Why Windows 8 will wreck what Microsoft has built for the mainstream audience. - Page 3

Nato.dbnz · 06-14-2012, 22:21 | posts: 3,255 | Location: Auckland NZ

Not sure why everybody is crying about a missing start menu. Ever since Windows 7 and SSD's were introduced the fastest way to get to anything you don't already have pinned to the task bar is to hit windows key and search for it. I'm sure it'll be the same for Windows 8. (I've never used it though so if this is wrong somebody can set me straight).

N.O.U.G.N. · 06-14-2012, 23:08 | posts: 192 | Location: Internetz

Oh the drama! I, like almost everyone else, has hated on M$ for one reason or another over the years over it's OS or XBOX. However, I like Windows 8. I was able to play Batman AC and a bunch of other games. Any issues I had weren't OS related.

I wasn't not able to install Autodesk Maya 2012 in Win8 DP due .NET 3.5 needing to be installed but that was fixed in Win8 CP. I can use VMware.

Now that I think about it I really won't be missing that Start menu at all; I don't use a lot of desktop Icons; You can pin stuff the task bar; you can group Icons in the Metro menu. You can even uninstall metro apps. under the hood Win8 is very much Win7.

LOL I did notice that Gmail looks all jacked-up in IE10 wonder if that's intentional LOL... also Silverlight crashes Chrome when I try to attach a file in Hotmail sometimes, Interesting.

A basic summery of my feeling of Windows 8: http://colbertbump.ytmnd.com/

Order_66 · 06-15-2012, 05:05 | posts: 129 | Location: Barberton, Ohio

I've never really hated microsoft, I think they are dishonest, anti-competitive and extremely arrogant but I love many of their products.
But after trying all of the releases of windows 8 I can only come to the conclusion that they genuinely hate their customers with a passion and are trying to force the common desktop out of the picture altogether.
The desktop version of "8" is pure abomination from beginning to end, and that's fine, microsoft have a couple of miserable failures under their belt already (vista/Me) nothing wrong with having another one, they are certainly not hurting for money and can easily absorb the loss.

But what really irked me the most about "8" was their arrogance, "metro" is obviously designed with touch screen devices in mind, so be it, whatever, but don't try to *force* your flawed visions of "metro" onto desktop users by not giving them a choice of booting into "metro" or booting into a normal and usable desktop during the initial boot of the pc.
So I'm sure there will be hacks available to circumvent the horrid "metro" interface and to even add the regular start menu back in, or so we thought.
Now microsoft in all their arrogance have begun to strip legacy code from "8" to prevent anyone from bypassing "metro".
Microsoft have received a ton of negative press and very little positive press regarding "metro" since it's initial inception in the first preview of "8".
You would think if most people don't want "metro", and they have made it very clear that they don't want "metro", microsoft would listen to their customers and at least find a happy medium or throw "metro" out altogether.
No, if you want to use "8" you must conform to our heavily flawed vision of forcing a touch screen interface onto your desktop.
The egos in Redmond are larger than the entire state of Washington.

If you don't like "8" then you just don't like change - false, change is great if it's for the better but with "metro" it's obviously for the worse.
But "metro" is the future - false, seeing into the future is not possible, you can only predict the future, and I predict "8" will fail.
You just hate microsoft - false, I love 7, I also loved XP, NT4 and 2000 when I used them.

I will be on windows 7 for a very long time.

adabiviak · 06-15-2012, 06:07 | posts: 569 | Location: California

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Originally Posted by Nato.dbnz

Not sure why everybody is crying about a missing start menu. Ever since Windows 7 and SSD's were introduced the fastest way to get to anything you don't already have pinned to the task bar is to hit windows key and search for it. I'm sure it'll be the same for Windows 8. (I've never used it though so if this is wrong somebody can set me straight).

Nope - the fastest way is with a well maintained start menu. I can get to around 20 shortcuts (documents, programs, whatever) with two key strokes, hundreds in three. You can't do that with the start/search that came with 7. This is even faster than a command line... I'm not even sure if it's possible to get to this many shortcuts in so few key strokes any faster? I'm not talking about the 'keyboard shortcut' that's built into the shortcut properties dialog box - that was invariably slower than the start menu, prone to screwing up, and was hampered by coincidence with other keyboard shortcuts.

