the stairs and turn around. my fps was 49 in the pic. theres no way u can have 60fps min here lol

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by ---TK---

please show some links proving this man. saying it 2x is not enough

There you go... http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,6.html

[---TK---]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

Intel i5-2550k = 235e (27000 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 6180
AMD FX-4170 = 136e (15700 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4733
Intel i3-2130 = 148e (17000 RSD). 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4286
Intel i3-2120 = 123e (14200 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4164
AMD DX-4100 = 116e (13300 RSD), 3DMark 06 CPU score - 4054

I don't know from where did you put out that i3 2120 is faster then FX 4170? It's far behind it in fact, cheaper it is, whole platform is more expensive thought.

dude stop right there the op is in the USA. and a 3d mark 06 score? what about something more modern like 11? the i3 is cheaper than that fx here and it is faster. show me where the i3 is far behind?

[mr_scarface]

Originally Posted by ---TK---

sorry bro this thread got derailed. lol what is your budget? you could always go for an i3 but get a z77, z68, p67 m/b so you could pop in a 2500k, 3570k at a later date to oc

its ok, as long as a convo is going and its not people flaming each other

my budget is about 250-300 i was supposed to have more but i have to move later in the summer.

that was my idea too. get a i3 and then a i5 maybe at the end of the year.

http://www.compusa.com/ can you link me to a good one in this site? i can pick them up at the store because its very close to me.

[tweakpower]

Originally Posted by ---TK---

dude stop right there the op is in the USA. and a 3d mark 06 score? what about something more modern like 11? the i3 is cheaper than that fx here and it is faster. show me where the i3 is far behind?

Where is i3 here? http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,6.html

Are you going to tell me that 200+ euros/$ more is worth few FPS more?? Then God bless you "dude", as long as you are healthy I'm happy

[Agent-A01]

Originally Posted by mr_scarface

its ok, as long as a convo is going and its not people flaming each other

my budget is about 250-300 i was supposed to have more but i have to move later in the summer.

that was my idea too. get a i3 and then a i5 maybe at the end of the year.

http://www.compusa.com/ can you link me to a good one in this site? i can pick them up at the store because its very close to me.

http://www.compusa.com/applications/...299&CatId=6983

and

http://www.compusa.com/applications/...887&CatId=6976

then u can upgrade to i5 3570 when u want. itll blow any FX cpu out of the water,

oops. forgot u need ram. ah i always get gskill so not sure about ram.

[---TK---]

http://www.compusa.com/applications/...299&CatId=6983
http://www.compusa.com/applications/...888&CatId=6976
http://www.compusa.com/applications/...737&CatId=4534
something like that not too sure on the memory as I buy gskill

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

Where is i3 here? http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,6.html

Are you going to tell me that 200+ euros/$ more is worth few FPS more?? Then God bless you "dude", as long as you are healthy I'm happy

You can't really go into this argument due to the law of diminishing returns.

By that logic why go with any graphics card other than the integrated one's since all you are going to get is a few FPS for a lot more money.

The other problem is that the i3-21xx is cheaper than the FX-4xxx but is faster than it.

[Pill Monster]

Originally Posted by tweakpower

Where is i3 here? http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,6.html

Are you going to tell me that 200+ euros/$ more is worth few FPS more?? Then God bless you "dude", as long as you are healthy I'm happy

Um dude there's no i3 in there....

[---TK---]

dont think he knows what hes talking about tbh lol
time to clear this thread up via ignore

[Pill Monster]

Think he means the i5 750/i7 920...

Wait wtf - an X4 980 beats a 2600K? for real?

edit. something is wrong with those benches, all the cpu's hit the wall at about 105fps.

[---TK---]

Originally Posted by Pill Monster

Think he means the i5 750/i7 920...

Wait wtf - an X4 980 beats a 2600K? for real?

idk if thats review is trustworthy or not but its possible no doubt

[mr_scarface]

http://www.compusa.com/applications/...261&CatId=6975 this board no good?