Please, if anyone knows of a faster/easier way to exercise this many shortcuts within 2-3 keystrokes, do tell. Until then, you can pull the classic start menu from my cold dead hands.

Darren Hodgson · 06-15-2012, 10:54 | posts: 10,022 | Location: England

I absolutely hate the interface on my Xbox 360 and like the look of Metro even more so I won't be trying Windows 8 never mind buying it. I get the sense that it will be the next Me/Vista anyway and that Windows 7 will go on to be as popular and enduring as Windows XP was (is?).

Of course, Microsoft isn't forcing us to upgrade anyway; as far as I know there are no exclusive games, DirectX or applications that will run only on Windows 8. Windows 7 will no doubt be supported for at least the next five years too so the doubters can hold out for Windows 9 instead. For now, I'm happy to ignore Windows 8 and for the first time since I've owned a PC I won't be pre-ordering a new version of Windows.

Fender178 · 06-15-2012, 13:41 | posts: 457 | Location: Pennsylvania

Or Windows 7 will be supported as many years as Windows Xp for business purposes because I cannot see businesspeople using Windows 8.

Datagg3 · 06-17-2012, 23:20 | posts: 1,801 | Location: AZ

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Originally Posted by IPlayNaked

You know why Microsoft doesn't listen to the "consumers"

Because you all got it wrong with Vista too. Everyone bitched, and that was a fine OS. Drivers were the problem, not the OS, but all you "tech nerds" (read: People who browse forums and have literally no clue what they're talking about) trashed it everyday cause you heard someone else do it.

And now, once again, people jump on the bandwagon to **** on Windows 8. Guess what? Don't upgrade to it. Doesn't bother anyone involved one bit if you just keep using Windows 7, just like it doesn't bother anyone that some people are still screwing around on a vastly inferior Windows XP.

Had to comment on this one. WELL SAID!!! Bitch, Bitch ,Bitch , Bitch, every new OS, every new peripheral, same thing different day...... We all expect it though, its the propaganda of the haters, or the band followers that need to choose a leader to feel worthy... You want to keep XP, so be it, You want to keep 7, so be it, i could give a frogs fat ass what you want... Just try to not bitch about every new thing that comes along... i for one am sick of it as im sure others are also.

Corrupt^ · 06-18-2012, 02:14 | posts: 4,830 | Location: Belgium

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Originally Posted by ice445

So basically the same thing that was going to happen with every Windows release ever.

If we follow MS's pattern, Windows 9 is going to be great.

KEZZA · 06-18-2012, 13:31 | posts: 301 | Location: australia

how much fun would windows 8 be on a 27 " touchscreen desktop? would be fun for about ten minutes.

Oh ands its Ugly.

vbetts · 06-18-2012, 15:38 | posts: 10,243 | Location: Toledo Ohio

Windows 7 still really isn't all that big in the business world even. Only times it's really used, is when companies upgrade their machines to newer machines, and even then some of them don't even keep Windows 7. At Radioshack, we use Windows POS based off of Windows XP, and these are brand new machines too.

But Windows 8 right now isn't going to really wreck anything, the biggest problems people had with older Windows systems like Vista or ME, is compatibility and stability issues. Windows 8 so far from just previews, isn't showing anything like that thankfully. Only difference is a visual difference. I love the idea of Live integration in the OS, but Microsoft needs to push it more from both consumer and business views. A business computer isn't going to need access to his Xbox live profile. A consumer computer isn't going to need access to excel(most of the time) or other business tools.

Corrupt^ · 06-18-2012, 18:33 | posts: 4,830 | Location: Belgium

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Originally Posted by vbetts

Windows 7 still really isn't all that big in the business world even. Only times it's really used, is when companies upgrade their machines to newer machines, and even then some of them don't even keep Windows 7. At Radioshack, we use Windows POS based off of Windows XP, and these are brand new machines too.

Upgrade costs need to be taken into account. The ISP I'm working for is working on a plan to upgrade it all to Windows 7, but it takes time. Currently Analysts and what not are working on it, since they need to upgrade 1000's of computers.

sykozis · 06-18-2012, 23:52 | posts: 13,628 | Location: US East Coast

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Originally Posted by Datagg3

Had to comment on this one. WELL SAID!!! Bitch, Bitch ,Bitch , Bitch, every new OS, every new peripheral, same thing different day...... We all expect it though, its the propaganda of the haters, or the band followers that need to choose a leader to feel worthy... You want to keep XP, so be it, You want to keep 7, so be it, i could give a frogs fat ass what you want... Just try to not bitch about every new thing that comes along... i for one am sick of it as im sure others are also.

QFT....

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Originally Posted by vbetts

But Windows 8 right now isn't going to really wreck anything, the biggest problems people had with older Windows systems like Vista or ME, is compatibility and stability issues.

I don't get what stability problems people complain about with ME or Vista. I had vastly more stability issues with XP than I did with ME and Vista combined. At release, XP was one of the most unstable Windows versions ever released. Wasn't until SP1 that XP was finally stable.

Datagg3 · *Last edited by Datagg3; 06-19-2012 at 04:39.*

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Originally Posted by Datagg3
Had to comment on this one. WELL SAID!!! Bitch, Bitch ,Bitch , Bitch, every new OS, every new peripheral, same thing different day...... We all expect it though, its the propaganda of the haters, or the band followers that need to choose a leader to feel worthy... You want to keep XP, so be it, You want to keep 7, so be it, i could give a frogs fat ass what you want... Just try to not bitch about every new thing that comes along... i for one am sick of it as im sure others are also.

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Originally Posted by sykozis

QFT....

Quantum Field Theory? ,LOL..... Glad you agree, after I wrote that I figured there would be a lynch mob of "I don't do that" peeps after me.

sykozis · 06-19-2012, 05:04 | posts: 13,628 | Location: US East Coast

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Originally Posted by Datagg3

Quantum Field Theory? ,LOL..... Glad you agree, after I wrote that I figured there would be a lynch mob of "I don't do that" peeps after me.

Don't worry....the lynch mob eventually comes after anyone that posts showing any type fo support for Win8....as pathetic as it's getting... Some just can't accept that there are people ready for a major change...

Datagg3 · 06-19-2012, 07:20 | posts: 1,801 | Location: AZ

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Originally Posted by sykozis

don't worry....the lynch mob eventually comes after anyone that posts showing any type fo support for win8....as pathetic as it's getting... Some just can't accept that there are people ready for a major change...

qft...

Arctucas · 06-19-2012, 21:58 | posts: 1,753

I am in no way opposed to change, especially if it benefits me.

However, when it detracts from my overall 'user experience', then I tend to ignore it and choose to wait until something I find to be useful comes along.

sykozis · 06-19-2012, 23:35 | posts: 13,628 | Location: US East Coast

I fail to see where it detracts from the overall user experience....

Arctucas · 06-19-2012, 23:42 | posts: 1,753

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Originally Posted by sykozis

I fail to see where it detracts from the overall user experience....

And that is why you will buy it and use it.

I, on the other hand, find it counter-intuitive and less functional than previous versions.

sykozis · 06-20-2012, 00:00 | posts: 13,628 | Location: US East Coast

Actually, I'll be dualbooting Win7/Linux if someone ever figures out a way to get Diablo3 running in 64bit linux.

killer_939 · *Last edited by killer_939; 06-21-2012 at 08:53.*

I tried windows 8 and not having the start menu didn't bother me too much since i don't really use it these days but metro did get in the way a bit and made me want to pull out an ancient pre 95 keyboard that doesn't have a start button to break the habit of pressing it.. I found it just like 7 to use mostly other then the missing start menu. I didn't really try metro since it was annoying. I tested MPC, Foobar2000, firefox and all my codec packs and they worked so other when not having the start menu it wasn't really different at all for me. Go to folder on network, click what i want to play and enjoy.. Or surf net in firefox exactly the same as 7..

I didn't test when i had it installed but would it be possible to make folders on the task bar like i have done in windows 7?

I hope they fix the location of the shutdown button and add windowed versions of the some of the settings panels it goes into metro for randomly for as those things really seem out of place on a PC where things are meant to be in windows and not full screen.. x.x

One thing i don't get is how its meant to be simpler.. I found in metro video player it didn't pick up MKV's so i couldn't play 99% of my video in it and the music player didn't pick up FLAC so no music.. I also found it forced me to do stuff like hit windows key + e to open my computer to get to the network etc but most people don't really know these shortcuts and still use the start menu so it would be much much harder for new people using windows i think.

I really like the new task manager, about time they changed it.

By far the worst part would be when i opened the music player in metro it auto brought up random pictures from the web of justin bieber and my sister walked out of the shower at the same time and looked at me weird..

rogue221979 · *Last edited by rogue221979; 06-29-2012 at 23:23.*

I'd use linux if I could get all my games to play on it with no issues. The only reason I use windows.

I really wish devolpers would cross platform with other OS, but every game is windows only, or only has Linux servers.

I enjoy Linux, very easy to use and matches with my android perfectly, but when I want to play skyrim or BF3 its back to windows.

As for windows 8, I wouldn't mind something new. I use the start button alot, but I'm willing to try change.

g-man.357 · 07-05-2012, 01:10 | posts: 268 | Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

From a business standpoint...

Computers are tools. Just imagine spending the money on new operating systems and then needing to train every single employee on how to use them. People where I work had a difficult time switching from xp to Vista or 7. I don't care how cheap Microsoft makes it, a drastic change in ui is too inefficient to be cost effective when windows 7 isn't broken.

On a personal note...

I would love it if Microsoft would release operating systems more often and at lower prices. Instead of service packs, maybe they would be more willing to make drastic changes that could be improved upon or even removed at more regular intervals, without users being afraid to spend their money on something they may or may not like. At the heart of it, I use windows because I use programs made for windows. I would love to love an operating system, but windows 7 or 8 or anything else is only good as long as I get to use the software I want to use.

yelsewshane · 07-05-2012, 05:04 | posts: 1,470

Guys & Gals there is a simple solution to all of this !!! Use microsoft windows to play games and Linux for everything else :-) Just duel boot your system it's a no brainer geez

lucidus · 07-05-2012, 05:31 | posts: 3,526 | Location: UAE

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Originally Posted by yelsewshane

Guys & Gals there is a simple solution to all of this !!! Use microsoft windows to play games and Linux for everything else :-) Just duel boot your system it's a no brainer geez

http://youtu.be/1EAQiEzUA0k?t=9s

rl66 · 07-08-2012, 12:52 | posts: 335 | Location: France

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Originally Posted by Datagg3

Had to comment on this one. WELL SAID!!! Bitch, Bitch ,Bitch , Bitch, every new OS, every new peripheral, same thing different day...... We all expect it though, its the propaganda of the haters, or the band followers that need to choose a leader to feel worthy... You want to keep XP, so be it, You want to keep 7, so be it, i could give a frogs fat ass what you want... Just try to not bitch about every new thing that comes along... i for one am sick of it as im sure others are also.

not at all, as betatester for M$ at this moment 7 was in test before Vista come alive, vista was made because XP was looking "obsolete" compared to all other OS that was made at this time (new linux desktop, new iOs etc...)...

in one world 7 should have been next to XP but wasn't ready... and so vista come with all kind of bug, not only drivers one.

about 8 it's another problem, the inside of the OS is fairly good (despite all the bug due to the fact it's a youg OS), but the GUI **** everything, the problem is that i don't want to use my desktop as my smartphone (considerating that windows phone 7 is a major failure, here nearly all operator have given up with it, concentrate on iOS, Android and even Bada, and windows phone 8 seem to follow the way to failure too).

So yes i sadly guess that w8 will be a faill